The Wire (Revisted)

[S2J]

One of the illest moments was when they were talking that last time and Avon double checked Stringer's schedule

'You goin to that thing at 1 right?' lol cold blooded.

Both of them put business before personal but Stringer was far far worse imo b/c he just straight up snitched, in the TRADITIONAL sense of the word. While Avon simply didnt act to correct a problem that, by street codes, merited death (Stringer crossing Mouzone). Like he said 'I couldnt fix it.'

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

One of the illest moments was when they were talking that last time and Avon double checked Stringer's schedule

'You goin to that thing at 1 right?' lol cold blooded.

Both of them put business before personal but Stringer was far far worse imo b/c he just straight up snitched, in the TRADITIONAL sense of the word. While Avon simply didnt act to correct a problem that, by street codes, merited death (Stringer crossing Mouzone). Like he said 'I couldnt fix it.'

That was one of my favorite scenes. Those two just reminiscing about the old days knowing that they set the other person up

 

[themadlionsfan]

avon talking to monzoune in the barbershop wanted to take or give anything to save stringer. until he knew stringer set shit up.

Naw, even after it clicked in Avon's mind that Stringer fucked up, he was still trying to save him. In that scene he never admitted that Stringer made a mistake. In that scene Avon said, "IF my man made a mistake, how can we fix it. Then he looked in Mouzone's face and realized there was only one solution.

 

[R.D.]

Nah, in that moment, he put the business over his man

String did the same, just to a lesser extent

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Nah Avon s reputation was on line here, he did what needed doing

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

 

[R.D.]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

How?

So what if he lost his line to New York

They had Prop joe and his connect, he just didn't want to even though it was the better business move

nigga was already getting his ass handed to him in the streets

 

[2stepz_ahead]

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

 

[Dupac]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

i unno, cuz he got in real good with the greek in jail....

 

[2stepz_ahead]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

i unno, cuz he got in real good with the greek in jail....

true.....plus stringer should have been totally honest with him when he was locked up during the first season.

Avon came home walking into a situation blind. thinking one way when it was another way.

stringer could of had his way and avon could have had his.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

think of it like this.....

avon needed to take the streets back...once that was done he could have he would time to understand the elevation of the game stringer planned..

if could have worked.

stringer lost the ethics in it.

even while avon had to bend to marlo in jail, he still looked out for his family. even when he knew stringer fucked him up in the streets and killed D, he still wanted to try to avoid stringer gettin killed.

but at some point you cant stick your head out when the other is not.

you have to respect the rules...it been said time and time again in the show.

stringer didnt rspect the rules and thats why he got got by clay. the game is the game no matter in what situation.

you can never think you above it

 

[Beta]

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

I've seen Marlo actually get busy or seen him with a gun in his hand or disarm a nigga right in front of him.

I seen Avon doing swan dives behind pay phones, get shotgun shells put in his shoulder, then that same day attack the dude that killed his nephew and get put into submission within seconds

Marlo more ruthless too

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If he rode w Stringer it d been a wrap for him in the streets

How?

So what if he lost his line to New York

They had Prop joe and his connect, he just didn't want to even though it was the better business move

nigga was already getting his ass handed to him in the streets

You acting like if he backed Stringer, everything would have been cool, but he would have lost some associates. Because of String, he had Brother Mouzone and Omar on him. How the hell is he supposed to concentrate on getting rid of Marlo and dealing with the other members of Stringer's group when he's also got to worry about pending retaliation from from two other separate parties.

Avon couldn't back Stringer. The difference between Avon and Marlo is that Avon believed that there were rules to the game, and that you had to abide by those rules. He didn't want Stringer to get taken out, but he understood that Stringer had broken too many of those rules and had to pay.

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

I've seen Marlo actually get busy or seen him with a gun in his hand or disarm a nigga right in front of him.

I seen Avon doing swan dives behind pay phones, get shotgun shells put in his shoulder, then that same day attack the dude that killed his nephew and get put into submission within seconds

Marlo more ruthless too

Ehhh that's not really a good comparison. Marlo is raw and can handle himself no doubt. But you're using some biased examples against Avon. He was swan diving behind pay phones when bullets were firing. Is Marlo going to stand there and deflect bullets like the juggernaut. He got shot when Marlo's people outmaneuvered him. How exactly does that support Marlo in a confrontation between just the two of them. He got put into submission by Stringer because of the fact that he was wrestling with a gunshot wound. Why not bring up the fact that Avon was a boxer that was supposed to be really good with his hands? And if we going to bring up Marlo's ruthlessness, why not acknowledge that him being overly ruthless is the only reason he got caught to begin with.

 

[S2J]

^^^ I'm agreein with @"rd

Similar to the Godfather thread, dudes just cant paint their favorites in a negative light.

Yea Avon tried to save Stringer, true, but at the end of the day he chose the riches over his homey.

They wasnt gonna put a hit on Avon if he didnt give the ok to knock Stringer (which is exactly what he gave in a not so obvious way), but he chose thew NY connect and the money over him.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

^^^ I'm agreein with @"rd

Similar to the Godfather thread, dudes just cant paint their favorites in a negative light.

Yea Avon tried to save Stringer, true, but at the end of the day he chose the riches over his homey.

They wasnt gonna put a hit on Avon if he didnt give the ok to knock Stringer (which is exactly what he gave in a not so obvious way), but he chose thew NY connect and the money over him.

They probably wouldn't have put a hit on Avon, but they weren't going to stop going after Stringer just because Avon didn't give his ok, especially in the case of Omar. Basically, Stringer would have gotten it eventually regardless of what Avon did. All Avon's permission did was make it so that he wouldn't catch any blowback from the death.

 

[DillaDeaf]

Some of ya'll debate can be easily solved reading this book on The Wire, I read it from time to time when I do rewatches:

The_Wire_-_Rafael_Alvarez.pdf

http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/74883065/file.html

 

[2stepz_ahead]

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

I've seen Marlo actually get busy or seen him with a gun in his hand or disarm a nigga right in front of him.

I seen Avon doing swan dives behind pay phones, get shotgun shells put in his shoulder, then that same day attack the dude that killed his nephew and get put into submission within seconds

Marlo more ruthless too

cmon bruh....avon just got shot in the shoulder....of course he went down.

avon was former golden gloves...thats why cutty went to him for the boxing gym loan.

omar had the drop on avon so he dove behind a truck.

avon was going to war with his troops...i think i saw marlo kill a chick and shoot some bottles and disarm a teen

 

[freshb651]

I can't believe niggas are trying to fault Avon,he tried to save that nigga String. Doesn't he say verbatim "How can we

fix it ?" to Mouzone ? What Mouzone was saying to Avon is that you have to make this right and surrender String or

else your rep in NY is fucked. Nobody from NY is gonna give you Work or Muscle if they think you're gonna set them

up to be killed.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I can't believe niggas are trying to fault Avon,he tried to save that nigga String. Doesn't he say verbatim "How can we

fix it ?" to Mouzone ? What Mouzone was saying to Avon is that you have to make this right and surrender String or

else your rep in NY is fucked. Nobody from NY is gonna give you Work or Muscle if they think you're gonna set them

up to be killed.

exactly...

stringer aint try to fix shit.

he wanted it his way. amd when avon didnt budge he snitched because it was business.

avon never said it was business...he had to look at the string of fukk ups from stringer that could have led to his getting got an not having a name no more. he wanted to fix it.

hell even marlo said ..."yo name is yo name"

 

[S2J]

so avon without weebay

vs

marlo without chris and snoop

who would win?

I've seen Marlo actually get busy or seen him with a gun in his hand or disarm a nigga right in front of him.

I seen Avon doing swan dives behind pay phones, get shotgun shells put in his shoulder, then that same day attack the dude that killed his nephew and get put into submission within seconds

Marlo more ruthless too

Cmon man you disrespectin the show. Use a lil common sense.

Look at how far removed Stringer is. Thats how far removed from the shyt Avon is supposed to be. Avon aint supposed to have guns and hand fightin, he's a fukin OG. Supplier level.

Marlo on the other hand is on his way to OG status but not as far removed. Avon n String are probably 30-35, Marlo is 20-25

If u wanna go further, how old you think Bunk is? 40+? Well he was 'a few years ahead' of Omar in HS. Thats closer to Avon's age bracket.