The Official Biggie Vs Jay-Z Thread...

[southsil4lil]

Its like Jason Williams From Duke, Number 2 Pick, All The Talent In The World And Showed Flashes Of Being An Allstar In The League But Had His Career Cut Way To Short Due To That Motorcycle Crash So Well Never Know How Good He Could Have Been.....The Only Thing He Have Are The Flashes And Signs........Same Thing Wit Big

Big>>>>>>Pre-Blueprint Jay-z

Jay-Z Post Blueprint>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Big

Im Sorry Yall But The Blueprint Put Jay On Another Level

 

[Pretty Fred]

Naw I broke that Dude long ago. He does not want his feelings hurt anymore then the truth of this thread is already doing. All arguments on Biggies side are based on he would have, was going to, almost did, but did not get a chance to. Not one dude has argued content, flow, styles, lyrical skill etc..naw just the Fantasy Factor and Impact which is even more debateable. Kills me because for every one with a argument based on fiction just know that an infinte more can be made from just as varied a spectrums. In the end only things that can be argued with substance to the matter is completely ignored...

Whats your point? lol, your only reason why Jay is better is because hes alive?!, hahaaahaa wtf is that?

Even your arab self knows Big laid the blueprint for every rapper today. And its still being followed, u mad?

 

[jek]

Before Big died Him, Jay, and Charlie B-More was suppose to be a group called "The Commision" and it was supose to be on some Firm (nas ,az ,and foxy) shit. If they woulda did that album Im positive that Big woulda did his thing and Jay was gonna look like his little man on that shit. If you listen to that verse on Victory Big was steppin up even more than he did on BK finest. I just think Jay and Charlie was gonna have a tough time not gettin outshined if he wouldna died before that album came about. It's not even like Im a Biggie fan like that but everybody actin like Jay Z is just this untouchable rapper when even Beans was outshining him all through the Dynasty album so cut it out with the bullshitness yall, PLEASE!!

 

[usmarin3]

Before Big died Him, Jay, and Charlie B-More was suppose to be a group called "The Commision" and it was supose to be on some Firm (nas ,az ,and foxy) shit. If they woulda did that album Im positive that Big woulda did his thing and Jay was gonna look like his little man on that shit. If you listen to that verse on Victory Big was steppin up even more than he did on BK finest. I just think Jay and Charlie was gonna have a tough time not gettin outshined if he wouldna died before that album came about. It's not even like Im a Biggie fan like that but everybody actin like Jay Z is just this untouchable rapper when even Beans was outshining him all through the Dynasty album so cut it out with the bullshitness yall, PLEASE!!

Nah dude, to this day I still stand by the fact that both Jay and Nas are nicer than big, they were way better lyricist period. The thing that BIG had going for him was his flow and charisma, but as far as raw rhyming, he wasn't that great a lyricist. Ready to Die sounds dated as fuck now, dudes delivery and lyrics sound rudamentary.

 

[Pretty Fred]

Nah dude, to this day I still stand by the fact that both Jay and Nas are nicer than big, they were way better lyricist period. The thing that BIG had going for him was his flow and charisma, but as far as raw rhyming, he wasn't that great a lyricist. Ready to Die sounds dated as fuck now, dudes delivery and lyrics sound rudamentary.

What makes you say that?

The real rhyming displayed on that album that doesn't exist today?

No auto-tune?

Real raw-gritty beats without synths and hand-claps to shake ya ass in the club?

The actual point and theme to the overall album, which artist today somehow forgot to implement in their own albums?

If it is not one of these things please tell me why you think it sounds "dated as f*ck"

 

[usmarin3]

What makes you say that?

The real rhyming displayed on that album that doesn't exist today?

No auto-tune?

Real raw-gritty beats without synths and hand-claps to shake ya ass in the club?

The actual point and theme to the overall album, which artist today somehow forgot to implement in their own albums?

If it is not one of these things please tell me why you think it sounds "dated as f*ck"

Listen to the niggas flow, yelling on the tracks and shit and the beats sound dated as fuck, that album has not aged well. Biggie had his moments when he excelled lyrically like Victory but you gonna tell me Ready to die is anywhere near Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt lyrically, i think not. Like i said ill give Biggie flow, storytelling and charisma, but he was not a consistently great lyricist like that.

 

[jek]

Listen to the niggas flow, yelling on the tracks and shit and the beats sound dated as fuck, that album has not aged well. Biggie had his moments when he excelled lyrically like Victory but you gonna tell me Ready to die is anywhere near Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt lyrically, i think not. Like i said ill give Biggie flow, storytelling and charisma, but he was not a consistently great lyricist like that.

You sound like one of those people that are just mezmorized by the Fast rappin and think that's better lyrics. I'll but the track "Unbelievable" against any track on RD and I gurantee you Unbelievable dont get shit on terribly. I'll but "Kick in the door" against Any track on VOL 1 also. I wont even talk about who shot cha cause that wouldn't be fare to Jay.Big was always a little harder than him. He probably so glad Big died so he can shine. and again...If Jay was that great why was he so irrelevant when they both was alive? Nobody has answer that yet cuz deep down yall niggaz know Big was that nigga on the east like him or not. And Pac crushed both guys but that's not here nor there.

 

[Pretty Fred]

Listen to the niggas flow, yelling on the tracks and shit and the beats sound dated as fuck, that album has not aged well. Biggie had his moments when he excelled lyrically like Victory but you gonna tell me Ready to die is anywhere near Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt lyrically, i think not. Like i said ill give Biggie flow, storytelling and charisma, but he was not a consistently great lyricist like that.

1. Yes I do think it is equal to/better than illmatic.

2. Reasonable Doubt comes out 2 years after RtD, Jay has an advantage.

 

[5th Letter]

Its like Jason Williams From Duke, Number 2 Pick, All The Talent In The World And Showed Flashes Of Being An Allstar In The League But Had His Career Cut Way To Short Due To That Motorcycle Crash So Well Never Know How Good He Could Have Been.....The Only Thing He Have Are The Flashes And Signs........Same Thing Wit Big

Big>>>>>>Pre-Blueprint Jay-z

Jay-Z Post Blueprint>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Big

Im Sorry Yall But The Blueprint Put Jay On Another Level

Was Jason Williams ever considered one of the greats in his sport? Did he help revolutionize the game? This might be the worst analogy ever.

 

[rapmastermind]

Nah dude, to this day I still stand by the fact that both Jay and Nas are nicer than big, they were way better lyricist period. The thing that BIG had going for him was his flow and charisma, but as far as raw rhyming, he wasn't that great a lyricist. Ready to Die sounds dated as fuck now, dudes delivery and lyrics sound rudamentary.

Biggie is considered one of Hip Hop Greatest Lyricist. What are you talking about? SMH @ "Ready To Die Sounds Dated". Classics are Classics man, they don't get old. You can still play that album all the way through. It's one of rap's greatest artistic achievements. In a Head to Head in 94, "Ready To Die" had more impact on the game than 'ILLmatic" though both are masterpieces. Biggie had one of the best verses on "Reasonable Doubt" yet it's better than "Ready To Die"? No. Jay Z again never saw a platinum award until Biggie stopped breathing. Again you can feel what you want about "Ready To Die" but that album changed rap music and was sick from top to bottom. Damn near flawless.

 

[rapmastermind]

Listen to the niggas flow, yelling on the tracks and shit and the beats sound dated as fuck, that album has not aged well. Biggie had his moments when he excelled lyrically like Victory but you gonna tell me Ready to die is anywhere near Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt lyrically, i think not. Like i said ill give Biggie flow, storytelling and charisma, but he was not a consistently great lyricist like that.

Lyricsim is only one aspect that makes an album great. "Ready To Die" had it all and LOL @ Biggie not being a consistantly great lyricist yet the entire rap game can't keep his lyrics out their mouth's including Jay Z and NaS the two you mentioned. How can Biggie be that sampled lyrically but not be a great lyricist? It just doesn't add up man. You don't sample someone who's weak at lyricisim. Biggie was the Ali of the East. Jay Z and NaS were not bigger than Him while he was alive. As for this debate, what does Jay Z do better than Biggie? His flow isn't better. His storytelling isn't anywhere near Big. His chrisma is there but Big was way more witty and had more chrisma. The only thing Jay got on Biggie is he's still alive. Biggie was agrueable the most complete rapper of all time. As for their callabo's, Jay did hold his own but outshine Big? No

 

[usmarin3]

Lyricsim is only one aspect that makes an album great. "Ready To Die" had it all and LOL @ Biggie not being a consistantly great lyricist yet the entire rap game can't keep his lyrics out their mouth's including Jay Z and NaS the two you mentioned. How can Biggie be that sampled lyrically but not be a great lyricist? It just doesn't add up man. You don't sample someone who's weak at lyricisim. Biggie was the Ali of the East. Jay Z and NaS were not bigger than Him while he was alive. As for this debate, what does Jay Z do better than Biggie? His flow isn't better. His storytelling isn't anywhere near Big. His chrisma is there but Big was way more witty and had more chrisma. The only thing Jay got on Biggie is he's still alive. Biggie was agrueable the most complete rapper of all time. As for their callabo's, Jay did hold his own but outshine Big? No

Lots of people are sampled but that doesnt make them great lyricist, Fat Joe is sampled, so is Snoop, and i don't consider none of them great lyricists. Biggie was Bigger than Nas and Jay because Biggie had the hottest young exec and a genius (Puffy) backing him, Biggie didnt even want to rhyme of the Juicy beat for god sakes. Jay has a long catalog, way better wordplay, double entandres, vocab, multiple flows, stage presence, longevity,etc. Like i said there are alot of rappers better than Biggie period, Biggie just had the right situation to enhance his legacy (death, and Puffy's ear for whats hot and marketing).

 

[yroholla]

Biggie has never dropped anything ,wordplay and lyrics combined, as hard as what Jay spit on Pressure on Lupes Food and Liquor.

Some lines had like 4 different meanings.....real niggas who listen to lyrics know what im talkin about.

 

[The Smooth One]

From style and flow to longetivity and versatility BIG has alway done what Jay Did and better minus someone else's Lyrics. ...

Fixed that for you.

Jigga is nice, but I'm mad you talkin bout "the fact he's still alive" has any bearing.

Side note: Was I the only one feeling like BE3 sounded manufactured?

 

[usmarin3]

Fixed that for you.

Jigga is nice, but I'm mad you talkin bout "the fact he's still alive" has any bearing.

Side note: Was I the only one feeling like BE3 sounded manufactured?

You mean BP3, what about it?

 

[5th Letter]

Biggie has never dropped anything ,wordplay and lyrics combined, as hard as what Jay spit on Pressure on Lupes Food and Liquor.

Some lines had like 4 different meanings.....real niggas who listen to lyrics know what im talkin about.

Have you ever heard Big's verse on Victory, that was the epitome of lyricism.

 

[usmarin3]

lol at everyone pointing out his one verse on Victory, name some other songs niggas where he spazzed out. I can name plenty on Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt

 

[rapmastermind]

lol at everyone pointing out his one verse on Victory, name some other songs niggas where he spazzed out. I can name plenty on Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt

Your Nobody Till Somebody Kills U

My Downfall

Long Kiss Goodnight

Do you listen to Music or just skim through it? Big spazzed out damn near everytime he touch the damn mic.

 

[usmarin3]

Your Nobody Till Somebody Kills U

My Downfall

Long Kiss Goodnight

Do you listen to Music or just skim through it? Big spazzed out damn near everytime he touch the damn mic.

SMH don't give me that nonsense dude, i can recite LOD word for word. None of those songs you name are lyrical masterpieces, just flow and delivery. Yall actling like he is spitting a Verbal Intercouse Nas like verse

 

[5th Letter]

lol at everyone pointing out his one verse on Victory, name some other songs niggas where he spazzed out. I can name plenty on Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt

Notorious Thugs

Cant Stop The Reign

You'll See

Flava In Ya Ear remix

The Points

B Side

But based on what he said about Big not having verses with double meanings and shit I had to pull out Victory, that verse was filled with double meanings.