The Vick excuses every year are getting old

[momanpr100]

roddy white didnt start until halfway through the season so im not the only one thinks he was quite ready at from the jump

you know ur making the point of this thread. excuses, excuses, excuses.

 

[bow to royalty]

mike williams 65 rec 965 yards 11TDs rookie year 16 starts

roddy white 29 rec 446 yards 3 TDs rookie year 8 starts

mike williams was more ready

haha forreal? White and Vick in 2005 and 2006 combined 952 yards, 3 TD's.

White the NEXT YEAR with Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, and Leftwich as his QB's 1,202 yards 6 TD's.

mhmm....

RE-POSTED, because the strength of this post led to it being ignored

 

[tru_m.a.c]

what you waitin on an invitation? add on...

Lol my fault nigga!

I mean its the evolution of the game. Its why you can't compare the passing yardage of Bart Starr to that of Brett Favre. Money isn't the only thing affected by inflation.

5 yrs ago, you were an elite qb if you came through and dropped 300-400 yards. Now qb's do that while losing to butt ass squads.

On top of that, when y'all bring up statistics, y'all don't realize that in order to say one person has better stats than the other, they have to statistically significant. In other words, if I pass for 3200 yards and you pass for 3400 yards, you can't make a definitive statement stating you are better than me. 200 yards in the scope of a 16 game season is not statistical significant. You have to look at the body of work.

From both sides of the argument, all y'all are doing is pulling out the stats that favor your argument instead of looking at the complete body of work. Pick a QB to compare Vick to. Then break down every single year they've been in the league. Break down every single game. It gives the thread so much more credibility.

I would start by comparing Michael Vick to Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers (you'll see why once you start analyzing it).

 

[b*braze]

Lol my fault nigga!

I mean its the evolution of the game. Its why you can't compare the passing yardage of Bart Starr to that of Brett Favre. Money isn't the only thing affected by inflation.

5 yrs ago, you were an elite qb if you came through and dropped 300-400 yards. Now qb's do that while losing to butt ass squads.

On top of that, when y'all bring up statistics, y'all don't realize that in order to say one person has better stats than the other, they have to statistically significant. In other words, if I pass for 3200 yards and you pass for 3400 yards, you can't make a definitive statement stating you are better than me. 200 yards in the scope of a 16 game season is not statistical significant. You have to look at the body of work.

From both sides of the argument, all y'all are doing is pulling out the stats that favor your argument instead of looking at the complete body of work. Pick a QB to compare Vick to. Then break down every single year they've been in the league. Break down every single game. It gives the thread so much more credibility.

I would start by comparing Michael Vick to Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers (you'll see why once you start analyzing it).

link to site that does that for me?

im postin from a celly, in a hangar, tryin to pass downtime at work. i dont think its all that serious for me lmao

 

[bow to royalty]

Lol my fault nigga!

I mean its the evolution of the game. Its why you can't compare the passing yardage of Bart Starr to that of Brett Favre. Money isn't the only thing affected by inflation.

5 yrs ago, you were an elite qb if you came through and dropped 300-400 yards. Now qb's do that while losing to butt ass squads.

On top of that, when y'all bring up statistics, y'all don't realize that in order to say one person has better stats than the other, they have to statistically significant. In other words, if I pass for 3200 yards and you pass for 3400 yards, you can't make a definitive statement stating you are better than me. 200 yards in the scope of a 16 game season is not statistical significant. You have to look at the body of work.

From both sides of the argument, all y'all are doing is pulling out the stats that favor your argument instead of looking at the complete body of work. Pick a QB to compare Vick to. Then break down every single year they've been in the league. Break down every single game. It gives the thread so much more credibility.

I would start by comparing Michael Vick to Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers (you'll see why once you start analyzing it).

I see what you're saying, and I may do that in a minute. But let's say Cutler and Vick are similar. The point I'm tryin to make in here is why is Vick defended so much more? Let's say they're similar players, doin similar things, in similar situations. Why is Cutler picked on, laughed at while his line gets him killed, called a pussy/quitter for leavin a game with a torn ligament in his knee? But Vick is defended HEAVILY by people who aren't even Eagles fans. Left a competitive division game with a bruise on his non-throwing hand, but people react by putting the O-Line and referees under a microscope.

 

[VulcanRaven]

outside of brady and manning, who "stay puttin up numbers" with bad receivers?

Bruuuuuuuh.McNabb did it his whole career outside of T.O,lol Freddie Mitchell.it don't get no worse than that.Cassal put up big numbers last year with a subpar WR core.Brees be making them bums meechem and whoever look like hall of famers.Cutler when he has time be putting up good numbers,then you have orton and right now even Grossman is playing better than Vick with wack ass Santana.

 

[b*braze]

Bruuuuuuuh.McNabb did it his whole career outside of T.O,lol Freddie Mitchell.it don't get no worse than that.Cassal put up big numbers last year with a subpar WR core.Brees be making them bums meechem and whoever look like hall of famers.Cutler when he has time be putting up good numbers,then you have orton and right now even Grossman is playing better than Vick with wack ass Santana.

mcnabb NEVER put up big numbers until TO. only 5 out of 12 seasons he had 20+ TDs

cassell has dwayne bowe. ill give you brees. i already discussed orton and cutler

grossman? gtfoh

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I see what you're saying, and I may do that in a minute. But let's say Cutler and Vick are similar. The point I'm tryin to make in here is why is Vick defended so much more? Let's say they're similar players, doin similar things, in similar situations. Why is Cutler picked on, laughed at while his line gets him killed, called a pussy/quitter for leavin a game with a torn ligament in his knee? But Vick is defended HEAVILY by people who aren't even Eagles fans. Left a competitive division game with a bruise on his non-throwing hand, but people react by putting the O-Line and referees under a microscope.

lol and that hypocrisy I absolutely agree with you on. Its pretty much going to ball down to ppl being blacktop bullies. Its easy to attack the kid that's already being picked on.

but to the point of Rivers...I think it would be interesting to see exactly how far apart the top 5 qbs are from the rest of the league. I think it would shatter a lot of misconceptions. And I picked Rivers obviously cause he's the "undisputed" 5th qb in the league (with brees, manning, brady and a-rod constantly rotating depending on the week). So Phillip Rivers is what decides who is and who isn't an elite qb. He's the measuring stick. But I don't think he would pass the test when we break down his career.......

 

[bow to royalty]

lol and that hypocrisy I absolutely agree with you on. Its pretty much going to ball down to ppl being blacktop bullies. Its easy to attack the kid that's already being picked on.

but to the point of Rivers...I think it would be interesting to see exactly how far apart the top 5 qbs are from the rest of the league. I think it would shatter a lot of misconceptions. And I picked Rivers obviously cause he's the "undisputed" 5th qb in the league (with brees, manning, brady and a-rod constantly rotating depending on the week). So Phillip Rivers is what decides who is and who isn't an elite qb. He's the measuring stick. But I don't think he would pass the test when we break down his career.......

Rivers has insane stats, I'd say he definitely earned his spot, and is a good bit ahead of the other QB's. I gotta re-check his stats, but from memory, he's been shittin on people

 

[Olorun22]

Bruuuuuuuh.McNabb did it his whole career outside of T.O,lol Freddie Mitchell.it don't get no worse than that.Cassal put up big numbers last year with a subpar WR core.Brees be making them bums meechem and whoever look like hall of famers.Cutler when he has time be putting up good numbers,then you have orton and right now even Grossman is playing better than Vick with wack ass Santana.

You being disrespectful bro chill out and please get the name correct plus he's the 3rd wr

 

[bow to royalty]

B*braze why you duckin those Roddy White numbers I gave you so hard?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Rivers has insane stats, I'd say he definitely earned his spot, and is a good bit ahead of the other QB's. I gotta re-check his stats, but from memory, he's been shittin on people

He does. But using the same argument that's being used against vick, why is there always an excuse every year as to why he can't win? Technically, every year of Rivers career he's had better teams than Vick. And technically vick has done more with less than him. Yet vick can't get the benefit of the doubt for having Peerless price on his squad lol

When vick loses its vicks fault. When rivers loses its "the ppl around him weren't good enough to get it done." I think we're giving vick too much of the blame here.

 

[b*braze]

B*braze why you duckin those Roddy White numbers I gave you so hard?

you mean these?

haha forreal? White and Vick in 2005 and 2006 combined 952 yards, 3 TD's.

White the NEXT YEAR with Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, and Leftwich as his QB's 1,202 yards 6 TD's.

mhmm....

RE-POSTED, because the strength of this post led to it being ignored

i actually watched falcons games back then and i distinctly remembered thinking roddy sucked with the number of drops he had in his first 2 seasons. add to the fact that vick's main target/most reliable reciever then was alge crumpler and they were a run heavy offense. that = roddy being targeted less.

2007 brought in a new coach, bobby petrino, who installed his more open passing offense (meant to develop vick and the passing game)... but we all know what happened that season. anyway new coach, new pass happy system = roddy getting more targets developing into a better receiver

 

[R.D.]

People want so bad to hate Vick but who really has ever called him an elite QB ? Elite player, easily ! Vick has been a full time stating QB 5 full seasons and went to the playoffs three times. Thats a good percentage ! What excuses are Vick given that arent facts. Im one of the people who always stick up for Cutler on this board. Most of the people who trash Cutler but these so called "excuses" for Vick just dont know what they're talking about

 

[ShencotheMC]

Vick=overrated.

How many playoff games the young bull won? And that's why he's overrated.

He's won 2 playoff games. Your point?

 

[bow to royalty]

you mean these?

i actually watched falcons games back then and i distinctly remembered thinking roddy sucked with the number of drops he had in his first 2 seasons. add to the fact that vick's main target/most reliable reciever then was alge crumpler and they were a run heavy offense. that = roddy being targeted less.

2007 brought in a new coach, bobby petrino, who installed his more open passing offense (meant to develop vick and the passing game)... but we all know what happened that season. anyway new coach, new pass happy system = roddy getting more targets developing into a better receiver

They did become a more pass heavy offense. But Roddy also had a new coach, new system, and 3 new QB's (all of them sucked). Think that was the year ur head coach bounced mid-season too. Despite that he put up as good a numbers as any WR Vick has ever thrown to.

Like I said a career full of excuses. Receivers, coaches, schemes, jail, defense, offensive line, refs

 

[bow to royalty]

He does. But using the same argument that's being used against vick, why is there always an excuse every year as to why he can't win? Technically, every year of Rivers career he's had better teams than Vick. And technically vick has done more with less than him. Yet vick can't get the benefit of the doubt for having Peerless price on his squad lol

When vick loses its vicks fault. When rivers loses its "the ppl around him weren't good enough to get it done." I think we're giving vick too much of the blame here.

Vick puts up bad stats though. You can look at Rivers numbers, and be like "What else can you ask him to do?" It's much harder to do that with Vick. Like last year they missed the playoffs, but Rivers had 30 TD's 13 INT, and completed 66% of his passes.

 

[R.D.]

They did become a more pass heavy offense. But Roddy also had a new coach, new system, and 3 new QB's (all of them sucked). Think that was the year ur head coach bounced mid-season too. Despite that he put up as good a numbers as any WR Vick has ever thrown to.

Like I said a career full of excuses. Receivers, coaches, schemes, jail, defense, offensive line, refs

Your still negating the fact that Roddy didnt become a full time starter til his 3rd season when Vick was gone

Cant be an excuse if its fact

Vick puts up bad stats though. You can look at Rivers numbers, and be like "What else can you ask him to do?" It's much harder to do that with Vick. Like last year they missed the playoffs, but Rivers had 30 TD's 13 INT, and completed 66% of his passes.

You can watch the games and ask the same for Vick

and thats an excuse

 

[KeepOnPushing]

So Dude said Meachem and Colston were Bums???....ok.....

smh

 

[bow to royalty]

Your still negating the fact that Roddy didnt become a full time starter til his 3rd season when Vick was gone

Cant be an excuse if its fact

You can watch the games and ask the same for Vick

and thats an excuse

I somewhat accounted for that by combining 2 seasons vs 1 season.

No I can't. I can watch and ask what else can McCoy do, but not Vick. 3 games in, he has 4 TD's 2 int, and 7 fumbles.