The Official Biggie Vs Jay-Z Thread...

[jonlakadeadmic]

Jay > Biggie

but Biggie is in my top 5

 

[1of1]

Ahahahahaaaha he said longer jevity

 

[1of1]

sMH @ niggas using some kind of projection formula to prove B.I.G. is better than Jay.
FV = PV(1+r)^t

You won't be able to justify where you got the r from though.

 

[just.might.b.ok]

at what????

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Soloman...you got the shield ready? Prepared for attack?

You know RAPmastermind is gonna come in here with a dissertation about why this thread is wrong....

Naw I broke that Dude long ago. He does not want his feelings hurt anymore then the truth of this thread is already doing. All arguments on Biggies side are based on he would have, was going to, almost did, but did not get a chance to. Not one dude has argued content, flow, styles, lyrical skill etc..naw just the Fantasy Factor and Impact which is even more debateable. Kills me because for every one with a argument based on fiction just know that an infinte more can be made from just as varied a spectrums. In the end only things that can be argued with substance to the matter is completely ignored...

 

[rapmastermind]

Ready To Die and Life After Death > Jay's 2 Classics

Jay better than Big? Doubtful. No matter how many #1 albums Jay gets, he will forever be in Big's Shadow because during the time Big was ruling Hip Hop, Jay was sidekick status. Biggie put Jay Z on his 1st platinum album which was Lil' Kim debut. Biggie put Jay on his 1st mutiplatinum album which was "Life After Death". Also I laugh at dudes saying Jay is better than Big lyrically when Jay can't keep Big's lyrics out his mouth. Also just because Jay released more albums doesn't mean he's better than Biggie. So is Master P better than Biggie cause he released 10 LP's? It's about Quality. Again Jay BEST TWO aren't better than Big's 1st two. Jay's Best album is not better than Biggie's best. Jay's double album is weed plate Material and Big's is a timeless masterpiece. Biggie died at 24 and changed Hip Hop, it took Jay a decade to do what Biggie did before he was 25 (Jay though in the game before Big didn't drop till he was 27). Jay also took Biggie's style and forumals and ran with them which is why the yellow brick road was paved for Jay by Biggie. Better than Big? No, The Closet one? Absolutely.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Soloman...you got the shield ready? Prepared for attack?

You know RAPmastermind is gonna come in here with a dissertation about why this thread is wrong....

I was wrong you were right I am man enough to admit that. He was able to overcome to prove his devotion to the fantasy he has of Biggie...

 

[rapmastermind]

I was wrong you were right I am man enough to admit that. He was able to overcome to prove his devotion to the fantasy he has of Biggie...

This thread isn't even about Jay to you, it's another reason for you to hate on Biggie. Again I presented my opinion on the matter and it's backed up. You can't even give Biggie any credit at all so how can you even debate the subject? Again this isn't about Jay with you. Just another thread for you to bash Big. LOL, Hate to be the one to break it to you but as soon as you log off, Biggie is still a Legendary figure in rap music.

 

[hrap-120]

This thread isn't even about Jay to you, it's another reason for you to hate on Biggie. Again I presented my opinion on the matter and it's backed up. You can't even give Biggie any credit at all so how can you even debate the subject? Again this isn't about Jay with you. Just another thread for you to bash Big. LOL, Hate to be the one to break it to you but as soon as you log off, Biggie is still a Legendary figure in rap music.

Fazeem Vs. Rapmastamind on Biggie epic battle.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

This thread isn't even about Jay to you, it's another reason for you to hate on Biggie. Again I presented my opinion on the matter and it's backed up. You can't even give Biggie any credit at all so how can you even debate the subject? Again this isn't about Jay with you. Just another thread for you to bash Big. LOL, Hate to be the one to break it to you but as soon as you log off, Biggie is still a Legendary figure in rap music.

So is hammer, legendary that is but for all the wrong reasons just like your object of infatuation. Jigga is now what Biggie wished he was when alive. He has long since surpassed Biggie in fame, lyircal ability and overall power...

 

[tdoto88]

The mafioso thing?

reasonable doubt isnt a mafioso album....

 

[tdoto88]

Big fathered the style that Jigga used to get rich. Nah BDK fathered Jays style

At no point in Jay's career was he ever as good as Big in his day. Brooklyns Finest, I love The Dough, Young Gs.. they were on even playin fields

Jay used Big's blueprint to craft his albums, the whole multi singles on the album idea (Life After Death).. tht idea wasnt Biggies alone.. the album had 20+ songs. its only logical he would have more than one single

In Big's era he was the man, he held down the east when the west was on top. He was also the face of hip hop at the time.

Good point...but now Jay is the face of HipHop

 

[rapmastermind]

BDK influenced Jay and Biggie for sure but there is no way Jay did not take from Biggie's style. It's clear as day. Jay Z has been making rehashes of Biggie's LP's since Vol 1. Also Biggie changed the game from his debut and brought a whole coast back from the dark. Jay's debut wasn't even the best album of it's year. Again Jay and Big are Top 5 no doubt. Jay is a living legend and made his own lane. But there's a reason Jay can not let Big's legacy go cause he even knows deep down there is only one King. I feel bad for Jay cause I really believe he would of still blew up had Biggie lived and they would both be ruling the game but because of his untimely death, Big's Legend is frozen in time so it's like he had the perfect career. I mean serioulsy Big sold 17 Million off two LP's and two cut and past LP's. Jay Z in 11 LP's:

RD - Platinum

Vol 1 - Platinum

Vol 2 - 5x Platinum

Vol 3 - 3x Platinum

Dynasty - 2x Platinum

BP - 2x Platinum

BP 2 - 3x Platinum

BA - 3x Platinum

KC - 2x Platinum

AG - Platinum

BP3 - 2x Platinum

= 25x Platinum (11LPs)

RTD - 4x Platinum

LAD - 10x Platinum

BA - 2x Platinum

D - Platinum

= 17x Platinum (4 LP's)

Do the math, Big did more with Less. The fact Biggie sold 3 Million off cut and paste verses people already heard speaks volumes. His songs were more popular than Jay's during his era. Big's single charted better than Jay's. 11 #1 albums is Historic so again Jay is a Legend also and it can't be disputed but better than Biggie? Brooklyn's Jesus? No. One thing I will give Jay is sales wise, he's probably the most consistant in Hip Hop History. Every album went Platinum, damn.

 

[usmarin3]

BDK influenced Jay and Biggie for sure but there is no way Jay did not take from Biggie's style. It's clear as day. Jay Z has been making rehashes of Biggie's LP's since Vol 1. Also Biggie changed the game from his debut and brought a whole coast back from the dark. Jay's debut wasn't even the best album of it's year. Again Jay and Big are Top 5 no doubt. Jay is a living legend and made his own lane. But there's a reason Jay can not let Big's legacy go cause he even knows deep down there is only one King. I feel bad for Jay cause I really believe he would of still blew up had Biggie lived and they would both be ruling the game but because of his untimely death, Big's Legend is frozen in time so it's like he had the perfect career. I mean serioulsy Big sold 17 Million off two LP's and two cut and past LP's. Jay Z in 11 LP's:

RD - Platinum

Vol 1 - Platinum

Vol 2 - 5x Platinum

Vol 3 - 3x Platinum

Dynasty - 2x Platinum

BP - 2x Platinum

BP 2 - 3x Platinum

BA - 3x Platinum

KC - 2x Platinum

AG - Platinum

BP3 - 2x Platinum

= 25x Platinum (11LPs)

RTD - 4x Platinum

LAD - 10x Platinum

BA - 2x Platinum

D - Platinum

= 17x Platinum (4 LP's)

Do the math, Big did more with Less. The fact Biggie sold 3 Million off cut and paste verses people already heard speaks volumes. His songs were more popular than Jay's during his era. Big's single charted better than Jay's. 11 #1 albums is Historic so again Jay is a Legend also and it can't be disputed but better than Biggie? Brooklyn's Jesus? No. One thing I will give Jay is sales wise, he's probably the most consistant in Hip Hop History. Every album went Platinum, damn.

Your numbers are way off, about 20-25 mill off.

 

[JokerzWyld]

lol this thread is crazy

Suicidal Thoughts > Jay's first 4 albums

Life After Death > Jay's entire Catalog

Ready To Die > Jay's Life

 

[hrap-120]

lol this thread is crazy

Suicidal Thoughts > Jay's first 4 albums

Life After Death > Jay's entire Catalog

Ready To Die > Jay's Life

Damn fam you erased JayZ's life for "Ready to Die".......thats just cruel.

 

[kingblaze84]

I co-sign this thread......I always thought Reasonable Doubt was better than Ready to Die, but I will be the first person to say that Biggie at his best would destroy Jay-Z......if Biggie was still alive, I know for a fact Biggie would likely be better, but Jay's longevity is hard to deny.

 

[KarolinaKid]

Which is actually the point Biggie cannot keep up with Jay he is Dead Jay is Living, Jay has far passed him because of that plain reality and many other factors, Life and Death are not fair they are what they are though...

C/s .

 

[KarolinaKid]

I co-sign this thread......I always thought Reasonable Doubt was better than Ready to Die, but I will be the first person to say that Biggie at his best would destroy Jay-Z......if Biggie was still alive, I know for a fact Biggie would likely be better, but Jay's longevity is hard to deny.

i dont see how people can say that when big and jay got tracks togetha and jay outshines big on all em

 

[JokerzWyld]

Damn fam you erased JayZ's life for "Ready to Die".......thats just cruel.

Nah man, just gettin these guys in here upset.