stringer bell
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https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/838874316410355713
Klansmen Sessions is doubling down on his lies...
Klansmen Sessions is doubling down on his lies...
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i don't know, the same reason you KNOW their motives are as pure as the driven snow?Peace_79;c-9671736 said:How the HELL could you possibly know this?
in fact... are you going to tell me that you're never going to assign a politician a motive you can't confirm?
so you chopped out the portion of my post where i specifically addressed this:Peace_79;c-9671736 said:The FACT of the matter is ... Jeff Sessions SHOULD NOT have been appointed AG ...
"okay, but i think you're missing my point: if a politician presents themselves as a fountain of knowledge as to why Sessions should resign/go to jail/etc, and instead of just laying out the facts, starts tossing in "he should never have been AG anyway," it's counterproductive. it allows me to say "oh, this is about bias, not just what Sessions did or did not do.""
it's ALMOST like i'm literally saying you can make a case he should be in trouble without bringing in "shouldn't have been AG" thing, and conversely, you can make THAT argument as well. there's no damn need to drag down each argument if they're ACTUALLY BASED ON LOGIC AND FACTS. it's not about saying only one argument exists, it's saying let them stand on their own merits.
seriously, don't complain about partisanship if you're not willing to make these cases about the actual topics. partisanship is what got Sessions confirmed.
honestly, the bigger concern is "are people tied to him clean?"fortyacres;c-9673432 said:Just hope Barry O clean in all this.
i doubt Obama would risk it and be like "fuck it, wiretap Trump." but every official?
DISCLAIMER: i am 99.9% sure Trump is full of shit on this, so this is an academic debate as far as i am concerned
i can... but not in this scenario, in this way. we do all remember that the Democrats expected to WIN the election, right?Peace_79;c-9673553 said:I don't see Obama breaking the law ... just can't see it.
MarcusGarvey
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Time to short the S&P 500, only a matter of time before shit happens
What a time to be alive.
What a time to be alive.
Angeles1son85
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all trump gotta do make a request for wire tap and he will find out if obama did or didn't lol called his bluff
Angeles1son85
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Shit is funny all these trump supporters on tv on any network tryin to defend this studdering and changing the subject lol
playmaker88
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THese republicans are cowards.. the "Mavericks" were prefacing their comments..
TRUMP IS A LIAR PERIOD.
TRUMP IS A LIAR PERIOD.
naledgestate
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DNB1;c-9674485 said:infamous114;c-9674420 said:https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/838815925235232769
I got a feeling this is fake news. No source.
One could say it was put out to muddy the news of the new travel order signed today.
But I wonder who? If it is in fact fake news, I'm more inclined to think it was Trump, which he will use in a couple of days as another example of "fake news".
Can't trust any of it.
True story.
latimes.com/politics/la-live-updates-9th-circuit-arguments-gold-star-father-canceled-speech-in-1488828210-htmlstory.html
I cant fault you for being skeptical. Healthy skepticism is a good thing which guards against unsubstantiated claims.
On the flip side, these aint normal times. In regards to Trump, you can never rule anything out.
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infamous114
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Angeles1son85;c-9674898 said:Shit is funny all these trump supporters on tv on any network tryin to defend this studdering and changing the subject lol
Stuttering
GOP bill to replace Obamacare has been rolled.
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/838889110991486977
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/838889110991486977
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58bdf877e4b09ab537d63e57?
POLITICS
03/06/2017 07:29 pm ET | Updated 1 hour ago
House Republicans Unveil Bill To Repeal Obamacare
It would likely take insurance from millions, but conservatives are already protesting.
By Jonathan Cohn , Jeffrey Young
House Republican leaders on Monday formally unveiled legislation to repeal most of the Affordable Care Act and “replace” it with a very different health policy scheme ― one in which government would do a lot less to help people get comprehensive health insurance and, most likely, many more people would struggle to find affordable medical care.
The bill represents a starkly different vision for the health care system than embodied by the Affordable Care Act. President Barack Obama’s 2010 law expanded health coverage to 20 million previously uninsured people and slashed the share of Americans without health insurance to an all-time low. The law targeted financial assistance to lower-income households and featured a slew of consumer protections, starting with an ironclad guarantee of coverage for people with pre-existing conditions.
The plan endorsed by House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), by contrast, offers less financial assistance to low-income people, likely resulting in millions of Americans losing the health coverage they have today, and provides tax credits to people with higher incomes. The bill scraps key consumer protections.
And, crucially, the legislation is a vehicle for massive tax cuts for rich people and corporations, paid for by slashing assistance to poor and middle-class people.
In sum, the GOP health care legislation falls far short of President Donald Trump’s promises of “insurance for everybody.” Just what the effects of this bill would be on the federal budget and the number of Americans with health coverage isn’t yet known, because House Republican leaders are poised to move the measure forward before the scorekeepers at the Congressional Budget Office have made an assessment. And the bill doesn’t say how it would pay for its spending after scrapping the taxes that financed the Affordable Care Act.
The “American Health Care Act,” as Republicans call it, actually consists of two separate, but complementary bills ― one for the Energy and Commerce Committee, and one for Ways and Means. Each committee plans to begin “marking up” the legislation on Wednesday, which means they will review the text, contemplate amendments, and then vote.
If they pass their bills, it will be a major step toward pushing legislation through Congress to the desk of President Donald Trump ― who, along with GOP leaders, has made repeal of Obamacare a top priority.
Republicans have at various times promised that their proposal would provide better, cheaper insurance than the Affordable Care Act ― and that people who now depend on the law for coverage won’t be left in the lurch. But they have also promised to reduce spending and regulations ― and to get rid of the law’s highly unpopular individual mandate, which is a financial penalty for people who decline to get coverage even when it wouldn’t cause hardship.
These goals aren’t compatible with each other. And with this legislation, House leaders have made it clear they are going to err on the side of less regulation, spending, and taxes ― even if that means people who need help paying their medical bills don’t get it.
In fact, the new legislation looks a lot like earlier versions of the measure that Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and other publications have described. Studies of those bills suggested they would result in cheaper premiums for younger and healthier people, and new tax breaks for more affluent consumers ― but also higher out-of-pocket costs, higher premiums for older and sicker people, and ultimately many more uninsured.
Here are some key features:
Changes who gets financial assistance, and how much. People who buy private coverage would be eligible fixed tax credits that vary only by age, starting at $2,000 a year for people who are younger than 30, and peaking at $4,000 a year for people who are older than 60 ― with tax credits phasing out for single people earning more than $75,000 and married couples earning twice that. This would replace the Affordable Care Act’s tax credits, which are bigger for people with lower incomes and higher insurance costs. It would be a net transfer of federal resources from the old and the less affluent to the young and the more affluent ― and it’s a big reason that, according to several studies, such a scheme would lead to millions of newly uninsured. (Also, the value of the tax credits would probably not keep up with the cost of health insurance from year to year, so they would provide less assistance over time.)
The bill also provides states $100 billion over 10 years to establish high-risk pools or other mechanisms to support people with high medical costs.
Raises premiums for older people. The Affordable Care Act limited insurers from charging older customers more than three times what they charge younger adults. The House bill would raise that to five times. This may enable younger consumers to find cheaper coverage, but older policyholders would face higher rates.
Ends the individual mandate. Penalties under the individual mandate would disappear, retroactive to Dec. 31, 2015. Insurers depend on the mandate to make sure healthy people don’t wait until getting sick before buying coverage. Doing away with these fines removes a key incentive for consumers to keep the insurance they have now or to buy next year, which could result in higher premiums for those sicker people who remain in the system.
Insurers could charge higher premiums to people who did not maintain “continuous coverage” ― a lapse of more than 63 days ― 30 percent more for their policies when they sign up again. It’s not clear that insurers would consider this adequate to protect against massive losses ― and that could mean a rapid destabilization of insurance markets, which in many states are already fragile, and a quick spike in the number of people without coverage. The bill also eliminates the penalties large employers pay when workers receive health insurance subsidies because the company didn’t offer health benefits.
Rolls back Medicaid expansion. Thirty-one states and the District of Columbia have expanded eligibility for Medicaid, thereby insuring more than 10 million people, by taking advantage of extra federal funds that the Affordable Care Act set aside for that purpose. Starting in 2020, the federal government would no longer provide those federal funds for people who newly qualify under the expanded eligibility standards. The federal government would continue to provide the extra funds for any expansion enrollee who was on the program before 2020 ― until he or she left Medicaid, as people inevitably do. Eventually, the expansion population would dwindle and disappear without the federal dollars.
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Radically transforms Medicaid. Funding for the entire Medicaid program, including for people who were on the program before the health care law took effect, would change dramatically. Today, the federal government offers an open-ended promise: States receive however much money it takes to guarantee comprehensive benefits for anybody who becomes eligible. Under the new legislation, states would get a lump sum per person, based on a pre-determined formula. Critics have warned that formula would not keep up with medical costs, forcing states to make deep cuts over time, either to who is eligible for coverage, what benefits they receive or how much medical providers are paid to treat these patients.
Ends Obamacare taxes. Taxes to finance the Affordable Care Act’s expansion, including new payroll taxes on the wealthiest Americans and taxes on health care companies and tanning salons, would expire.
The bills call for other changes that would affect regulations on insurance, such as the level of coverage that plans must provide. It is not clear such changes fall within the guidelines of a “reconciliation” rules ― the special legislative process, reserved for fiscal matters, that would allow Republicans to pass legislation with a simple majority rather than the 60 votes it normally would take to overcome a Democratic filibuster.
Even as as House Republicans prepared to take this momentous step, there were new signs of just how difficult passing legislation would be. The House legislation calls for rolling back the Affordable Care Act’s expansion of Medicaid, which the majority of states have embraced and allowed millions to get insurance.
On Monday afternoon, Republican Sens. Rob Portman (Ohio), Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.), Cory Gardner (Colo.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) ― all from states that have expanded Medicaid ― warned that they could not vote for a bill that took away federal money for the expansion.
And Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) denounced the legislation as “Obamacare 2.0.”
Conservatives have in the past objected to anything that allows the law’s taxes and spending to last a few years, even if they are set for expiration later. Another sore spot is the provision of “refundable” tax credits, meaning they are available to people who don’t make enough money to owe income taxes.
If the credits go out every month, that’s even worse, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) told HuffPost on Friday. “Advance monthly refundable tax credits is a euphemism for a new monthly entitlement check,” he said.
Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, told HuffPost on Monday it’s “apparent that strides have been made to address real concerns” raised by caucus members. He added: “At first glance, it appears that Medicaid issues are still very problematic.”
Even the White House appeared reticent about embracing the new plan.
“Today marks an important step toward restoring healthcare choices and affordability back to the American people,” press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement. “President Trump looks forward to working with both Chambers of Congress to repeal and replace Obamacare.”
Radically transforms Medicaid. Funding for the entire Medicaid program, including for people who were on the program before the health care law took effect, would change dramatically. Today, the federal government offers an open-ended promise: States receive however much money it takes to guarantee comprehensive benefits for anybody who becomes eligible. Under the new legislation, states would get a lump sum per person, based on a pre-determined formula. Critics have warned that formula would not keep up with medical costs, forcing states to make deep cuts over time, either to who is eligible for coverage, what benefits they receive or how much medical providers are paid to treat these patients.
Ends Obamacare taxes. Taxes to finance the Affordable Care Act’s expansion, including new payroll taxes on the wealthiest Americans and taxes on health care companies and tanning salons, would expire.
The bills call for other changes that would affect regulations on insurance, such as the level of coverage that plans must provide. It is not clear such changes fall within the guidelines of a “reconciliation” rules ― the special legislative process, reserved for fiscal matters, that would allow Republicans to pass legislation with a simple majority rather than the 60 votes it normally would take to overcome a Democratic filibuster.
Even as as House Republicans prepared to take this momentous step, there were new signs of just how difficult passing legislation would be. The House legislation calls for rolling back the Affordable Care Act’s expansion of Medicaid, which the majority of states have embraced and allowed millions to get insurance.
On Monday afternoon, Republican Sens. Rob Portman (Ohio), Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.), Cory Gardner (Colo.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) ― all from states that have expanded Medicaid ― warned that they could not vote for a bill that took away federal money for the expansion.
And Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) denounced the legislation as “Obamacare 2.0.”
Conservatives have in the past objected to anything that allows the law’s taxes and spending to last a few years, even if they are set for expiration later. Another sore spot is the provision of “refundable” tax credits, meaning they are available to people who don’t make enough money to owe income taxes.
If the credits go out every month, that’s even worse, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) told HuffPost on Friday. “Advance monthly refundable tax credits is a euphemism for a new monthly entitlement check,” he said.
Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, told HuffPost on Monday it’s “apparent that strides have been made to address real concerns” raised by caucus members. He added: “At first glance, it appears that Medicaid issues are still very problematic.”
Even the White House appeared reticent about embracing the new plan.
“Today marks an important step toward restoring healthcare choices and affordability back to the American people,” press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement. “President Trump looks forward to working with both Chambers of Congress to repeal and replace Obamacare.”
Republicans now own healthcare with this bootleg replacement for Obamacare.....when this fails Trump is going to blame Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and other Republican Congressmen because thats who he is. This failure will hopefully motivate people to turn out to vote out the Republicans during 2018 and 2020
