The official Gun/Firearm discussion/appreciation thread

[janklow]

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

well, you ARE going to have firearms it's not a simple matter to slap a red dot on that someone might training to shoot at a target that might shoot back with. probably also depends on what kind of training you're doing?

but it's a fact that people do seem to love red dots

 

[janklow]

aimpoint - yes

trujicon - no, unless it's for an ACOG........otherwise their sights cost too much in comparison to actual performance

won't argue the price point but i will say this is why people pass up EoTech/Aimpoint/Trijicon for other options. then again... buy once, cry once.

haven't killed my PA red dot yet, though

 

[The_Jackal]

Old iron sight>>>>>>Red dots

this statement is not particularly true unless u like shooting multiple targets heuristically ( from the hip)

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

I really don't understand the preference for iron sights over scopes

Every red dot I used us unreliable and easily to break. Take Iron sights over red dot all day

 

[blakfyahking]

Old iron sight>>>>>>Red dots

this statement is not particularly true unless u like shooting multiple targets heuristically ( from the hip)

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

I really don't understand the preference for iron sights over scopes

Every red dot I used us unreliable and easily to break. Take Iron sights over red dot all day

In what capacity did u use these sights? and what sights did u use?

it's pretty hard to dispute the proven advantage of optics vs iron sights

but there is a learning curve involved I will admit

 

[JusDre313]

@janklow @The_Jackal

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

 

[The_Jackal]

Old iron sight>>>>>>Red dots

this statement is not particularly true unless u like shooting multiple targets heuristically ( from the hip)

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

I really don't understand the preference for iron sights over scopes

Every red dot I used us unreliable and easily to break. Take Iron sights over red dot all day

In what capacity did u use these sights? and what sights did u use?

it's pretty hard to dispute the proven advantage of optics vs iron sights

but there is a learning curve involved I will admit

Not going to act like an expert when it comes to sights but used my friends and ones issues by army. Completly hates them especially shooting while advancing.

@janklow @The_Jackal

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

Shotgun for home defense? Honestly why?

 

[JusDre313]

Old iron sight>>>>>>Red dots

this statement is not particularly true unless u like shooting multiple targets heuristically ( from the hip)

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

I really don't understand the preference for iron sights over scopes

Every red dot I used us unreliable and easily to break. Take Iron sights over red dot all day

In what capacity did u use these sights? and what sights did u use?

it's pretty hard to dispute the proven advantage of optics vs iron sights

but there is a learning curve involved I will admit

Not going to act like an expert when it comes to sights but used my friends and ones issues by army. Completly hates them especially shooting while advancing.

@janklow @The_Jackal

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

Shotgun for home defense? Honestly why?

more fire power than my glock.. u dont think a shotty is good for home defense? just a question. I am by no means a gun expert

 

[The_Jackal]

Old iron sight>>>>>>Red dots

this statement is not particularly true unless u like shooting multiple targets heuristically ( from the hip)

and anyone training to shoot at targets that may shoot back will def appreciate a decent red dot over iron sights

I really don't understand the preference for iron sights over scopes

Every red dot I used us unreliable and easily to break. Take Iron sights over red dot all day

In what capacity did u use these sights? and what sights did u use?

it's pretty hard to dispute the proven advantage of optics vs iron sights

but there is a learning curve involved I will admit

Not going to act like an expert when it comes to sights but used my friends and ones issues by army. Completly hates them especially shooting while advancing.

@janklow @The_Jackal

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

Shotgun for home defense? Honestly why?

more fire power than my glock.. u dont think a shotty is good for home defense? just a question. I am by no means a gun expert

I personally don't like shotguns so I'm biased but assuming your in a situation where you have to defend your home with your glock it would be easier to store load and allow continuous fire. Yes you'll have more firepower but your only going up against a human not a wild charging animal feel me. That's just my opinion

 

[JusDre313]

^^ i can dig that

 

[The_Jackal]

^^ i can dig that

Yeah comes to defense to me just keep it practical. Shit even with a regular 9mm you have enough rounds to lay down cover fire and advance/retreat to cover. I'm assuming you have a family so even hypothetical speaking you get shot if your wife picks it up she easily be able to aim and fire without recoil.

 

[Will Munny]

I'm no home defense expert, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using a shotgun for home defense. They're pretty nasty at closer range. Granted I've shot more shotgun than other type of gun, even .22 LR so I'm biased.

 

[janklow]

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

The_Jackal is on-point with his advice. if you're most comfortable with handguns, you're probably best off with a handgun for home defense. if you like your Glock, you'll practice with it more and you'll shoot it better under stress. and you'll stop a man with a good-quality PD round. obviously if there's something about it you can tweak (don't know what handguns you have, but maybe, for example, you've got something that you can't slap a light/laser on and want to look into that), you could consider that, but don't discount the handguns for HD.

shotguns get oversold as HD guns because they're imposing as hell and, if you like them, you can get the job done with them. honestly, if it was me and i was picking up a long gun for HD, i would go rifle. little AR with frangible rounds, something like that.

 

[janklow]

I'm no home defense expert, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using a shotgun for home defense. They're pretty nasty at closer range. Granted I've shot more shotgun than other type of gun, even .22 LR so I'm biased.

oh, there's nothing WRONG with them. in this case, you're probably better suited to one for HD than JusDre313 is. but it's like a lot of things with guns: personal preference is important when you have a lot of quality options to choose from.

 

[blakfyahking]

Not going to act like an expert when it comes to sights but used my friends and ones issues by army. Completly hates them especially shooting while advancing.

@janklow @The_Jackal

looking to get a shotty for the crib.. price not really an issue. I got my ccw and a couple handguns. but no rifles or shottys.. suggestions??

Shotgun for home defense? Honestly why?

the bolded is missing context tho

especially when the CCO the Army uses now has been improved substantially in the last 15 yrs

Aimpoints today make the old Aimpoint/Trujicon CCOs me and my Soldiers used during the Iraq invasion look like those cheap $70 sights u can buy in Bass Pro Shop today............back then the big secret was that infantry Soldiers couldn't really shoot well because they were so used to having shit easier with the assistance of optics

even in the latest Army times they talk about Soldiers losing their fundamentals in marksmanship because of the ease of use of optics compared to optics and lack of training

 

[blakfyahking]

@Jusdre313

a lot of people don't consider how a shotgun is best used in different tactical scenarios

for one, u have to consider the walls of where u live and if over-penetration will be an issue

u could use birdshot, but that might not kill an attacker

u could use buckshot, but that might overpenetrate and could be dangerous indoors if u got kids or close neighbors like an apt wall

u could use a slugs, but u need to ensure ur aim is on point and the recoil/plus loading another round might be more difficult vs just using a something easier like a Glock

plus with the Glock u will have more rounds for follow-up shots

Jackal and Janklow are both on point with their advice about shotguns being oversold as HD weapons..........and I agree with the AR as a preferable weapon, that's what I personally use myself

if 40 rounds of .223 hollowpoints don't get the job done, then me and my fam were going to take an L regardless IMO

 

[ghostdog56]

Any of you ever shot a .357 sig I'm thinking about making it my primary carry weapon

 

[banginscrew901]

For the house I got a mossberg pistol grip pump with the heat shroud I love that Damn gun paid 350 for it

 

[janklow]

Jackal and Janklow are both on point with their advice about shotguns being oversold as HD weapons..........and I agree with the AR as a preferable weapon, that's what I personally use myself

if 40 rounds of .223 hollowpoints don't get the job done, then me and my fam were going to take an L regardless IMO

going to go back to using my P556 as an HD gun because i want to take the absurd factor to another level

 

[janklow]

Any of you ever shot a .357 sig I'm thinking about making it my primary carry weapon

so the thing about .357 SIG is that you're probably not getting anything out of that round than you're not getting out of 9mm or .40. and those are likely going to be cheaper rounds with more handgun options. it's one thing for a LEO to carry .357 SIG when someone else is paying for the rounds; it's another if you have to do it yourself.

disclaimer: i don't own anything chambered in .357 SIG.

that said, if you really like it... fuck it, it's a well-performing round and when guys clean 9mm off the shelf hoarding as they panic buy, you'll still likely be able to find .357 SIG. it's not a BAD option.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

http://grabagun.com/smith-and-wesson-mp15-sport-ii-5-56mm-16.html?source=igodigital

My gun brethen, think I'm bout to cop this S & W M&P 15-22 Sport II over the weekend, was gonna cop the regular M&P 15-22 but that shit only shoots .22 caliber and I want that real military, knock a nigga head off type shit. Only downside is I'm gonna have to buy the picatinny rail so I can add a grip to it unlike that M&P Sport I that already comes with that shit included. Any thoughts on this gun? Just checking out the prices of these handguns, shit damn near cost the same as these fucking AR's. Since that's the case, man, fuck a handgun, I live in Texas too.