The Wire (Revisted)

[S2J]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

Mouzone probably wasn't going to get Stringer without Avon's blessing but Omar would have still been gunning for him so Stringer would have died anyway. He really didn't have an option, Avon's a career drug dealer and didn't care about anything else and Mouzone had the tools to bury his business so there was no other options for him other than to give Stringer up.

 

[S2J]

Mouzone probably wasn't going to get Stringer without Avon's blessing but Omar would have still been gunning for him so Stringer would have died anyway. He really didn't have an option, Avon's a career drug dealer and didn't care about anything else and Mouzone had the tools to bury his business so there was no other options for him other than to give Stringer up.

Lol I think its just a matter of semantics. You just described it to a tee, but that IS an option. Regardless of good or bad 1 or the other may be, they're choices.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Mouzone probably wasn't going to get Stringer without Avon's blessing but Omar would have still been gunning for him so Stringer would have died anyway. He really didn't have an option, Avon's a career drug dealer and didn't care about anything else and Mouzone had the tools to bury his business so there was no other options for him other than to give Stringer up.

Lol I think its just a matter of semantics. You just described it to a tee, but that IS an option. Regardless of good or bad 1 or the other may be, they're choices.

but if a dealer an thats all he knows....why or how can he have any other option

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

Nobody is really arguing against that. The problem is you're oversimplifying things. Even with this clip, you're ignoring the part where the help Avon got wasn't just in the form of drugs and money. It was also manpower and muscle when he needed it. The point is it wasn't just Avon choosing money over an innocent Stringer. It was Avon choosing a future in the only business he knew over a Stringer who had brought all of this down on himself.

 

[S2J]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

Again, again, again...im not arguing which option he chose to take, im pointing out that that he did have an option.

And yes, he did set him up. You have to pay attention to detail. That 1 split second reaction of him verifying where Stringer was gonna be at was meant to give that to you. Again, they not gone feed everything to you.

I.e when String met with Bunk, even with all that dialogue, some nggas NEED to see him physically give him the piece of paper to come to the conclusion 'damn he snitched'....People who pay attention can take the cues from the direction of the scene, the scenes prior, the facial expressions, etc all of that and know whats goin on. Im not callin you slow...lol but with shows that are deep like this some people just dont get shyt thats not explicitly said.

Avon 'gave them the drop' on Stringer. Thts the street terminology for it. That was the purpose of him checkin his schedule. Maybe the problem is yall dont actually remember what im talkin about.

@ 2:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CpbRq9Tiw

Avon- what time you gon be there

Stringer- *suprised, caght off guard Avon clockin him* Uhh, 12, why you need me do somethin

Avon-Nah, just seein wehre you gon be at

*camera pans to both of their body language*

What i gotta put it in subtitles or sumthn?' cmon man yall nggas aint no fans lol Pay attention

 

[Dupac]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

Again, again, again...im not arguing which option he chose to take, im pointing out that that he did have an option.

And yes, he did set him up. You have to pay attention to detail. That 1 split second reaction of him verifying where Stringer was gonna be at was meant to give that to you. Again, they not gone feed everything to you.

I.e when String met with Bunk, even with all that dialogue, some nggas NEED to see him physically give him the piece of paper to come to the conclusion 'damn he snitched'....People who pay attention can take the cues from the direction of the scene, the scenes prior, the facial expressions, etc all of that and know whats goin on. Im not callin you slow...lol but with shows that are deep like this some people just dont get shyt thats not explicitly said.

Avon 'gave them the drop' on Stringer. Thts the street terminology for it. That was the purpose of him checkin his schedule. Maybe the problem is yall dont actually remember what im talkin about.

@ 2:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CpbRq9Tiw

Avon- what time you gon be there

Stringer- *suprised, caght off guard Avon clockin him* Uhh, 12, why you need me do somethin

Avon-Nah, just seein wehre you gon be at

*camera pans to both of their body language*

What i gotta put it in subtitles or sumthn?' cmon man yall nggas aint no fans lol Pay attention

cold scene

 

[Dupac]

think pac woulda went for that avon role?

coulda played it better?

 

[S2J]

think pac woulda went for that avon role?

coulda played it better?

Porbably. And thats syain somethin b/c usually after seein a character played for so long you cant picture anyone else playin it. But i could see Pac seemlessly being Avon

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Nah, I can't see Pac doing it as well. Pac is too hype. Avon was more chill. I'm not saying Pac wouldn't have done a good job. I just like Avon's current characterization. I think a Pac-Avon would have been a different character to some degree. I could see a young Pac being Marlo though.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

Again, again, again...im not arguing which option he chose to take, im pointing out that that he did have an option.

And yes, he did set him up. You have to pay attention to detail. That 1 split second reaction of him verifying where Stringer was gonna be at was meant to give that to you. Again, they not gone feed everything to you.

I.e when String met with Bunk, even with all that dialogue, some nggas NEED to see him physically give him the piece of paper to come to the conclusion 'damn he snitched'....People who pay attention can take the cues from the direction of the scene, the scenes prior, the facial expressions, etc all of that and know whats goin on. Im not callin you slow...lol but with shows that are deep like this some people just dont get shyt thats not explicitly said.

Avon 'gave them the drop' on Stringer. Thts the street terminology for it. That was the purpose of him checkin his schedule. Maybe the problem is yall dont actually remember what im talkin about.

@ 2:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CpbRq9Tiw

Avon- what time you gon be there

Stringer- *suprised, caght off guard Avon clockin him* Uhh, 12, why you need me do somethin

Avon-Nah, just seein wehre you gon be at

*camera pans to both of their body language*

What i gotta put it in subtitles or sumthn?' cmon man yall nggas aint no fans lol Pay attention

this is after the fact tho.....

even with string walking away...avon still got the look like he didnt want to do it

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

think pac woulda went for that avon role?

coulda played it better?

GTFO, y'all probably think that wack nigga could cure cancer

 

[detcatinva]

I think Pac would have been a great omar

 

[S2J]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

Again, again, again...im not arguing which option he chose to take, im pointing out that that he did have an option.

And yes, he did set him up. You have to pay attention to detail. That 1 split second reaction of him verifying where Stringer was gonna be at was meant to give that to you. Again, they not gone feed everything to you.

I.e when String met with Bunk, even with all that dialogue, some nggas NEED to see him physically give him the piece of paper to come to the conclusion 'damn he snitched'....People who pay attention can take the cues from the direction of the scene, the scenes prior, the facial expressions, etc all of that and know whats goin on. Im not callin you slow...lol but with shows that are deep like this some people just dont get shyt thats not explicitly said.

Avon 'gave them the drop' on Stringer. Thts the street terminology for it. That was the purpose of him checkin his schedule. Maybe the problem is yall dont actually remember what im talkin about.

@ 2:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CpbRq9Tiw

Avon- what time you gon be there

Stringer- *suprised, caght off guard Avon clockin him* Uhh, 12, why you need me do somethin

Avon-Nah, just seein wehre you gon be at

*camera pans to both of their body language*

What i gotta put it in subtitles or sumthn?' cmon man yall nggas aint no fans lol Pay attention

this is after the fact tho.....

even with string walking away...avon still got the look like he didnt want to do it

What does that even mean... Are you refuting what i said and what the scene shows or not.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Look man, i get real territorial w/ The Wire lol Dont misrepresent facts

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEj2cMPTvQ

Now, they dont TELL YOU that Avon gives Mouzone the drop on Stringer, but thats what happens. They cant spoon feed you everything. Thats why, in the Avon and String scene, he double checks his schedule...they cant spoon feed you, but what you should imply from that is Avon SET HIM UP.

Yea, hard to swallow, but thats exactly what he did. Regardles of the reasoning.

An again, per the scene, Avon HAD an option. Mouzone couldnt move on Stringer w/out Avon. His penalty if Avon didnt comply was financial, not physical.

he couldnt move on him because he respected avon. that was implied. thats why he said his name wouldnt be respected in the street.

Avon didnt set him up.

when you set someone up you find a way to get them.

stringer put avon in the position to have to give him up.

otherwise...with his name not meaning anything nor respected....he would be tested by everybody.

think bout the jail scene when avon walked across the diamond an niggas stopped playing.

think about the scene when he met marlo in jail and said hes looked at as an authority figure.

without his name...niggas would get at him in jail

Again, again, again...im not arguing which option he chose to take, im pointing out that that he did have an option.

And yes, he did set him up. You have to pay attention to detail. That 1 split second reaction of him verifying where Stringer was gonna be at was meant to give that to you. Again, they not gone feed everything to you.

I.e when String met with Bunk, even with all that dialogue, some nggas NEED to see him physically give him the piece of paper to come to the conclusion 'damn he snitched'....People who pay attention can take the cues from the direction of the scene, the scenes prior, the facial expressions, etc all of that and know whats goin on. Im not callin you slow...lol but with shows that are deep like this some people just dont get shyt thats not explicitly said.

Avon 'gave them the drop' on Stringer. Thts the street terminology for it. That was the purpose of him checkin his schedule. Maybe the problem is yall dont actually remember what im talkin about.

@ 2:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CpbRq9Tiw

Avon- what time you gon be there

Stringer- *suprised, caght off guard Avon clockin him* Uhh, 12, why you need me do somethin

Avon-Nah, just seein wehre you gon be at

*camera pans to both of their body language*

What i gotta put it in subtitles or sumthn?' cmon man yall nggas aint no fans lol Pay attention

this is after the fact tho.....

even with string walking away...avon still got the look like he didnt want to do it

What does that even mean... Are you refuting what i said and what the scene shows or not.

it means yea avon got info on stringer to pass to monzoune. but stringer put him in that spot to have to choose. after all he shit avon already let go...now he still fukkin up?

avon bent to string more than a few times. at what point is the breaking point.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if anything avon had to fight on multiple fronts while a nigga inhouse is stabbing him in the back.

if anything that shows the niggas mettle an his ability to stand up to all that shit

 

[R.D.]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

How?

So what if he lost his line to New York

They had Prop joe and his connect, he just didn't want to even though it was the better business move

nigga was already getting his ass handed to him in the streets

You acting like if he backed Stringer, everything would have been cool, but he would have lost some associates. Because of String, he had Brother Mouzone and Omar on him. How the hell is he supposed to concentrate on getting rid of Marlo and dealing with the other members of Stringer's group when he's also got to worry about pending retaliation from from two other separate parties.

Avon couldn't back Stringer. The difference between Avon and Marlo is that Avon believed that there were rules to the game, and that you had to abide by those rules. He didn't want Stringer to get taken out, but he understood that Stringer had broken too many of those rules and had to pay.

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

I've seen Marlo actually get busy or seen him with a gun in his hand or disarm a nigga right in front of him.

I seen Avon doing swan dives behind pay phones, get shotgun shells put in his shoulder, then that same day attack the dude that killed his nephew and get put into submission within seconds

Marlo more ruthless too

Ehhh that's not really a good comparison. Marlo is raw and can handle himself no doubt. But you're using some biased examples against Avon. He was swan diving behind pay phones when bullets were firing. Is Marlo going to stand there and deflect bullets like the juggernaut. He got shot when Marlo's people outmaneuvered him. How exactly does that support Marlo in a confrontation between just the two of them. He got put into submission by Stringer because of the fact that he was wrestling with a gunshot wound. Why not bring up the fact that Avon was a boxer that was supposed to be really good with his hands? And if we going to bring up Marlo's ruthlessness, why not acknowledge that him being overly ruthless is the only reason he got caught to begin with.

Mouzone said "give your man up or lose your line to NY" nothing else...stop trying to over complicate it

He didnt want to use Prop Joe so he needed his line to NY

 

[R.D.]

Mouzone probably wasn't going to get Stringer without Avon's blessing but Omar would have still been gunning for him so Stringer would have died anyway. He really didn't have an option, Avon's a career drug dealer and didn't care about anything else and Mouzone had the tools to bury his business so there was no other options for him other than to give Stringer up.

nigga Omar been at them for years at that point and couldnt get the drop on either...Dont give him too much credit

 

[R.D.]

just a question...Niggas do realize Avon would have been done outside after he went away if not for String, right? Niggas do realize Avon wouldnt have got out as fast w/o String right? Niggas do realize that String grew the business while Avon was away, right ?

Like Ive said before, the power struggle when Avon went away was their downfall.