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Beta;c-10036675 said:
So how does anybody beat jiren at this point?

No one but, there is a new character being introduced in a few episodes so its more than likely that is who will interrupt the tournament.

They wouldn't give a throw away character a toy
 
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..
 
StoneColdMikey;c-10037142 said:
With ultra instinct , how do you even continue this series if they’re stronger than Gods or of equal strength.

in continues more. Villains have always close in power to the Z fighters. it just closes the gap now to where they can square up. but Gran Priest and the angels are another issue. Beerus can very well become a Z fighter too
 
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.
 
The Lonious Monk;c-10037442 said:
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.

The Gods didn't even recognize goku had it before beerus said something. But jiren through this entire tournament has been doing shit sometimes w/o even moving..But maybe so. All I know is goku got that shit with a shitty so far explanation
 
Beta;c-10037559 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10037442 said:
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.

The Gods didn't even recognize goku had it before beerus said something. But jiren through this entire tournament has been doing shit sometimes w/o even moving..But maybe so. All I know is goku got that shit with a shitty so far explanation

I think it's something a little different. Like all Ultra Instinct is, is the ability for a character's body to react without thought. Jiren hasn't really shown that. Like even when he was fighting seriously, the way the depicted his motion and the way they depicted Goku's motion was different. Jiren definitely has something special going on, but it's different than UI. I'm betting we'll get more insight when he fights Hit. It looks like Jiren has a little trouble with Hit's Time Skip, so when Jiren inevitably overcomes it, we'll likely see more about how his power works.
 
Episode 112 summary, with spoilers for episode 111

Dont read if you dont wanna know

The pride and bonds of a Saiyan! Vegeta rescues Cabba!!

Now that Universe 6 has lost Hit, the other universes take advantage and go after them! Amidst this, Vegeta goes to try and rescue his disciple Cabba!!
 
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The Lonious Monk;c-10037442 said:
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.

The simple fact that he knew what was happening to Goku was proof enough that he either has what Goku has or a more refined version of it and just hasn't a need to utilize it. He tanked Gokus knee shot and beam combo with fks given on top of the last punch before his power ran out. Hit looka like he may have figured something out before he inevitably gets taken out since Jirens chest is damaged.
 
Sion;c-10038194 said:
sdotcarter111;c-10038003 said:
Episode 112 summary, with spoilers for episode 111

Dont read if you dont wanna know

The pride and bonds of a Saiyan! Vegeta rescues Cabba!!

Now that Universe 6 has lost Hit, the other universes take advantage and go after them! Amidst this, Vegeta goes to try and rescue his disciple Cabba!!

Shhhiiiieeeeeetttttt but we knew this was coming and I called that with Cabba a few pages ago.

Damn that is NOT good
 
gemini86;c-10038201 said:
Sion;c-10038194 said:
sdotcarter111;c-10038003 said:
Episode 112 summary, with spoilers for episode 111

Dont read if you dont wanna know

The pride and bonds of a Saiyan! Vegeta rescues Cabba!!

Now that Universe 6 has lost Hit, the other universes take advantage and go after them! Amidst this, Vegeta goes to try and rescue his disciple Cabba!!

Shhhiiiieeeeeetttttt but we knew this was coming and I called that with Cabba a few pages ago.

Damn that is NOT good

You saying bad writing not good or uni7 is in trouble not good lol? Trying not to read those.
 
iron man1;c-10038513 said:
gemini86;c-10038201 said:
Sion;c-10038194 said:
sdotcarter111;c-10038003 said:
Episode 112 summary, with spoilers for episode 111

Dont read if you dont wanna know

The pride and bonds of a Saiyan! Vegeta rescues Cabba!!

Now that Universe 6 has lost Hit, the other universes take advantage and go after them! Amidst this, Vegeta goes to try and rescue his disciple Cabba!!

Shhhiiiieeeeeetttttt but we knew this was coming and I called that with Cabba a few pages ago.

Damn that is NOT good

You saying bad writing not good or uni7 is in trouble not good lol? Trying not to read those.

No it’s not bad writing. It’s actuslly realistic. That’s a big blow to that team. They gonna be food
 
iron man1;c-10038121 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10037442 said:
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.

The simple fact that he knew what was happening to Goku was proof enough that he either has what Goku has or a more refined version of it and just hasn't a need to utilize it. He tanked Gokus knee shot and beam combo with fks given on top of the last punch before his power ran out. Hit looka like he may have figured something out before he inevitably gets taken out since Jirens chest is damaged.

lol Don't you see that your description of what happened proves that Jiren doesn't have Ultra Instinct. The ONLY thing that UI does is allow the user to move any part of his body without having to think about it. That's it. Whis confirmed that. When he first pegged Goku as having perfected UI, he pointed out that UI didn't explain the new heat/energy coming from Goku. So the actual transformation wasn't really due to UI.

It makes no sense to say that Jiren knows UI. Half the fight, he didn't even dodge anything, he just tanked everything. The rest of the time, he seemed to be alternating between using some unseeable force to deflect attacks and pure speed to dodge. There is a pretty clear difference in how Goku's movements were depicted and how Jiren's are. They clearly aren't doing the same thing.

 
The Lonious Monk;c-10038617 said:
iron man1;c-10038121 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10037442 said:
Beta;c-10037116 said:
I feel like when the spirit bomb imploded the fact that jiren has ultra instinct, goku absorbed it somehow when he fell in the black hole and he temporarily possessed what makes jiren so great..

Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct. He's just very powerful. If he did, the GoDs would have recognized it.

The simple fact that he knew what was happening to Goku was proof enough that he either has what Goku has or a more refined version of it and just hasn't a need to utilize it. He tanked Gokus knee shot and beam combo with fks given on top of the last punch before his power ran out. Hit looka like he may have figured something out before he inevitably gets taken out since Jirens chest is damaged.

lol Don't you see that your description of what happened proves that Jiren doesn't have Ultra Instinct. The ONLY thing that UI does is allow the user to move any part of his body without having to think about it. That's it. Whis confirmed that. When he first pegged Goku as having perfected UI, he pointed out that UI didn't explain the new heat/energy coming from Goku. So the actual transformation wasn't really due to UI.

It makes no sense to say that Jiren knows UI. Half the fight, he didn't even dodge anything, he just tanked everything. The rest of the time, he seemed to be alternating between using some unseeable force to deflect attacks and pure speed to dodge. There is a pretty clear difference in how Goku's movements were depicted and how Jiren's are. They clearly aren't doing the same thing.

Here we go lol.....
 
The movements jiren has shown since the beginning of arc plus what Whis says and the way God’s react to both Goku and jiren fight all but confirms that jiren has UI or is a master at it .
 
StoneColdMikey;c-10039117 said:
The movements jiren has shown since the beginning of arc plus what Whis says and the way God’s react to both Goku and jiren fight all but confirms that jiren has UI or is a master at it .

I agree with this, but none of this is confirmed so I can't cosign you or Lonious Monks posts. Like @gemini86 says, just watch and see
 

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