The Official Dragonball Super Thread (All my DBZ fans come in here)

[jono]

 

[jono]

1. It was mentioned TWICE that Zamasu was weakening. TWICE that his body was unstable and falling apart.

Trunks isn't stronger than Vegito. Vegito defused before he could finish the job (which would have been anti-climatic in the end because he was clearly stronger than Zamasu.)

2. The Elder Kai + Witch fusion is likely not canon and a product of filler.

3. Trunks gathered energy from Goku, Vegeta and all the others.. CONCENTRATED it into his sword and used to attack a WEAKENED Zamasu. Half of Zamasu's body was falling apart, literally he lost a great deal of power.

4. Trunks repeatedly reaching new heights from rage boosts and "hope power" is no different than all the shit Goku and Gohan did throughout DB and DBZ. Relax, emotions and determination equal power in the DB universe.

5. Vegito using too much power and his fusion failing is the same thing that happens to Gotenks several times in DBZ. The potara has limits, chances are Zamasu also reached that limit, we shall see.

6. I got nothing for the Spirit Bomb formation. They need to explain that, and likely won't.

 

[TheRicanKing]

Ima need the next episode to explain all the power ups Trunks got in this entire arc cause this nigga gotta be using cheat codes smh lol

Not gonna happen. They were complete asspulls. lol

In essence the power of everyone past and present powered Trunks enough that he was able to use a genki-dama like attack to defeat Zamasu. On top of that he received the full kit of fully healed Goku and Vegeta. That's essentially all the spirit bomb is/was I don't think it was exclusive to only Goku just as long as something or someone of pure heart can gather energy from others like that. I guess what Gowasu was saying was that Zamasu's fusion took away his immortality or rendered it weaker. Altogether, Zamasu was getting weaker as the battle continued.

I like that they let Trunks do it because it was his future and timeline.

It's not completely over yet tho.... Zeno showing up makes things interesting.

I've enjoyed the shit out of this arc but this episode was complete buuuuuuuuuuullshit.

1. Elder kai fused with a mortal being to become what he is and its permanent but it looks like elder kai don't know shit about what he's talking about according to Super. Those same rules should apply to merged Zamasu because Black isn't a god technically.

2. How in the hell can Trunks not only hold off Merged Zamasu who was pushing back Vegito (even tho it looks like Vegito wasn't trying) to making a Spirit Bomb that Goku went through extensive training to learn?

3. Trunks did a Spirit Bomb from a nearly dead planet and it was able to kill Zamasu who is much more stronger than Kid Buu that it took a planet filled with life to kill.

I'm glad Trunks got the kill but the power inconsistencies and deus ex machinas hurt this arc.

They could have had Vegeta kill that nigga in the trillest ways and you niggas wouldn't have been satisfied and would have found something about it to complain about.

1. We still don't know much about the kais to begin with, but Zamasu merging hurt his body making it partially mortal. His power was based on rage and hatred. Trunks' attack was based on the good and hope of the people. I like that in DBS it's not so much about "strength" but more about strategy and other means. Look at the Tournament arc. Hell we didn't even know Vegito's transformation would last less than 10 minutes because of the surge in power.

2. Maybe Zamasu isn't as strong as we believed ? Seemed to me like he was getting weaker because of black's body hence why he was turning purple and shit. Trunks held off SSJR Black and Merged Zamasu earlier so I don't get what the issue is. He's not as weak as niggas think, his transformation apparently makes him that fuckin strong.

3. Trunks basically used the power of good and hope to beat Zamasu on top of that he was at full power and also given the full power of Goku and Vegeta to topple an already weakening Zamasu. Krillen & Gohan once used the Spirit Bomb on fuckin Vegeta even tho Goku was unable to fight, they could control the power of good because they had pure hearts.

Overall, I'm satisfied with it and didn't want to see the same old Vegito or fuckin Goku of all people saving the day. I like that they threw a twist in there and let Trunks do it. Just like with the Cell saga when they let Gohan have the glory.

The difference with Gohan is that it was heavily foreshadowed throughout the entire series building to the Cell Games that Gohan was going to surpass Goku and it came to head.

Gohan and Krillen were given the spirit bomb after it was already made by Goku btw.

And what are you talking about? Good and hope of the people? That only works for the Spirit Bomb! lol All Trunks did in these fights to get power ups was getting mad! To get God Ki it's already established that rage doesn't give you access to that power.

Really all Toei had to do was have a few more scenes of Trunks discussing God Ki with Goku Vegeta and Beerus with some training mixed in. It would make perfect sense.

They practically made Trunks a Mary Sue in this arc.

I'm not a fan of the constant bitching and complaining as much as the other guy until at least it's over but the arc deserved a much more fleshed out ending than that.

 

[jono]

This was a dope monologue. Zamasu's half melted face is a symbol explaining the duality and what Zamasu struggles with. Not just in that moment but what he thought about while brewing that damn tea

 

[OmegaConflict]

I hope Gowasu dies in next week ep.

 

[MrCrookedLetter]

I hope Gowasu dies in next week ep.

Real shit I was thinking about this earlier, like if he was to accidentally get blow up by a random energy blast or get hit by a car, I wouldn't be mad

 

[Beta]

Lol dragonball turns every powerful being into a sideline commentator, irrelevant, or comic relief at some point

Roshi

Korin

King Kai

Supreme kai

Old kai

Gowasu

Beerus heading there lol

 

[TheRicanKing]

1. It was mentioned TWICE that Zamasu was weakening. TWICE that his body was unstable and falling apart.

Trunks isn't stronger than Vegito. Vegito defused before he could finish the job (which would have been anti-climatic in the end because he was clearly stronger than Zamasu.)

2. The Elder Kai + Witch fusion is likely not canon and a product of filler.

3. Trunks gathered energy from Goku, Vegeta and all the others.. CONCENTRATED it into his sword and used to attack a WEAKENED Zamasu. Half of Zamasu's body was falling apart, literally he lost a great deal of power.

4. Trunks repeatedly reaching new heights from rage boosts and "hope power" is no different than all the shit Goku and Gohan did throughout DB and DBZ. Relax, emotions and determination equal power in the DB universe.

5. Vegito using too much power and his fusion failing is the same thing that happens to Gotenks several times in DBZ. The potara has limits, chances are Zamasu also reached that limit, we shall see.

6. I got nothing for the Spirit Bomb formation. They need to explain that, and likely won't.

2. It is canon.

3. I knew this already but it's bullshit. Reminds me of the way Broly got done by Goku in the first movie too lol.

4. Goku and Gohan made complete sense and it wasn't used every episode like this arc practically did. Hopefully we have some explanation to Trunks power ups soon.

5. Retconned, nothing to be said here. I don't have to like it. But nonetheless..

6. :|

 

[jono]

1. It was mentioned TWICE that Zamasu was weakening. TWICE that his body was unstable and falling apart.

Trunks isn't stronger than Vegito. Vegito defused before he could finish the job (which would have been anti-climatic in the end because he was clearly stronger than Zamasu.)

2. The Elder Kai + Witch fusion is likely not canon and a product of filler.

3. Trunks gathered energy from Goku, Vegeta and all the others.. CONCENTRATED it into his sword and used to attack a WEAKENED Zamasu. Half of Zamasu's body was falling apart, literally he lost a great deal of power.

4. Trunks repeatedly reaching new heights from rage boosts and "hope power" is no different than all the shit Goku and Gohan did throughout DB and DBZ. Relax, emotions and determination equal power in the DB universe.

5. Vegito using too much power and his fusion failing is the same thing that happens to Gotenks several times in DBZ. The potara has limits, chances are Zamasu also reached that limit, we shall see.

6. I got nothing for the Spirit Bomb formation. They need to explain that, and likely won't.

2. It is canon.

3. I knew this already but it's bullshit. Reminds me of the way Broly got done by Goku in the first movie too lol.

4. Goku and Gohan made complete sense and it wasn't used every episode like this arc practically did. Hopefully we have some explanation to Trunks power ups soon.

5. Retconned, nothing to be said here. I don't have to like it. But nonetheless..

6. :|

I'm going to need you to prove its canon just for the sake of argument.

Trunks isn't a character that's around that often. It needed to be microwaved. They made it clear that Trunks saw this Goku Black thing as his responsibility, and that he intended on doing whatever he could to win.

Its almost literally the same thing Gohan had during the Cell Games. He was the last one standing and the fate of everyone rested on him.

Theres a scene where Frieza is drowning Goku in DBZ and Goku realizes he's the last one capable of winning.


It wasn't as drawn out but Trunks saw the reflection of those kids in that broken sword and realized he had to do It.

All this butthurt is coming from Vegito fans. It was a fitting end to battle. Trunks was owed that W for all the Ls he caught. He was made whole.

 

[Beta]

Thank God for those annoying ass kids that I wished starved to death ehhh?

Do they even have names?

 

[LcnsdbyROYALTY]

Thank God for those annoying ass kids that I wished starved to death ehhh?

Do they even have names?

Bruh... I can't stand them kids

 

[OmegaConflict]

I wish I knew what ret conned meant ..head canon? Who comes up with this shit

 

[LcnsdbyROYALTY]

I wish I knew what ret conned meant ..head canon? Who comes up with this shit

Retroactive continuity. Basically, it's the act of contradicting something already firmly established in a story's past.

 

[Beta]

I wish I knew what ret conned meant ..head canon? Who comes up with this shit

Retroactive continuity. Basically, it's the act of contradicting something already firmly established in a story's past.

Aka shitty writing

 

[texas409]

man Trunks got energy from the 12 people left on the planet a small flower and an android and that was enough to kill Zamasu lol foh

 

[TheRicanKing]

1. It was mentioned TWICE that Zamasu was weakening. TWICE that his body was unstable and falling apart.

Trunks isn't stronger than Vegito. Vegito defused before he could finish the job (which would have been anti-climatic in the end because he was clearly stronger than Zamasu.)

2. The Elder Kai + Witch fusion is likely not canon and a product of filler.

3. Trunks gathered energy from Goku, Vegeta and all the others.. CONCENTRATED it into his sword and used to attack a WEAKENED Zamasu. Half of Zamasu's body was falling apart, literally he lost a great deal of power.

4. Trunks repeatedly reaching new heights from rage boosts and "hope power" is no different than all the shit Goku and Gohan did throughout DB and DBZ. Relax, emotions and determination equal power in the DB universe.

5. Vegito using too much power and his fusion failing is the same thing that happens to Gotenks several times in DBZ. The potara has limits, chances are Zamasu also reached that limit, we shall see.

6. I got nothing for the Spirit Bomb formation. They need to explain that, and likely won't.

2. It is canon.

3. I knew this already but it's bullshit. Reminds me of the way Broly got done by Goku in the first movie too lol.

4. Goku and Gohan made complete sense and it wasn't used every episode like this arc practically did. Hopefully we have some explanation to Trunks power ups soon.

5. Retconned, nothing to be said here. I don't have to like it. But nonetheless..

6. :|

I'm going to need you to prove its canon just for the sake of argument.

Trunks isn't a character that's around that often. It needed to be microwaved. They made it clear that Trunks saw this Goku Black thing as his responsibility, and that he intended on doing whatever he could to win.

Its almost literally the same thing Gohan had during the Cell Games. He was the last one standing and the fate of everyone rested on him.

Theres a scene where Frieza is drowning Goku in DBZ and Goku realizes he's the last one capable of winning.


It wasn't as drawn out but Trunks saw the reflection of those kids in that broken sword and realized he had to do It.

All this butthurt is coming from Vegito fans. It was a fitting end to battle. Trunks was owed that W for all the Ls he caught. He was made whole.

I don't have access to the manga but it should be in Volume 24.

And I respectfully disagree with your comparison to Gohan's situation because as I've said that was properly built up and foreshadowed. Episode 66 was super fast paced with retcons , deus ex machinas and random shit (spirit bomb). This ain't really buthurt it's fair criticism this episode is getting unlike the past ones bar the animation issues. Even mofos on YouTube that are huge fans like us are saying "Wtf this doesn't make sense but it's cool and epic Lolo lol"

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I wish I knew what ret conned meant ..head canon? Who comes up with this shit

Retroactive continuity. Basically, it's the act of contradicting something already firmly established in a story's past.

Aka shitty writing

This would be true if you were talking about a story written in a single book or even a trilogy of books, but when you're talking about stories written across as many arcs as you get in long running comics or manga, it's almost impossible not to have retcons from time to time.

Retcons aren't automatically shitty writing. It depends how they are done. In this case, it shouldn't be seen as that big of a deal. Keep in mind that, the Potora earrings aren't something that mortals ever encounter, so the knowledge of how they would affect two mortals was understandably not very widely known. So it's perfectly reasonable writing for Elder Kai to have simply been wrong. The Kais are not omniscient and have already been shown to be capable of being wrong or ignorant about something.

 

[jono]

1. It was mentioned TWICE that Zamasu was weakening. TWICE that his body was unstable and falling apart.

Trunks isn't stronger than Vegito. Vegito defused before he could finish the job (which would have been anti-climatic in the end because he was clearly stronger than Zamasu.)

2. The Elder Kai + Witch fusion is likely not canon and a product of filler.

3. Trunks gathered energy from Goku, Vegeta and all the others.. CONCENTRATED it into his sword and used to attack a WEAKENED Zamasu. Half of Zamasu's body was falling apart, literally he lost a great deal of power.

4. Trunks repeatedly reaching new heights from rage boosts and "hope power" is no different than all the shit Goku and Gohan did throughout DB and DBZ. Relax, emotions and determination equal power in the DB universe.

5. Vegito using too much power and his fusion failing is the same thing that happens to Gotenks several times in DBZ. The potara has limits, chances are Zamasu also reached that limit, we shall see.

6. I got nothing for the Spirit Bomb formation. They need to explain that, and likely won't.

2. It is canon.

3. I knew this already but it's bullshit. Reminds me of the way Broly got done by Goku in the first movie too lol.

4. Goku and Gohan made complete sense and it wasn't used every episode like this arc practically did. Hopefully we have some explanation to Trunks power ups soon.

5. Retconned, nothing to be said here. I don't have to like it. But nonetheless..

6. :|

I'm going to need you to prove its canon just for the sake of argument.

Trunks isn't a character that's around that often. It needed to be microwaved. They made it clear that Trunks saw this Goku Black thing as his responsibility, and that he intended on doing whatever he could to win.

Its almost literally the same thing Gohan had during the Cell Games. He was the last one standing and the fate of everyone rested on him.

Theres a scene where Frieza is drowning Goku in DBZ and Goku realizes he's the last one capable of winning.


It wasn't as drawn out but Trunks saw the reflection of those kids in that broken sword and realized he had to do It.

All this butthurt is coming from Vegito fans. It was a fitting end to battle. Trunks was owed that W for all the Ls he caught. He was made whole.

I don't have access to the manga but it should be in Volume 24.

And I respectfully disagree with your comparison to Gohan's situation because as I've said that was properly built up and foreshadowed. Episode 66 was super fast paced with retcons , deus ex machinas and random shit (spirit bomb). This ain't really buthurt it's fair criticism this episode is getting unlike the past ones bar the animation issues. Even mofos on YouTube that are huge fans like us are saying "Wtf this doesn't make sense but it's cool and epic Lolo lol"

Mfs on youtube and other sites have kneejerk reactions, I have provided samples and proofs.

Trunks winning was foreshadowed over and over again now that I think about it.

When Trunks was training wit Vegeta and he saw the blue form for the first time he had a sigh of relief. In context he believed that Goku & Vegeta will defeat Black for him and there was no reason for him to become stronger...

Vegeta gets pissed at this...


This was 12 eps ago.

Following seeing Goku and Vegeta fail at SSB, Trunks powers up to a new level. Motivated by his desire to save his own time...


That 5 eps ago.

Y'all haven't been paying attention. Trunks was the hero the whole time.

The Father - Son Gallick Gun. Trunks says "My power, be a shield to save the world, the humans..." then they show the sword in the ground after Zamasu broke it.


They didn't have 100 eps to build to it but they foreshadowed this over and over again.

DBS KILLED this arc, all of these moments most people know off hand if they've been watching, what the knee jerkers have done is fail to put it all together...which is what you're supposed to do...

This is storytelling.

 

[LcnsdbyROYALTY]

I wish I knew what ret conned meant ..head canon? Who comes up with this shit

Retroactive continuity. Basically, it's the act of contradicting something already firmly established in a story's past.

Aka shitty writing

Careful... You know who might take offense to that lol

 

[jono]

They also in their feelings because Vegito didn't win but thats anti-climactic for starters and secondly this is a Trunks story.

Trunks and Zamasu are linked near perfectly. In classic writing the hero and the villain are opposites but are very much alike.

Zamasu- God

Trunks - mortal

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Zamasu - not a strong God but through his own determination and intelligence became the God of Gods in Trunks time.

Trunks - not the strongest saiyan but through his own determination and willpower gained the strength to beat back the wrath of the Gods.

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Zamasu - cut corners (used the dragonballs)

Trunks - work ethic, training and determination

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Zamasu - self absorbed, narcissistic personality

Trunks - self sacrifice, altruistic personality

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Zamasu - fused with himself and only trusted and relied on himself

Trunks - absorbed powers from everyone, knew he couldn't do it alone

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Zamasu - primary weapon is a ki blade

Trunks - primary weapon is a normal iron sword that he later converts to a ki blade

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Zamasu - uses a mortals body to impose the wrath of the Gods

Trunks - uses a bit of God ki to protect the humans