The Official Biggie Vs Jay-Z Thread...

[jek]

lol at everyone pointing out his one verse on Victory, name some other songs niggas where he spazzed out. I can name plenty on Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt

I can post plenty of Big's Album lyrics too if you try me And nobody answer my question still. IF JAY WAS SO RAW THEN HOW COME HE WASN'T BIGGER IN NEW YORK(let alone other spots) THAN BIG WAS(no pun intended)? AND WHY IS JAY FAMOUS FOR BITIN MOST OF HIS SHIT IF BIG WAS SO WEAK ON THE MIC?

 

[usmarin3]

I can post plenty of Big's Album lyrics too if you try me And nobody answer my question still. IF JAY WAS SO RAW THEN HOW COME HE WASN'T BIGGER IN NEW YORK(let alone other spots) THAN BIG WAS(no pun intended)? AND WHY IS JAY FAMOUS FOR BITIN MOST OF HIS SHIT IF BIG WAS SO WEAK ON THE MIC?

That's a stupid ass fucking point, some people have instant success (Big, Snoop,etc) and some artist slow grind to the top (Nas,Jay,Lupe,etc). You act like being popular is necessarily a reflection of skill, Mase was popular than Jay in 1997, do you mean to tell me Mase is better than Jay or Nas? Try a better argument than that weak ass fucking shit.

I love arguing with idiots, lets keep it funky now dude with no bias. Jay is has about 20 albums worth of material, are you gonna come out your face and have the nerve to say most of it is Biggies rhymes. SMH What about all the niggas who have taken from Jay over the years like LIl Wayne, TI, Remy Martin, Fat Joe,etc but no one ever bring that up.Less than 1 percent of dudes rhymes is from Biggies.

BITING IS WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONES LYRICS AND PASS IT OFF AS YOURS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW BIGGIES LYRICS BY NOW YOU NEED TO TURN IN YOUR HIPHOP CARD

 

[jek]

why people get on Game for all the Name droppin then? He just paying homage to people too but Jay get actual bars from the fuckin guy and get a pass. Just stop it with the Bullshit cuz I aint condone Lil Wayne and T.I and them doing it either. As far as my point go...Jay was rarely considered the best back then from the magazines to the people on the streets and Im one of the people that was around in that era so dont think you can come on here and tell me shit! Jay had trouble gettin his shine when Big and Pac was around and that's just the truth. You finna sit here and tell me Vol 1 is better than life after death or RD is better than ready to die? Jay didn't have a classic till Blueprint my nig while Big in the little time he was here never dropped a weak album. He did in 3 years what it took Jay twice the time to do and that's if you count RD as a classic which I dont cause it had 3 or 4tracks on there that did nothing for me

 

[usmarin3]

why people get on Game for all the Name droppin then? He just paying homage to people too but Jay get actual bars from the fuckin guy and get a pass. Just stop it with the Bullshit cuz I aint condone Lil Wayne and T.I and them doing it either. As far as my point go...Jay was rarely considered the best back then from the magazines to the people on the streets and Im one of the people that was around in that era so dont think you can come on here and tell me shit! It's just the truth. JAy had trouble gettin his shine when Big and Pac was around and that's just the truth. You finna sit here and tell me Vol 1 is better than life after death or RD is better than ready to die? Jay didn't have a classic till Blueprint my nig while Big in the little time he was here never dropped a weak album. He did in 3 years what it took Jay twice the time to do

You are getting off tangent with the Game comparison, i don't see what he has to do with the argument. Jay had a relationship with Biggie for one thing, half the nigga that Game raps about can't stand his ass for the sake of entertaining that argument. I have no problem with Lil Wayne,TI,Jay,Nas,etc doing what they do, like i said if you don't know those niggas shit and who the original artist, that's a reflection of a lack of your hiphop knowledge. Here we go with the stupidity again about Jays shine, why is it you niggas only use that excuse for Jays success, how come yall never use it for (50,Dmx,Big Pun,Camron,Mase,and the numerous niggas who have blown up in rap)? Yes Reasonable Doubt is a better fucking album than RTD, Can I live is better than any song on that album period so is Dead Pres. LAD > Vol 1, i'll give you that. SMH at Jay didn't have a classic till Blueprint, stupid shit like that is why i can't have a honest debate because there obviously isn't a drop of objectivity.

Longevity > 3 year run, look at all the niggas who have come and gone will Nas and Jay are still here (dmx, mase, black rob, pun,eve,foxy,lil kim,etc)

 

[Smo-King Locs]

So Jigga does have homo Lyrics? He has not made more quality Music? He has not shown More Versatility? His flow has not evolved way Past Biggie? Has he not become one of the Mainstreams Poster Faces? Is he not Head of his Own Label? Is his Wife not Finer then Biggie's? Has he not made More Money then Biggie? Is he not more successfull? I am just curious as your grounds for disagreement...

... Jay got more quality music,but u acting like big is still alive and choose not make music...Flow wise Jay got Biggie...I'd take Faith over Bey-once any day...

so if that's the case Jigga-Man>>>>>>>>rakim,pac,nas,em,...that's what your saying...

 

[yroholla]

Have you ever heard Big's verse on Victory, that was the epitome of lyricism.

Victory is a classic verse i wont lie. given the beat and the situations around that song the hype of that song is magnified as a whole.... but if we talkin about wordplay and lyricism combined jigga flipped like 4 different meanings along with double meanings throughout that song, not sure if i ever heard anybody do that.

you can tell that verse took alot of thought cause that shit cannot be easy

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

the lack of logic used by those in support of Biggie amaze me, I should have placed a poll...

 

[L.P. Royal Flush]

From style and flow to longetivity and versatility Jigga has alway done what Big Did and better minus the Homo Lyrics. The very fact he is still breathing and 1 of the flagship faces of Mainstream HipHop Proves this fact more. Anyone saying otherwise is either trend jumping, a badboy/biggie groupie, or delusional...

lol you are fuckin stupid

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

lol you are fuckin stupid

aww a trend jumping delusional badboy/biggie groupie...

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

fuck it if Rapmastermind can bump his thread without response 4 times in a row why not do mine for a 2nd, to balance out his fantasy obsession with factual sanity...

 

[Pretty Fred]

Happy Birthday BIG.

As you can see your Arab fanbase is growing!

 

[hrap-120]

lol you are fuckin stupid

Thats not cool

 

[rapmastermind]

RTD> RD

RTD > Vol 1

RTD > Vol 2

RTD > Vol 3

RTD > D

RTD > BP

RTD > BP2

RTD > BA

RTD > KC

RTD > AG

RTD > BP3

LAD > RD

LAD > Vol 1

LAD > Vol 2

LAD > Vol 3

LAD > D

LAD > BP

LAD > BP2

LAD > BA

LAD > KC

LAD > AG

LAD > BP3

B.I.G. > Jay Z

Happy Birthday to the REAL KING OF NEW YORK

"Biggie's ya man and you got the nerve to say you better than BIG......you know the rest"

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

feelings have definitely been caught...

 

[isayas]

rtd> rd
rtd > vol 1
rtd > vol 2
rtd > vol 3
rtd > d
rtd > bp
rtd > bp2
rtd > ba
rtd > kc
rtd > ag
rtd > bp3

lad > rd
lad > vol 1
lad > vol 2
lad > vol 3
lad > d
lad > bp
lad > bp2
lad > ba
lad > kc
lad > ag
lad > bp3

b.i.g. > jay z

happy birthday to the real king of new york

"biggie's ya man and you got the nerve to say you better than big......you know the rest"

fuck outta here.

 

[jek]

You are getting off tangent with the Game comparison, i don't see what he has to do with the argument. Jay had a relationship with Biggie for one thing, half the nigga that Game raps about can't stand his ass for the sake of entertaining that argument. I have no problem with Lil Wayne,TI,Jay,Nas,etc doing what they do, like i said if you don't know those niggas shit and who the original artist, that's a reflection of a lack of your hiphop knowledge. Here we go with the stupidity again about Jays shine, why is it you niggas only use that excuse for Jays success, how come yall never use it for (50,Dmx,Big Pun,Camron,Mase,and the numerous niggas who have blown up in rap)? Yes Reasonable Doubt is a better fucking album than RTD, Can I live is better than any song on that album period so is Dead Pres. LAD > Vol 1, i'll give you that. SMH at Jay didn't have a classic till Blueprint, stupid shit like that is why i can't have a honest debate because there obviously isn't a drop of objectivity.

Longevity > 3 year run, look at all the niggas who have come and gone will Nas and Jay are still here (dmx, mase, black rob, pun,eve,foxy,lil kim,etc)

No can I live isnt fag. Ill give you dead Presidents tho but the album as a whole being better that's just your opinion and Big had way better beats than Reasonable Dought. I always skip 3 or 4 tracks on that shit just cuz of that alone let alone the stupid shit like 22 twos and Aint no nigga is horrible. fuck outta here with that. If I have to skip more than 1 or 2 then no it's not no classic. It was just a very good album where he rap decent but some of the production didn't match up well with his flow pace at time and other times his mainstream concepts was eh. He didn't start making those better till Vol 2. Your opinions are just bunk. talkin bout longevity at the end like Big just quit rappin. THE NIGGA GOT MERKED OUT stfu, that aint Big's fault. If Big was still here and Jay got assasinated in 06 would yall be kickin that same shit? naw cuz he woulda been left with a RD and a wack ass vol . Big left with 2 solid joints

 

[nyst8ofmin]

pure fact. or did you mean pure opinion.

the two cannot be compared to eachother. plus, ummmmmmmm BIGGIE WAS KILLED BEFORE HIS 2nd ALBUM DROPPED. how the hell can you compare the two?

t/s seems like an attention whore.

 

[5th Letter]

pure fact. or did you mean pure opinion.

the two cannot be compared to eachother. plus, ummmmmmmm BIGGIE WAS KILLED BEFORE HIS 2nd ALBUM DROPPED. how the hell can you compare the two?

t/s seems like an attention whore.

This is a semi trolling thread to make Biggie fans "catch feelings".

 

[nyst8ofmin]

let alone the stupid shit like 22 twos and Aint no nigga is horrible. fuck outta here with that.

WOW. 22 twos was monumental when it dropped. maybe if you were 9 years old in 96 and didnt hear the album until 2002 when you were old enuff to appreciate it, i could understand that....wait, i cannot understand that. even aint no nigga was incredible. he killt that jodeci beat which was half the appeal. i realize its all subjective but thats ridiculous.

 

[beats&rhymes]

Silly ass thread but damn, smh at the amount of people here that take quantity over quality. In my opinion Ready To Die > Jay's whole catalogue.