The Truth Behind The Jay-Z & Jadakiss Beef

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water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement, it just didn't last as long..


Hard Knock Life sold 5.4 mil in the states, but Jay wasn't a superstar. Jada probably hadn't sold that in his whole career. Aight bruh.
 
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect
 
S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Not really. DMX was bigger than Jay at one point especially at the start of DMX career. Jay didn't become an international superstar till Blueprint/BP 2 really around time he got with Beyonce.

As far movements.. Ruff Ryders was as big as Rocafella but did not as long. But they never overlapped. By the time Ruff Ryders momentum died down Rocafella picked up steam.

As for Dblock on the mixtape they were bigger not on mainstream level.
 
nujerz84;7948241 said:
S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Not really. DMX was bigger than Jay at one point especially at the start of DMX career. Jay didn't become an international superstar till Blueprint/BP 2 really around time he got with Beyonce.

As far movements.. Ruff Ryders was as big as Rocafella but did not as long. But they never overlapped. By the time Ruff Ryders momentum died down Rocafella picked up steam.

As for Dblock on the mixtape they were bigger not on mainstream level.


No. Just, no. This is just not chronologically correct

For one,all this is post Vol 2, post Hard Knock Life (back to this in a sec), post Big Pimpin

No. They were not Jay z peer. Jay z was the biggest star in rap after vol 2, PERIOD

Speaking of Hard Knock Life: um, question, how can a ngga be bigger than Jay when he's an UNDERCARD on that man's tour: THE HARD KNOCK LIFE TOUR

Ya know, the movie Backstage n all??

Questin, how was Jada as big as Jay when DMX himself was under Jay's tour!?!? Enough!
 
And its sad that Beyonce narrative has taken off. Jay z was fukin w/ Beyonce quietly for years before they started bein open wit it and he started benefiting from it.

They were rumored to be datin around BP2, Bonnie n clyde, started bein open w/ it after Black Album. SoJay z wasnt crazily popular until after Black Album?

So Jay z didnt have every black man throwin his jersey away and gettin "jay z button ups" (exact quote from a local clothing store commercial back then)???

Jay z started becoming internarional when he started dressin international with ExcuseMe Miss, the whole Roc had on suits. When he ditched Dame,etc
 
S2J;7948322 said:
And its sad that Beyonce narrative has taken off. Jay z was fukin w/ Beyonce quietly for years before they started bein open wit it and he started benefiting from it.

They were rumored to be datin around BP2, Bonnie n clyde, started bein open w/ it after Black Album. SoJay z wasnt crazily popular until after Black Album?

So Jay z didnt have every black man throwin his jersey away and gettin "jay z button ups" (exact quote from a local clothing store commercial back then)???

Jay z started becoming internarional when he started dressin international with ExcuseMe Miss, the whole Roc had on suits. When he ditched Dame,etc

Destiny's child was in the H to the izzo video, he was smashing since at least then probably before that
 
S2J;7948301 said:
nujerz84;7948241 said:
S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Not really. DMX was bigger than Jay at one point especially at the start of DMX career. Jay didn't become an international superstar till Blueprint/BP 2 really around time he got with Beyonce.

As far movements.. Ruff Ryders was as big as Rocafella but did not as long. But they never overlapped. By the time Ruff Ryders momentum died down Rocafella picked up steam.

As for Dblock on the mixtape they were bigger not on mainstream level.


No. Just, no. This is just not chronologically correct

For one,all this is post Vol 2, post Hard Knock Life (back to this in a sec), post Big Pimpin

No. They were not Jay z peer. Jay z was the biggest star in rap after vol 2, PERIOD

Speaking of Hard Knock Life: um, question, how can a ngga be bigger than Jay when he's an UNDERCARD on that man's tour: THE HARD KNOCK LIFE TOUR

Ya know, the movie Backstage n all??

Questin, how was Jada as big as Jay when DMX himself was under Jay's tour!?!? Enough!


Im not talking Jada at all. Dmx 1998-2001 was bigger than Jay-Z on the mainstream level, his sales and being in movies prove this.

The ruff ryders movement was as big as Rocefella it was just not as long. It also had a big tour with Cash Money and its acts were selling and had success (Eve, Dragon, The Lox, Vol. 1 Compilation).

By the time other acts from Rocafella popped off Ruff Ryders were pretty much done.

You answered your own question.. it was Jay-Z tour.

This where I ether that point.. Eminem the biggest rapper in 2000 was the opening act of the Up In Smoke Tour.

50 Cent was bigger than Jay-Z during Roc The Mic tour yet still shared headlining duties.
 
dwade206;7948218 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement, it just didn't last as long..


Hard Knock Life sold 5.4 mil in the states, but Jay wasn't a superstar. Jada probably hadn't sold that in his whole career. Aight bruh.


S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Listen, rap fans bought Jay's album... That DIDNT make him a superstar... Puff Daddy's a superstar and hes not even proper rapper... Selling units isnt only what makes you a superstar... Yes Jay is now a superstar but he wasnt in the early 00's...

A superstar is someone who, like 40 year old non rap fans in China or India talk about (50cent, Em, Puff)... Or who goes on talk shows in these other countries... For instance Jay has only gone on Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton etc in England in the last 4 years since he has been married to Beyonce...

Marrying Beyonce has made him a superstar, that opened doors for to get the 'Bee Hive' machine and next generation of teenage and middle class fans behind him and got parents of kids England, Italy, Spain, China knowing who he is 'the guy married to beyonce' ... Since marrying her hes been able mingle with a different crowd (coldplay etc)...

 
nujerz84;7948390 said:
S2J;7948301 said:
nujerz84;7948241 said:
S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Not really. DMX was bigger than Jay at one point especially at the start of DMX career. Jay didn't become an international superstar till Blueprint/BP 2 really around time he got with Beyonce.

As far movements.. Ruff Ryders was as big as Rocafella but did not as long. But they never overlapped. By the time Ruff Ryders momentum died down Rocafella picked up steam.

As for Dblock on the mixtape they were bigger not on mainstream level.


No. Just, no. This is just not chronologically correct

For one,all this is post Vol 2, post Hard Knock Life (back to this in a sec), post Big Pimpin

No. They were not Jay z peer. Jay z was the biggest star in rap after vol 2, PERIOD

Speaking of Hard Knock Life: um, question, how can a ngga be bigger than Jay when he's an UNDERCARD on that man's tour: THE HARD KNOCK LIFE TOUR

Ya know, the movie Backstage n all??

Questin, how was Jada as big as Jay when DMX himself was under Jay's tour!?!? Enough!


Im not talking Jada at all. Dmx 1998-2001 was bigger than Jay-Z on the mainstream level, his sales and being in movies prove this.

The ruff ryders movement was as big as Rocefella it was just not as long. It also had a big tour with Cash Money and its acts were selling and had success (Eve, Dragon, The Lox, Vol. 1 Compilation).

By the time other acts from Rocafella popped off Ruff Ryders were pretty much done.

You answered your own question.. it was Jay-Z tour.

This where I ether that point.. Eminem the biggest rapper in 2000 was the opening act of the Up In Smoke Tour.

50 Cent was bigger than Jay-Z during Roc The Mic tour yet still shared headlining duties.


All correct.... Basically what Ive been saying, DMX was definitely bigger than Jay like I said he had 2 plat albums in 1 year which was/is unheard of in hip hop...
 
water ur seeds;7948402 said:
dwade206;7948218 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement, it just didn't last as long..


Hard Knock Life sold 5.4 mil in the states, but Jay wasn't a superstar. Jada probably hadn't sold that in his whole career. Aight bruh.


S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Listen, rap fans bought Jay's album... That DIDNT make him a superstar... Puff Daddy's a superstar and hes not even proper rapper... Selling units isnt only what makes you a superstar... Yes Jay is now a superstar but he wasnt in the early 00's...

A superstar is someone who, like 40 year old non rap fans in China or India talk about (50cent, Em, Puff)... Or who goes on talk shows in these other countries... For instance Jay has only gone on Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton etc in England in the last 4 years since he has been married to Beyonce...

Marrying Beyonce has made him a superstar, that opened doors for to get the 'Bee Hive' machine and next generation of teenage and middle class fans behind him and got parents of kids England, Italy, Spain, China knowing who he is 'the guy married to beyonce' ... Since marrying her hes been able mingle with a different crowd (coldplay etc)...


And that makes no sense. According to Quincy Jones, once you sell over 500k, the white demographic is for sure buying your album. But you say only "rap fans" bought it after selling 5.4 domestically? Aight bruh.
 
dwade206;7948480 said:
water ur seeds;7948402 said:
dwade206;7948218 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement, it just didn't last as long..


Hard Knock Life sold 5.4 mil in the states, but Jay wasn't a superstar. Jada probably hadn't sold that in his whole career. Aight bruh.


S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Listen, rap fans bought Jay's album... That DIDNT make him a superstar... Puff Daddy's a superstar and hes not even proper rapper... Selling units isnt only what makes you a superstar... Yes Jay is now a superstar but he wasnt in the early 00's...

A superstar is someone who, like 40 year old non rap fans in China or India talk about (50cent, Em, Puff)... Or who goes on talk shows in these other countries... For instance Jay has only gone on Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton etc in England in the last 4 years since he has been married to Beyonce...

Marrying Beyonce has made him a superstar, that opened doors for to get the 'Bee Hive' machine and next generation of teenage and middle class fans behind him and got parents of kids England, Italy, Spain, China knowing who he is 'the guy married to beyonce' ... Since marrying her hes been able mingle with a different crowd (coldplay etc)...


And that makes no sense. According to Quincy Jones, once you sell over 500k, the white demographic is for sure buying your album. But you say only "rap fans" bought it after selling 5.4 domestically? Aight bruh.


What dont you understand, that doesn't make you superstar, it makes you a RAP STAR... HIP HOP STAR...

Yes white HIP HOP fans where buying his records... You think the world didnt have 5 million hip hop fans in the early 00's??? DMX sold 15million in his first 3 albums... That didnt make you a household name around the world, it makes you a star to hip hop fans...

Fans were actually buying CDs back then, supporting hip hop...
 
JDSTAYWITIT.;7947673 said:
Shit sounds like nothing but feelings and thirst .... just a microcosm of the entertainment industry

"boo hoo another nigga wanted you on their song that aint even mine but im mad at you now ... boo hooo ima cry"

smmfh blood

then lol @ the beans story ... "nah .. i aint got no problem wit duke... but fuck it doe .. i need the promo nah mean... sooo... DIE NIGGA DIE"

lol .... a bunch of phony ass bullshit ...

... but i must say out of all of this ... the silver lining has to be that this video made me go back a listen to fiesta again .. and in doing so .. i realized that there was an NC17 version of the fiesta video ... primed for BET UNCUT ... shit... titties out every damn where ... i must have been too young to remeber that shit


DAYUM.... right off the top too


Titties, camel toe (no pun), etc... yeah that was the good years
 
water ur seeds;7948543 said:
dwade206;7948480 said:
water ur seeds;7948402 said:
dwade206;7948218 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement, it just didn't last as long..


Hard Knock Life sold 5.4 mil in the states, but Jay wasn't a superstar. Jada probably hadn't sold that in his whole career. Aight bruh.


S2J;7948225 said:
water ur seeds;7948080 said:
dwade206;7948015 said:
water ur seeds;7947992 said:
Jada was MASSIVE back in late 90's early 00's, people are forgetting that Jay wasnt the mainstream billionaire friendly Hov that people know now, it was more the Rocafella movement that was massive...

Also Jada could kill a street track with whoever and then kill a 'love' song with Mariah Carey or Jaheim...

LPast;7942374 said:
Similar reason to the 50 and Nas beef over a j.Lo song.

50 and Nas beef was based of Nas screaming on Mega's chick which 50 wasnt cool with...
=10


Again, Jada was not massive. He had a healthy buzz but that was it and even during that time Jay was a superstar. The Roc movement would've been nothing without him. Jay was defeated with ether and was big enough to come out right after with Best of Both Worlds and Blueprint 2 soon after to collect more plaques keeping his credibility in Hip Hop in tact.


Jay was definitely not a superstar, far from it... Hes only become a superstar since he married one... A superstar is a household name all around the world, like 50 Cent and Eminem, Jay has only done that in the last 3-2 years...

He was a rap star, one of the biggest, as was Jada... DMX was bigger than Jay, he had 2 plat albums in one year... Yeah Jay was at the forefront behind Rocafella, but they were still only rap stars...

The D Block, Ruff Ryders movement was just as big, if not bigger than Rocafella movement
, it just didn't last as long..


Wow...No need to argue with this guy just as long as everyone knows he is absolutely incorrect. Please tell me nggas know he is absolutely incorrect


Listen, rap fans bought Jay's album... That DIDNT make him a superstar... Puff Daddy's a superstar and hes not even proper rapper... Selling units isnt only what makes you a superstar... Yes Jay is now a superstar but he wasnt in the early 00's...

A superstar is someone who, like 40 year old non rap fans in China or India talk about (50cent, Em, Puff)... Or who goes on talk shows in these other countries... For instance Jay has only gone on Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton etc in England in the last 4 years since he has been married to Beyonce...

Marrying Beyonce has made him a superstar, that opened doors for to get the 'Bee Hive' machine and next generation of teenage and middle class fans behind him and got parents of kids England, Italy, Spain, China knowing who he is 'the guy married to beyonce' ... Since marrying her hes been able mingle with a different crowd (coldplay etc)...


And that makes no sense. According to Quincy Jones, once you sell over 500k, the white demographic is for sure buying your album. But you say only "rap fans" bought it after selling 5.4 domestically? Aight bruh.


What dont you understand, that doesn't make you superstar, it makes you a RAP STAR... HIP HOP STAR...

Yes white HIP HOP fans where buying his records... You think the world didnt have 5 million hip hop fans in the early 00's??? DMX sold 15million in his first 3 albums... That didnt make you a household name around the world, it makes you a star to hip hop fans...

Fans were actually buying CDs back then, supporting hip hop...


Nope. Your definition is superstar is biased

 
So everybody just gonna point the finger at Jay for getting on those remixes ........ It sounds more like a Harlem hustlers move to make some calls to get more cake for their team ......... IJS
 

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