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[janklow]

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/837150294626680832

if Pelosi can't cite her call for Clapper to resign after lying under oath, that bitch needs to shut the fuck up

 

[janklow]

dont be stupid.

actually... Sessions absolutely has an out:

What the experts say

While the public perception of perjury is simply “lying under oath,” the experts we spoke with pointed out that the law is much more specific than that, which makes the question tricky.

“Could a gutsy prosecutor bring a case against the attorney general for perjury? Possibly,” said Paul Butler, a former federal prosecutor in the public integrity section of the Department of Justice who is now professor at Georgetown Law. “If you look at other perjury and false statement cases that the Justice Department has brought and state prosecutors have brought, I think you’d see cases that are less clear that prosecutors still bring.”

That said, Butler noted how difficult such a case would be. Perjury demands that the falsehood be material to the testimony, and in the response to Franken, Butler said he isn’t sure that Sessions’s statement about meeting with Russians was.

“He wasn’t asked directly about his own contacts, so he could say that his answer wasn’t material because that wasn’t really what the question was about,” Butler said. “In fact, he could say if they really wanted to know that, they could have asked that.”

The precision required to catch someone in a lie was a point made by Rodgers as well.

“You have to have unambiguous proof that the statement was false and that the speaker knew it to be false,” she said. “What that means as a prosecutor is that you have to be exceedingly careful and have to get kind of the perfect question and the perfect answer together.”

“As a prosecutor sometimes you’ll walk out of a courtroom and you’ll say, ‘Man, that guy lied through his teeth to me, I’ve got him!'” she said. “And then when you review the transcript, you realize that in fact there’s some ambiguity there, and you can’t say with 100 percent certainty that the statement was false, and the speaker had to know it was false, and it was intentionally false, and it was a material matter and all of those things.”

“Seasoned prosecutors walk away without having captured it in the questioning. The chance that Senator Franken — who I don’t think is even a lawyer — is going to capture that is pretty slim,” she added. “It’s very, very hard to do, and it’s hard to prove.”

There are obvious holes that Sessions could already walk through (and, in statements, has).

Even had Sessions been asked more directly — “Did you make contact with Russian officials as part of your duties with the campaign?” — Butler said he thinks Sessions could “make a credible case that the answer is no,” and that the contacts with the Russian ambassador mirrored his contacts with several dozen other ambassadors he contacted in 2016, as a senator and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Sessions enjoys another protection in this case: As someone in a high-profile position, prosecution for perjury would need to be fairly open-and-shut. If you come at the king, you better not miss, as Butler put it.

“Is it a slam dunk? No,” he said. “And I don’t think you bring a case against the nation’s top law enforcement officer unless it’s a slam dunk.”

has nothing to do with whether or not people like Sessions. which is also a problem with trusting the opinion of people who say "he should never have been AG anyway." okay, maybe you're right, but am i supposed to presume you're unbiased on him needing to resign?

 

[marc123]

Cenk's Prediction On Trump And Russia...


IF Cenk is right, this is some mind blowing shit. Trump may have pulled off one of the biggest robberies/cons in the history of America.

If all this is true and it ever gets exposed, his downfall will be all time epic. His sudden fall from grace will be goat. Impeachment will be the least of his concerns. It might even end in jail time for treason.

 

[313 wayz]

Cenk's Prediction On Trump And Russia...


IF Cenk is right, this is some mind blowing shit. Trump may have pulled off one of the biggest robberies/cons in the history of America.

If all this is true and it ever gets exposed, his downfall will be all time epic. His sudden fall from grace will be goat. Impeachment will be the least of his concerns. It might even end in jail time for treason.

That exposure would be epic.....knowing Trump he would refuse calls to resign and would likely take his chances on being impeached. I think Pence, Ryan and Priebus already know all of Trump's shady dealings with Russia that have yet to come to light and have insulated themselves from this fiasco so when Trump falls, VP Pence will be be sworn in as President and return the Oval Office to the Republican establishment for the remainder of Trumps term. You think Pence (a career and seasoned politician) is happy with being a clean-up man / fixer for Trump (a non-seasoned and gaffe-prone businessman)...he been waiting on this to happen

 

[fortyacres]

dont be stupid.

actually... Sessions absolutely has an out:

What the experts say

While the public perception of perjury is simply “lying under oath,” the experts we spoke with pointed out that the law is much more specific than that, which makes the question tricky.

“Could a gutsy prosecutor bring a case against the attorney general for perjury? Possibly,” said Paul Butler, a former federal prosecutor in the public integrity section of the Department of Justice who is now professor at Georgetown Law. “If you look at other perjury and false statement cases that the Justice Department has brought and state prosecutors have brought, I think you’d see cases that are less clear that prosecutors still bring.”

That said, Butler noted how difficult such a case would be. Perjury demands that the falsehood be material to the testimony, and in the response to Franken, Butler said he isn’t sure that Sessions’s statement about meeting with Russians was.

“He wasn’t asked directly about his own contacts, so he could say that his answer wasn’t material because that wasn’t really what the question was about,” Butler said. “In fact, he could say if they really wanted to know that, they could have asked that.”

The precision required to catch someone in a lie was a point made by Rodgers as well.

“You have to have unambiguous proof that the statement was false and that the speaker knew it to be false,” she said. “What that means as a prosecutor is that you have to be exceedingly careful and have to get kind of the perfect question and the perfect answer together.”

“As a prosecutor sometimes you’ll walk out of a courtroom and you’ll say, ‘Man, that guy lied through his teeth to me, I’ve got him!'” she said. “And then when you review the transcript, you realize that in fact there’s some ambiguity there, and you can’t say with 100 percent certainty that the statement was false, and the speaker had to know it was false, and it was intentionally false, and it was a material matter and all of those things.”

“Seasoned prosecutors walk away without having captured it in the questioning. The chance that Senator Franken — who I don’t think is even a lawyer — is going to capture that is pretty slim,” she added. “It’s very, very hard to do, and it’s hard to prove.”

There are obvious holes that Sessions could already walk through (and, in statements, has).

Even had Sessions been asked more directly — “Did you make contact with Russian officials as part of your duties with the campaign?” — Butler said he thinks Sessions could “make a credible case that the answer is no,” and that the contacts with the Russian ambassador mirrored his contacts with several dozen other ambassadors he contacted in 2016, as a senator and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Sessions enjoys another protection in this case: As someone in a high-profile position, prosecution for perjury would need to be fairly open-and-shut. If you come at the king, you better not miss, as Butler put it.

“Is it a slam dunk? No,” he said. “And I don’t think you bring a case against the nation’s top law enforcement officer unless it’s a slam dunk.”

has nothing to do with whether or not people like Sessions. which is also a problem with trusting the opinion of people who say "he should never have been AG anyway." okay, maybe you're right, but am i supposed to presume you're unbiased on him needing to resign?

They are politicians, republicans at that so they will find loopholes in everything.

I never said he should resign im just pointing out the hypocrisy and wanna know why they clinging on so hard to Russia because there must be something there.

 

[Angeles1son85]

Damn george w bush on jimmy kimmel he asked bush as presidente you know secrets is there aliens and been to area 51 lol bush just laughed and kimmel said you know stuff we woukd never know and he said yes i do that stuff i take to my grave you haveto cuz we cant let the pubic know

 

[fortyacres]

Marine Le Pen loses immunity from prosecution over IS images could be prosecuted and Jailed

The European Parliament has lifted French far-right leader Marine Le Pen's immunity from prosecution after she tweeted pictures of so-called Islamic State (IS) violence.

Ms Le Pen is under investigation in France for posting three graphic images of IS killings in 2015, including the beheading of US journalist James Foley.

Her position as an MEP has so far meant she could not be prosecuted.

Ms Le Pen is currently running to be French president.

Opinion polls suggest she is on course to win the first round in April, but centrist Emmanuel Macron is gaining ground and looks likely to beat her in a second round in May.

A Figaro/LCI poll on Sunday put Mr Macron - who was unveiling his manifesto at the same time as it was revealed Ms Le Pen had lost her immunity - on 58% in the run-off, against 42% for Ms Le Pen.

The European Parliament vote - carried by a "big majority", according to acting parliament speaker Dimitrios Papadimoulis - confirmed a preliminary decision taken on Tuesday by the legal affairs committee of the European Union legislature.

Ms Le Pen had dismissed efforts to lift her immunity as "part of the system that wants to stop the French people's candidate that I am".

The allegations date back to December 2015, when she tweeted the pictures in response to a journalist who drew an analogy between her anti-immigration Front National (FN) party and IS extremists.

Mr Foley's parents accused Le Pen of using the "shamefully uncensored" image of their son for her own political ends.

However, the vote only lifts her immunity in this particular case and will not cover a separate investigation into whether the FN misused European Parliament funds.

Ms Le Pen has refused to attend a police interview over the latter allegations. She denies wrongdoing and claims that they are a plot to derail her campaign.

This is not the first time Marine Le Pen has found herself in legal hot water at the European Parliament.

Her immunity was lifted four years ago to facilitate an investigation into remarks she made about Muslims praying in public in France - and she's locked in a long-running dispute about an alleged misuse of parliamentary expenses.

This latest case involves her spreading images of brutal IS executions on social media.

In theory such actions can result in a heavy fine or even imprisonment in France although Madame Le Pen may calculate that this is an issue that will do her no harm with hard-right supporters of her party, the Front National. No charges were brought against her the last time her immunity was lifted.

With her conservative rival Francois Fillon facing an investigation into his family's use of parliamentary salaries and expenses, Thursday's decision leaves France in the unusual position of having two prominent candidates for the presidency facing the prospect of criminal prosecution.

 

[fortyacres]

I dont trust James Comey running this investigation.

 

[fortyacres]

lol at G.W Bush making rounds these days coz he is no longer one of the worst President on surface lmao.

 

[Peace_79]

dont be stupid.

actually... Sessions absolutely has an out:

What the experts say

While the public perception of perjury is simply “lying under oath,” the experts we spoke with pointed out that the law is much more specific than that, which makes the question tricky.

“Could a gutsy prosecutor bring a case against the attorney general for perjury? Possibly,” said Paul Butler, a former federal prosecutor in the public integrity section of the Department of Justice who is now professor at Georgetown Law. “If you look at other perjury and false statement cases that the Justice Department has brought and state prosecutors have brought, I think you’d see cases that are less clear that prosecutors still bring.”

That said, Butler noted how difficult such a case would be. Perjury demands that the falsehood be material to the testimony, and in the response to Franken, Butler said he isn’t sure that Sessions’s statement about meeting with Russians was.

“He wasn’t asked directly about his own contacts, so he could say that his answer wasn’t material because that wasn’t really what the question was about,” Butler said. “In fact, he could say if they really wanted to know that, they could have asked that.”

The precision required to catch someone in a lie was a point made by Rodgers as well.

“You have to have unambiguous proof that the statement was false and that the speaker knew it to be false,” she said. “What that means as a prosecutor is that you have to be exceedingly careful and have to get kind of the perfect question and the perfect answer together.”

“As a prosecutor sometimes you’ll walk out of a courtroom and you’ll say, ‘Man, that guy lied through his teeth to me, I’ve got him!'” she said. “And then when you review the transcript, you realize that in fact there’s some ambiguity there, and you can’t say with 100 percent certainty that the statement was false, and the speaker had to know it was false, and it was intentionally false, and it was a material matter and all of those things.”

“Seasoned prosecutors walk away without having captured it in the questioning. The chance that Senator Franken — who I don’t think is even a lawyer — is going to capture that is pretty slim,” she added. “It’s very, very hard to do, and it’s hard to prove.”

There are obvious holes that Sessions could already walk through (and, in statements, has).

Even had Sessions been asked more directly — “Did you make contact with Russian officials as part of your duties with the campaign?” — Butler said he thinks Sessions could “make a credible case that the answer is no,” and that the contacts with the Russian ambassador mirrored his contacts with several dozen other ambassadors he contacted in 2016, as a senator and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Sessions enjoys another protection in this case: As someone in a high-profile position, prosecution for perjury would need to be fairly open-and-shut. If you come at the king, you better not miss, as Butler put it.

“Is it a slam dunk? No,” he said. “And I don’t think you bring a case against the nation’s top law enforcement officer unless it’s a slam dunk.”

has nothing to do with whether or not people like Sessions.

which is also a problem with trusting the opinion of people who say "he should never have been AG anyway."

okay, MAYBE you're right, but am i supposed to presume you're unbiased on him needing to resign?

Do you think that there may be a reason or two ... that people DO NOT want Jeff Sessions as the Attorney General of the United States?

HINT: It has NOTHING to do with Politics or Parisian motivation.

PS: You and everyone else are supposed to "TRUST YOUR own OPINION" and the conclusions that you come to regarding the FACTs that are presented.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

George W. Bush still the worst president, people's memory are short but not mine:

-GITMO, politicizing DOJ, torture, Iraq war bullshit, two tax cuts while at war, spying on Americans without warrant, jailing an American indefinitely under prisoner of war, Hurricane Katrina, prescription Medicare unfunded-

He shouldn't be able to move around without shame

Trump could get there but it's too early

 

[fortyacres]

George W. Bush still the worst president, people's memory are short but not mine:

-GITMO, politicizing DOJ, torture, Iraq war bullshit, two tax cuts while at war, spying on Americans without warrant, jailing an American indefinitely under prisoner of war, Hurricane Katrina, prescription Medicare unfunded-

He shouldn't be able to move around without shame

Trump could get there but it's too early

Not in history though.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

George W. Bush still the worst president, people's memory are short but not mine:

-GITMO, politicizing DOJ, torture, Iraq war bullshit, two tax cuts while at war, spying on Americans without warrant, jailing an American indefinitely under prisoner of war, Hurricane Katrina, prescription Medicare unfunded-

He shouldn't be able to move around without shame

Trump could get there but it's too early

Not in history though.

America still dealing with Bush's disasters (result of budgets & wars), Trump just started

 

[stringer bell]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...o-trump-undocumented-crime-office-un-american

Gorka Says Criticizing Trump's Newly Created Crime Office Is 'Un-American'

White House aide Sebastian Gorka said Wednesday that objections to President Donald Trump's creation of a new office to highlight crimes committed by undocumented immigrants are "un-American."

Gorka condemned the objections to Trump's creation of the Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement office, or VOICE, as "disgusting" in an interview with WPHT first flagged by CNN's KFILE.

"We want to help the victims, the victims of crime, the victims of people who have already broken the law by being here," he said. "If you object to that, you are in favor of pain, in favor of tragedy, and in favor of chaos, and that is un-American."

 

[playmaker88]

You often hear Trump voters saying i vote for him because he is not a Politician.. He is not a "Politician" by occupation.. but Politics is in everything.. if you are a business man you are more like a politician than not.. If you deal with people you deal with politics..

So let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that he is not a politcian

On to the repeated cliche phrase of.. you should want to see your President succeed .. You cant just rubber stamp in respect the office of the presidency.. when he is trying to destroy some of the ideals that we like to say that we as America have.. If he succeeds we fail..

 

[stringer bell]

pence used private email as a gov and he got hacked lmao this should be good what the emails say

pence used private email as a gov and he got hacked lmao this should be good what the emails say

"Lock HIM Up!!!"

https://twitter.com/battletested5/status/837646509575454721

 

[riddlerap]

Democrats were aghast after learning Attorney General Jeff Sessions met twice, as a senator, with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. without telling Congress at his confirmation hearing – but it turns out Sergey Kislyak is no stranger to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.

The longtime Russian ambassador met with seven then-Democratic senators in a single sit-down in 2013, among other discussions – and reportedly was a frequent visitor to the Obama White House.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

this is crazy..

we not even at day 50 yet and they in so much shit like they been in office for years.

is this what this presidency is about...

the russians will overtake us as topdog...cuz we have to correct all the shit they fukking up and about to fukk up

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Democrats were aghast after learning Attorney General Jeff Sessions met twice, as a senator, with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. without telling Congress at his confirmation hearing – but it turns out Sergey Kislyak is no stranger to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.

The longtime Russian ambassador met with seven then-Democratic senators in a single sit-down in 2013, among other discussions – and reportedly was a frequent visitor to the Obama White House.

i think you are missing the point

 

[marc123]