The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[rapmastermind]

Biggie with Onyx, Naughty By Nature and Junior Mafia at a Photo Shoot

Treach: "Pac was my homey and I loved him but I've always had love for Biggie, he was just a sick artist. Naughty was going to be on Life After Death but Kay Gee just gave Biggie the beat instead"

Yet according to this dude, Onyx and Naughty was going to diss Biggie. LOL. Oh I forgot one more Eastcoast family riding with Biggie:

Def Jam/Def Squad

LL Cool J

EPMD

Redman

Sorry Pac fans, Biggie's movement was too strong. There was no way in hell Pac was going to see this Dynasty.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

There was no way in hell Pac was going to see this Dynasty.

Shit Biggie never saw that Dynasty because it was not his it was Puffy's he was just a tool and Martyr in getting it...

 

[CASH RULES]

Malice in Wonderland flopped so he's usin this as a publicity stunt to reach out to the east coast & biggie dickryder club no greece

 

[BOSS KTULU]

LOL, so according to this dude, Biggie sales would of dropped off, even though Lil' Kim was still selling, Puffy was still selling. Jay Z was selling. DMX was about to blow just a short year after Big's death, as well as Big Pun and Ja Rule. LOL @ "One Nation" with mostly underground non-selling NY artist seeing:

Bad Boy Family:

Biggie
Puffy
Ma$e
The Lox
Black Rob

Junior Mafia Family

Lil Kim
Lil' Cease
Junior Mafia
Charile B-more
Cam'ron (Eventually Dipset/Diplomats)

Roc a Fella Family

Jay Z
Memphis Bleek
Beanie Sigeal
DJ Clue
KanYe West
Foxy Brown

Ruff Ryder Family
DMX
Eve
Drag-On
Swizz Beatz
*Lox (They would of stayed on Bad Boy had Biggie not died)

Terror Squad Family

Fat Joe
Big Pun
Triple Sais
Cuban Linx

Murda Inc Family

Irv Gotti
Ja Rule
Vita

Queens Conections:

CNN (Nore said Biggie was going to be on the T.O.N.Y Remix)
Mobb Deep (Havoc said Biggie was going to be on their next album before he passed)
NaS (NaS would eventally joined the East Dynasty

South/Midwest:

Da Brat
Bone Thugs N Harmony
Uncle Luke/Too Live Crew

Westcoast
Too Short (Was in the car when Biggie died)

Producers that would of worked with this Dynasty: The Hitmen, D.Dot, DJ Premier, Lord Finesse, Trackmasters, Rza, Kay Gee, KanYe West, Neptunes, Timbaland (Aalyiah was on the Junior Mafia Album), Pete Rock, Trackmasters, Easy Mo Bee, Havoc,

And that's not counting the countless RnB stars that was allined with Biggie and Puff. The problem with some Pac fans is they believe The WHOLE game was behind Pac. Pac dissed way to many people to have the whole game behind him. It's a joke that "One Nation" would of seen this Dynasty. You are making yourself foolish. Nobody on "One Nation" was moving units but Tupac. Biggie and Puffy had serveral multiplatinum artist on their side. Biggie would of been fine, Pac would of eventually saw beefing wasn't the way to go and he would of changed his tune. But "One Nation" was not going to see Biggie.

damn

pac stans stay losing

facts >>>> fags

 

[makaveli4ever]

Why didnt Big do it then?

 

[king of nyc]

wat r u talkin about?? i got my info from da horsez mouf RAH DIB yaki kadafiz cousin he was therr that nite wit 2pac he can tell u that everybody rockin them DEATHROWEAST TEEZ was from NJ & NY....thatz y when pac ran n2 nas & da braveheartz nas was shook cuz rah dib said nas had about 10 braveheartz wit him compared 2 pac & about 30 deathroweast memberz & suge want'd 2pac 2 slap nas but pac didnt & they peace it up....this is no made up shit cuz again u can go ask RAH DIB cuz he was therr sept 4 96 n ny wit 2pac & seen everythang so u need 2 GTFOH wit that bs...,,

2pac was about 2 crush biggie wit da 1nation album,,,,

[video=youtube;FrCiv3jABJQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCiv3jABJQ[/video]

^^^ da world would not understand y therr was eastcoast & westcoast katz rydin on big & bad boy fa 2pac pac was not playin wit biggie or bad boy he was really gonna run them outta da game wit da 1nation movement....katz on da east was gonna have 2 choose sidez that deathroweast movement wouldve just crush'd bad boy cuz they was not gangstaz fa real....biggie & puffy was not gonna bust no gunz & deathrow was all about that anybody that wouldve side'd wit biggie & bad boy wouldve got crush'd biggie just had sum of ny behind him while pac had dudez nationwide from ny 2 ca ready 2 ride fa him..,,,

if that is tru how du u xplain 2pac talkin about a deathroweast on sept 4 96 n ny 3 dayz b4 he got shot n vegas?? that just dont make no sense @ all & how du u xplain 2pac havin his label MAKAVELI RECORDZ on deathrow?? cuz u can look on da MAKAVELI album & c MAKAVELI RECORDZ/DEATHROW on therr pac wasnt cuttin off deathrow no time soon...,,

ha..ha…

one nation with a mediocre leader named pac, with a illrelavent group named boot camp click, and a bunch of wack niggaz named da outlawz….

come on homie –only a fucking fool would say one nation was gonna run shit & take over da east.

again homie –if u roll with pac dats cool, but when u lie: its only proves dat pac fans are da most delusional people in da world.

do u really think niggaz on da east coast would have rolled with pac.

have u eva heard dis before: where niggaz will pull ur card & argue all day who da best mc biggie/ jay z / nas

GTFH

 

[rapmastermind]

ha..ha…

one nation with a mediocre leader named pac, with a illrelavent group named boot camp click, and a bunch of wack niggaz named da outlawz….

come on homie –only a fucking fool would say one nation was gonna run shit & take over da east.

again homie –if u roll with pac dats cool, but when u lie: its only proves dat pac fans are da most delusional people in da world.

do u really think niggaz on da east coast would have rolled with pac.

have u eva heard dis before: where niggaz will pull ur card & argue all day who da best mc biggie/ jay z / nas

GTFH

This is why I'm laughing at dude. Like I said, "One Nation" would barely go GOLD. Biggie had a strong fanbase as well as Puffy. Pac fans are living in a fantasy world if they think Pac had the game so on lock that Biggie would of lost fans. Wrong. Biggie was in his lane, Pac was in his lane. Also at this point Pac damn near dissed the entire East Coast, including popular groups like the Fugees (How did Lauryn Hill career go after Pac's death? Wyclef and the Fugees rode with Biggie). "One Nation" was not seeing Biggie or Jay Z. Pac would of dropped the album and again it would of went GOLD but Biggie and Jay Z "Commission Album" would of been going Platinum and having #1 singles. That's why I laugh at dudes saying "Biggie would of feel off". Are you kidding? At his death was the start of what would of been the Biggest Powerhouse Dynasty in Hip Hip History. Say it out loud: Biggie, Jay Z, Ma$e, Lox, Black Rob, Pun, Fat Joe, DMX etc, etc, etc. The West was on their last leg with Pac. Snoop was falling off, Dre was leaving the label. Dogg Pound wasn't hot anymore. The shift already happen with Biggie. The East was going to dominate, Big's death left the East in disarrary and they picked up the pieces with Jay Z and NaS but the fact remains. Biggie future was looking extremely bright. No matter what Pac said about Biggie, the fans would of embraced "Life After Death". You can't deny Classic material. LOL @ "One Nation was going to end Biggie", Yea a bunch of barely GOLD artist are going to end one of the titans of the EAST, OK.

 

[king of nyc]

Shit Biggie never saw that Dynasty because it was not his it was Puffy's he was just a tool and Martyr in getting it...

how u figure, u know how much paper biggie made off jr mafia & lil kim

plus da commission was in works to blow da game outta dis world.

u realize dat after biggie died, lance un his partner sign a bigger deal then puff got from clive

 

[king of nyc]

This is why I'm laughing at dude. Like I said, "One Nation" would barely go GOLD. Biggie had a strong fanbase as well as Puffy. Pac fans are living in a fantasy world if they think Pac had the game so on lock that Biggie would of lost fans. Wrong. Biggie was in his lane, Pac was in his lane. Also at this point Pac damn near dissed the entire East Coast, including popular groups like the Fugees (How did Lauryn Hill career go after Pac's death? Wyclef and the Fugees rode with Biggie). "One Nation" was not seeing Biggie or Jay Z. Pac would of dropped the album and again it would of went GOLD but Biggie and Jay Z "Commission Album" would of been going Platinum and having #1 singles. That's why I laugh at dudes saying "Biggie would of feel off". Are you kidding? At his death was the start of what would of been the Biggest Powerhouse Dynasty in Hip Hip History. Say it out loud: Biggie, Jay Z, Ma$e, Lox, Black Rob, Pun, Fat Joe, DMX etc, etc, etc. The West was on their last leg with Pac. Snoop was falling off, Dre was leaving the label. Dogg Pound wasn't hot anymore. The shift already happen with Biggie. The East was going to dominate, Big's death left the East in disarrary and they picked up the pieces with Jay Z and NaS but the fact remains. Biggie future was looking extremely bright. No matter what Pac said about Biggie, the fans would of embraced "Life After Death". You can't deny Classic material. LOL @ "One Nation was going to end Biggie", Yea a bunch of barely GOLD artist are going to end one of the titans of the EAST, OK.

real talk homie

plus u can add names like -mobb deep, cnn, tradegy with da LA LA song.

and what makes these niggaz more & more delusional is -biggie was tight with busta/meth/red/keith murray/das exf/ODB/ATCQ/KRS/kane/brand nubians/heavy d/CL & pete rock/big L/MOP/gangstar etc... plus all da radio,mixtape DJ's in NYC -flex,mr cee,red alert,angie ma,wendy williams,kid cupri,S&S,ron g, even clue(beside him releasing one more chance rmx w/o biggie co-sign)

its just ludacris dat nigga believe pac would have shut biggie down, i guess they dont remember pac & suge claiming dat biggie/puff blacklisted pac & DR songs from being played on da #1 hiphop radio station in da world HOT97...

 

[tompetrez3]

u biggie stans keep living in your fantasy world. no matter what think biggie "would have done" the fact remains he didnt do shit and he made new york look soft as your king said. biggie was nowhere near new york during the heat of this beef. him, jay z, dame, puffy was hiding out in south florida. premier confirmed this. preme and puff got into a argument because puffy said the beats primo was working on was garbage and he need to step it up. preme said "he cant make NY beats staying in florida". easy mo bee always speaks about how scared bad boy was during that whole time working on LAD. D Dot, Harve Pierre all of them niggas will tell you bad boy located to florida during 1996 because the feared death row and pac. pac was going to new york to work with his east coast niggas. they wasnt coming to cali. dru ha will tell you how dpg and pac bunked at his house when they were recording 1 nation. tek and steele had pac smoking blunts in brooklyn the same time hit em up was out. ny soft. yall had a chance to kill pac to make an example. what happens. your shooters fucked up and didnt finish him off in 94 and you send that sucker 4 love nas to central park to get big faced by pac in his own city during the height of the war. prodigy sound stupid "ill have the whole ny state aiming for your face". queens went to go meet with pac and let him live. softer than cotton. smh.

pac shut down all them niggas that was riding for big. he dissed ll and ll didnt say shit. he dissed brat and jd they didnt say shit. fugees didnt say shit back. chino xl didnt say shit back. jay z didnt say shit back. nas didnt say shit back. big didnt say shit back. so nobody cares about who was riding for big cause they were all cowards. nobody spoke on pac except for mobb deep. and fuck subliminals cause pac made it clear as day who he was talking to. "this aint a freestyle battle all u cowards getting killed" lmao @ that nigga putting up that roster of pussy niggas that got treated by pac like they were supposed to be a threat. "the commision" gtfoh. u actin like jr mafia was pushing records. that shit went gold. thats it. nobody even knew shit about jay z then. r u fucking kiddin me. wow. mase and lox? who? they were regional niggas rhyming on clue tapes. smh. pac had the realest niggas riding with him out the east including G rap and Kane they recorded songs together for 1 nation, NBN, BCC, Latifah,Def Squad,EMB,Nice N Smooth,Das Efx. wu gave pac their blessings because none of them niggas liked biggie either. busta said he was staying neutral because he loved pac's music. biggie wasnt a beloved king by everyone. if you was listening to hip hop back then you would know that. biggie was an arrogant sob who burned bridges like 50 does. he came in the game dissing a whole lot of pioneers

 

[BOSS KTULU]

him, jay z, dame, puffy was hiding out in south florida. premier confirmed this

this is because BIG was getting Jew money and was thinking of retiring early

meanwhile, 2pac was doing homo photoshoots in bathtubs with jewelry, closest he ever got to "jew money"

Pac loses eternally

 

[rapmastermind]

how u figure, u know how much paper biggie made off jr mafia & lil kim

plus da commission was in works to blow da game outta dis world.

u realize dat after biggie died, lance un his partner sign a bigger deal then puff got from clive

Stop with the facts, in their world, Biggie was going too commerical and would of fell off. The Fact remains, Biggie was in position to run the game for many years to come. DMX was an unoffical Bad Boy memeber. Jay Z was an unoffical Bad Boy memeber. Lil Kim and Lil Cease were working on albums, Lil Kim blew up. Foxy was with the firm but had ties to Jay Z and Biggie so she would of rode with them in the end. AZ and Foxy both rode with Biggie (They only needed NaS to come around, he was the only one missing in the Dead Presidents video). Also here's what DMX said about "Get At Me Dogg":

"I brought Sheek on the hook cause when we made the song we were thinking about Biggie cause he had just passed and the beat was something Biggie would of ripped so I got sheek to do the hook".

So DMX admitted, He was thinking about callboing with Biggie. DMX was on "Money Power Respect" and featured Lox, Faith and Ma$e on his debut album, all bad boy artist. Jay Z had his 2nd album produced by the Hitmen. The Dynasty was forming. This is why people were really sad by Big's death. He was just getting started where as Pac was already established on his 4th album at the time of his death. Anyone with a brain can see, Biggie was in the forfront of a huge East Dynasty.

 

[tompetrez3]

this is because BIG was getting Jew money and was thinking of retiring early

meanwhile, 2pac was doing homo photoshoots in bathtubs with jewelry, closest he ever got to "jew money"

Pac loses eternally

so thats what cowards do when shit hits the fan? pack up and go on vacation to suck jew dick and leave mobb deep to answer pac. let a nigga dissing your whole state live comfortably in your borough. wow what a king. smmfh

and the jew got their money back. its in public domain that clive davis and arista llc cashed in a life insurance policy on big.

 

[ItzGravitation]

so thats what cowards do when shit hits the fan? pack up and go on vacation to suck jew dick and leave mobb deep to answer pac. let a nigga dissing your whole state live comfortably in your borough. wow what a king. smmfh

and the jew got their money back. its in public domain that clive davis and arista llc cashed in a life insurance policy on big.

lol at bolded

 

[a_list]

lol couldve sworn chino went in on pac

 

[tompetrez3]

lol at bolded

they did. they didnt give a fuck about biggie. dont you find it odd where in an industry where rappers have no benefits that some bagel eating bastard cashed millions in on the death of a black man. and that is just the formal life insurance policy from the lloyds of london and some other european based finance company. clive is eating more than voletta and tianna right now from big's estate. and puffy didnt even give the wallace family a stake in bad boy before he sold it to the jews. of course that nazi ktulu would get off to this but all of these niggas in here co signing big gotta realize he was a puppet in this war. he didnt have the momentum or the upper hand at any point with pac. except for when they set him up in 94. big and puff had to kill of 2pac. he was that dangerous to them.

 

[tompetrez3]

everybody think that mobb deep and bad boy have a connection. they dont. mobb deep wasnt riding with big. mobb deep beef with pac stems from rikers island. "allegedly" the kings offered their protective services to pac from some loudmouth queens niggas that were trying to get a name by getting at pac. pac wasnt in pc like your favorite faggot rappers. he was in gen pop with everyone else. so he was trying to lay low and do his time. it was hard to do that cause his name was a staple in the papers and news for everything wrong with america at the time. also he was getting harshly treated by judges and co's so he declared that thug life is "dead". he's chillin. he not wildin. so he gettin in fights and arguements with queens niggas over stupid shit like towels, food. dumb shit. some kings niggas deaded that problem and the kings were knocking off them fools for pac. they caught feelings and took that thug life shit back to qb and then mobb deep started with that thug life

 

[infamous118]

everyone has been saying this since the 90s...

pac's my favorite rapper of all time but yeah it has been known biggie would have won a battle.

 

[rapmastermind]

everybody think that mobb deep and bad boy have a connection. they dont. mobb deep wasnt riding with big. mobb deep beef with pac stems from rikers island. "allegedly" the kings offered their protective services to pac from some loudmouth queens niggas that were trying to get a name by getting at pac. pac wasnt in pc like your favorite faggot rappers. he was in gen pop with everyone else. so he was trying to lay low and do his time. it was hard to do that cause his name was a staple in the papers and news for everything wrong with america at the time. also he was getting harshly treated by judges and co's so he declared that thug life is "dead". he's chillin. he not wildin. so he gettin in fights and arguements with queens niggas over stupid shit like towels, food. dumb shit. some kings niggas deaded that problem and the kings were knocking off them fools for pac. they caught feelings and took that thug life shit back to qb and then mobb deep started with that thug life

Wrong. Mobb Deep has a huge Connection to Big. Puffy was in the "Survival of the Fittest" video. Biggie and Mobb Deep took a legendary photo together that was unreleased until after he died. Havoc produced a beat on "Life After Death" and claimed that they wanted Big featured on "Hell on Earth" but it didn't happen. Biggie spits over the "Hell on Earth" beat on his last freestyle in L.A. before he died. Havoc prodcued on "Life After Death" on the gutter classic "Last Day" feature Lox and could have easily featured Mobb Deep also. Lil Kim was featured on the "Queit Storm" remix saying "B.I.G." at the beginning of her verse. Mobb Deep has been featured on both Posthumos B.I.G. albums "Born" again "Tonight" and "Duet: The Final Chapter" with "Beef (What's Beef Mobb Deep Remix). Havoc and Prodigy both have sampled Big's lyrics in future songs. And if you don't believe me, Here's the photo:

 

[rapmastermind]

What could have been. Funny, Biggie and Pac were both Gemini's. They really connected and had amazing chemestry. Sadly that faithful day in late November took place and changed everything.