The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[gee757]

big would have lyrically shitted on pac

pac was on a whole nother leverl of realeness big wasnt on(ny dudes aint as real as the south, west and midwest)

hit em up did hurt dude career also

ether was the most ineffective diss in history

hit em up was too effective

how????????????

 

[a_list]

seriously wat could big say lyrically that wouldve destroy'd 2pac?? i dont get it pac was shittin on big wit real shit all biggie couldve dun was make up shit which wouldve made him look stupid especially when pac was pipin his wife,,

lol big was creative enough to twist that whole shyt big said that pac said he was dissin to sell records,from ballerina to back up dancer to thug,saying big set him up then challenging him to a charity boxing match...there was a lot of stuff not to metion no one knows for sure if he was with faith...i think big couldve ripped sun he was just more creative look how p ripped him on drop a gem on em...ya dude was only gud for threats and insults lol calling a fat dud fat lol come on yo

 

[rapmastermind]

lol big was creative enough to twist that whole shyt big said that pac said he was dissin to sell records,from ballerina to back up dancer to thug,saying big set him up then challenging him to a charity boxing match...there was a lot of stuff not to metion no one knows for sure if he was with faith...i think big couldve ripped sun he was just more creative look how p ripped him on drop a gem on em...ya dude was only gud for threats and insults lol calling a fat dud fat lol come on yo

Big called himself Fat and Ugly so starting your diss out wit "You Fat Motherf*ck@" was weak. His name is Big aka Biggie. He saying I'm fat so what.

 

[gee757]

lol big was creative enough to twist that whole shyt big said that pac said he was dissin to sell records,from ballerina to back up dancer to thug,saying big set him up then challenging him to a charity boxing match...there was a lot of stuff not to metion no one knows for sure if he was with faith...i think big couldve ripped sun he was just more creative look how p ripped him on drop a gem on em...ya dude was only gud for threats and insults lol calling a fat dud fat lol come on yo

but u act like pac was tryna hide his past 2pac didnt du that he was very open about his past i just dont c how big was gonna lyrically rape pac & big didnt either thatz y he neva really entertain'd da beef...

I see where you're goin. Pac popped hella shit on it, but to the fans it wasn't about actually ending his career. shit, niggaz waited on bated breath for Biggie's response, which never really came. I mean, we know about Long Kiss.. but it didn't officially drop as a response to Hit'em Up.

Biggie's career never was in any kinda jeapordy for being ended. first album was a classic, second album better than the first.

o yes it was cuz when 2pac wouldve start'd DEATHROWEAST katz on da eastcoast wouldve had 2 choose sidez & big was not strong enuff 2 stop pac & deathrow,....

[video=youtube;zNO1qjo5Ppw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNO1qjo5Ppw[/video]

^^ everybody standin behind 2pac & suge rockin them deathroweast shirtz was from NY & NJ that was da nite pac ran n2 nas n NY @ da mtv awardz...

 

[a_list]

but u act like pac was tryna hide his past 2pac didnt du that he was very open about his past i just dont c how big was gonna lyrically rape pac & big didnt either thatz y he neva really entertain'd da beef...

i ain acting like nothing homie..we both kno that big was the better emcee and i think he couldve twisted that whole shyt...how u gon say a nigga set u up and then challenge him to a charity boxing match that right there should show u that the whole beef thing was publicity...and to that other shyt people in ny realized that it was a deathrow bad boy beef pretty much so some didnt get involved thats whay he was cool with the bcc and did a song with meth and red...ps how do you know those were all ny cats with them in that video?

 

[ItzGravitation]

how????????????

did you really just ask that stupid question?

with lyrics how else stupid?

BIGs lyrical abilities>>>Pacs

you'd have to be a stan to say that

he might not have end Pacs career but niggas would remember that shit

kinda like Blueprint 2 and Ether

 

[rapmastermind]

but u act like pac was tryna hide his past 2pac didnt du that he was very open about his past i just dont c how big was gonna lyrically rape pac & big didnt either thatz y he neva really entertain'd da beef...

o yes it was cuz when 2pac wouldve start'd DEATHROWEAST katz on da eastcoast wouldve had 2 choose sidez & big was not strong enuff 2 stop pac & deathrow,....

[video=youtube;zNO1qjo5Ppw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNO1qjo5Ppw[/video]

^^ everybody standin behind 2pac & suge rockin them deathroweast shirtz was from NY & NJ that was da nite pac ran n2 nas n NY @ da mtv awardz...

LOL @ Death Row East. Biggie ran the EAST. His Dynasty would of been just fine with Bad Boy (Ma$e, Lox, Black Rob), Junior Mafia/Undes Entertainment (Kim and Cease. Camron and the Diplomats), Jigga and Roc a Fella (Bleek and Beans, DJ Clue), DMX and the Ruff Ryders, Fat Joe, Big Pun and the Terror Squad this Dynasty would of been unstoppable as the East began it's dominance over the game They would of been like the 5 Familes of the East, it was ILL what was happening. Puff and Biggie had connections to what would of became all the up and coming producers including the Neptunes, KanYe West, Just Blaze, Timbaland and Swizz Beat as well as J Dilla. Death Row East would not have been as powerful than Big's movement with all those artist. Everyone was leaving Death Row at the time including Dre and soon Snoop. Pac was even trying to leave. Plus Rza produced on Big's albums so it wasn't like Wu was all 100% agianst Big. The bottom line their is a reason this many rappers have bitten Big, they understand he was ILL Lyrically which is why many don't see it's far fetched to believe Biggie would of got Pac Lyrically:

Rappers taking Biggie's Lyrics Part 1,2 and 3:

 

[rusty shackleford]

Comparing a human being to an animal: How WHITE of you.

you're pitiful.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

The fact of the matter is that Biggie had the CAPABILITY to response directly to 2pac and he would of POSSIBLY done a lot of damage. The FACT is that 2pac shitted on Biggie at the height of Biggie's success and the whole industry went crazy. Regardless of how some want to downplay 2pac's lyrical ability, Hit Em Up at the time destroyed Biggie and Bad Boy. When it comes down to the art of battling in hip hop, its not about who has the "best lyrical capibilities," its all about who has the biggest impact on their opponent. Don't get it twisted, lyrics do play a major part in a battle, but the person who is more lyrical doesn't always win. If that were the case people like Canibus would never lose a battle. In the end, all we have to go off are the FACTS. Tracks like Hit em up, Bomb First, against all odds and when we ride on our enemies prove that 2pac was more than ready for a battle with anyone. While 2pac was alive no one recorded a diss track towards him that fazed him in anyway. This is a FACT. On the flip side he did damage to Biggie, Mobb Deep, Nas, ans Jay-z, who are all considered to be hip hop legends. Inshort, 2pac proved he could battle, and as snoop said, "biggie seemed like he didn't want it with 2pac."

It is funny only people that cannot acknowledge this are admitted Stans Homo's and Necrophiliacs. Biggies Lyrical ability means shit when he is worried about the factual shit his opposition may spit next further damaging his image. Pac had him shook because Biggie knew in his heart what the man was saying was true and the conviction in Pac would have had him pounding harder on him if Biggie responded with some bullshit. As far as the beef and verbal battle was concerned Pac won, the eastcoast west coast the west lost the war and todays HipHop is a result of that loss. Fantasy and Fakes run the industry just the way the machine wanted it...

 

[gee757]

i ain acting like nothing homie..we both kno that big was the better emcee and i think he couldve twisted that whole shyt...how u gon say a nigga set u up and then challenge him to a charity boxing match that right there should show u that the whole beef thing was publicity...and to that other shyt people in ny realized that it was a deathrow bad boy beef pretty much so some didnt get involved thats whay he was cool with the bcc and did a song with meth and red...ps how do you know those were all ny cats with them in that video?

well ill neva understand how big wouldve lyrically raped pac that just dont make sense...& 2pac had bcc dissin biggie & bad boy n 96 on da 1nation album that neva came out...

[video=youtube;xjFxs86UZkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjFxs86UZkQ[/video]

[video=youtube;U_IrxN8plqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_IrxN8plqQ[/video]

& yak from da outlawz cousin 'rah dib' said he was therr wit pac that nite reppin deathroweast that was da 'jerzey mob' behind 2pac & suge n that video,,...

lol @ death row east. Biggie ran the east. His dynasty would of been just fine with bad boy (ma$e, lox, black rob), junior mafia/undes entertainment (kim and cease. Camron and the diplomats), jigga and roc a fella (bleek and beans, dj clue), dmx and the ruff ryders, fat joe, big pun and the terror squad this dynasty would of been unstoppable as the east began it's dominance over the game they would of been like the 5 familes of the east, it was ill what was happening. Puff and biggie had connections to what would of became all the up and coming producers including the neptunes, kanye west, just blaze, timbaland and swizz beat as well as j dilla. Death row east would not have been as powerful than big's movement with all those artist. Everyone was leaving death row at the time including dre and soon snoop. Pac was even trying to leave. Plus rza produced on big's albums so it wasn't like wu was all 100% agianst big. The bottom line their is a reason this many rappers have bitten big, they understand he was ill lyrically which is why many don't see it's far fetched to believe biggie would of got pac lyrically:

Rappers taking biggie's lyrics part 1,2 and 3:

did u not hear wat pac said n that deathroweast video??? Biggie & bad boy or any other rap label back n 96 was not fuuukin wit deathrow big was not sellin 5 million recordz when he was alive n 2 monthz like pac & big did not run da east thatz y bcc was rydin on him...& da outlawz was from ny & nj pac had katz from everycoast rydin on biggie & bad boy pac was gonna have katz like wu tang, bcc, jerzey mobb & sum mo eastcoast actz on deathroweast suge said that along time ago..,,.

 

[Focal Point]

damn what has this thread become

 

[AntonLATroy]

damn what has this thread become

Just another Biggie worship thread where they make light of any artist in comparison, I swear the IC has a biggie cult going on

 

[rapmastermind]

well ill neva understand how big wouldve lyrically raped pac that just dont make sense...& 2pac had bcc dissin biggie & bad boy n 96 on da 1nation album that neva came out...

[video=youtube;xjFxs86UZkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjFxs86UZkQ[/video]

[video=youtube;U_IrxN8plqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_IrxN8plqQ[/video]

& yak from da outlawz cousin 'rah dib' said he was therr wit pac that nite reppin deathroweast that was da 'jerzey mob' behind 2pac & suge n that video,,...

did u not hear wat pac said n that deathroweast video??? Biggie & bad boy or any other rap label back n 96 was not fuuukin wit deathrow big was not sellin 5 million recordz when he was alive n 2 monthz like pac & big did not run da east thatz y bcc was rydin on him...& da outlawz was from ny & nj pac had katz from everycoast rydin on biggie & bad boy pac was gonna have katz like wu tang, bcc, jerzey mobb & sum mo eastcoast actz on deathroweast suge said that along time ago..,,.

I saw the video but dudes be over-rating "Death Row East" like it was some Eastcost powerhouse. Biggie again had Bad Boy, Junior Mafia Crew, Jay and Roc a Fella. DMX and Ruff Ryders would of rode with Biggie. Fat Joe and Pun would of roled with Biggie. Ja Rule and Irv would of rolled with Biggie. Your telling me Death Row East would of been able to see this Dynasty? LOL. Remember the Commission never happen. Even if Pac lived, "Life After Death" would of still sold and been a success so Pac would of had to come up with some new ish. The bottom line, The Eastcoast Dyansty Big was leading at the time of his death would of been bigger than Death Row East could dream of. I love BCC, but they weren't moving units like that. Big would of had serveral multiplatinum Eastcoast artist riding with him. Mobb Deep and NaS would of eventually came on board. Say what you will but that Dynasty would of been unstoppable.

 

[gee757]

nun of those eastcoast artist that u named was fuuukin wit deathrow 2pac & suge was gonna take ova ny like i said b4 that nite sept 4 is when 2pac seen nas n ny & squash'd da beef....even tho RAH DIB said that when 2pac & deathrow seen nas that nite n ny da braveheartz was shook & suge kept tellin pac 2 slap nas but 2pac wouldnt du it & they peaced it up...2pac was a mega star therr was no way big was gonna stop him or deathrow from takin ova & da 1nation album proved that biggie couldnt pull that off cuz anybody on da west that want'd 2 ride fa biggie wouldve got they azz kick'd deathrow style thatz y snoop was so shook 2 get on biggiez album.,,..

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I saw the video but dudes be over-rating "Death Row East" like it was some Eastcost powerhouse. Biggie again had Bad Boy, Junior Mafia Crew, Jay and Roc a Fella. DMX and Ruff Ryders would of rode with Biggie. Fat Joe and Pun would of roled with Biggie. Ja Rule and Irv would of rolled with Biggie. Your telling me Death Row East would of been able to see this Dynasty? LOL. Remember the Commission never happen. Even if Pac lived, "Life After Death" would of still sold and been a success so Pac would of had to come up with some new ish. The bottom line, The Eastcoast Dyansty Big was leading at the time of his death would of been bigger than Death Row East could dream of. I love BCC, but they weren't moving units like that. Big would of had serveral multiplatinum Eastcoast artist riding with him. Mobb Deep and NaS would of eventually came on board. Say what you will but that Dynasty would of been unstoppable.

For the record Ja and Irv rode with Deathrow already so you are not getting the politics involved, Biggie had sharks on all sides of him and Pac sent blood into the water. Wu, BCC, Kane, Naughty By Nature, Onyx, Nice and Smooth, and various other established New School and Old School East coast artists were politcking behind Pacs camp and all who sided with him that did not immediately defect have suffered in their careers due to his death and their position on matters. HipHop Politics is a mother...

 

[rapmastermind]

For the record Ja and Irv rode with Deathrow already so you are not getting the politics involved, Biggie had sharks on all sides of him and Pac sent blood into the water. Wu, BCC, Kane, Naughty By Nature, Onyx, Nice and Smooth, and various other established New School and Old School East coast artists were politcking behind Pacs camp and all who sided with him that did not immediately defect have suffered in their careers due to his death and their position on matters. HipHop Politics is a mother...

Wu again wasn't 100% Against Big so they wouldn't have made disses like that. BCC wasn't moving units. Kane already fell off at that point. Onyx and Natughty by Nature were neutral. Onyx did a song with Biggie and Kay Gee prodcued on "Life After Death". LOL @ Nice and Smooth. None of these artist would be as Big as DMX, Jay Z, Big Pun and other Eastcost titans that gainned prominance right after Big's death. Irv Gotti was running with Biggie crew before Ja started to bite Pac. Irv Gotti was in the Flava in your Ear Video and also did tracks with Jay Z. The Eastcoast family tree is too song. The West was losing power as Pac died. You can't tell me "One Nation" would of been able to stop Biggie in his prime, a raising Jay Z, a young Camron, a young Lox, a young Ma$e, Black Rob, Ruff Ryders and DMX. There were more POWERHOUSE artist riding with Biggie on the East than Pac had, sorry. Again let's not talk about production, while Pac was only working with Johnny J. Biggie had connections to some of the best producers in the game and again those connections would of lead him to working with KanYe, Just Blaze, Swizz Beatz, Timbaland and neptunes (One of Neptunes 1st beats was on Ma$e debut album). Biggie would of just continued to make hit after hit. "One Nation" would of been like "Thug Life" and barely went Gold. The Commission album would of went Double or Triple platinum reguardless so Jay Z would of blew up no matter what.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

"Tupac was the first gay dude I got along with. He was cool."
---Snoop Doggy Dogg

 

[D.D.S.]

snoop's rite

i always thought hit em up was overrated..........

 

[KillaCham]

but u act like pac was tryna hide his past 2pac didnt du that he was very open about his past i just dont c how big was gonna lyrically rape pac & big didnt either thatz y he neva really entertain'd da beef...

o yes it was cuz when 2pac wouldve start'd DEATHROWEAST katz on da eastcoast wouldve had 2 choose sidez & big was not strong enuff 2 stop pac & deathrow,....

[video=youtube;zNO1qjo5Ppw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNO1qjo5Ppw[/video]

^^ everybody standin behind 2pac & suge rockin them deathroweast shirtz was from NY & NJ that was da nite pac ran n2 nas n NY @ da mtv awardz...

Death Row was about to start beefing with themselves. Wasn't Pac tryna leave the label before he died?

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Wu again wasn't 100% Against Big so they wouldn't have made disses like that. BCC wasn't moving units. Kane already fell off at that point. Onyx and Natughty by Nature were neutral. Onyx did a song with Biggie and Kay Gee prodcued on "Life After Death". LOL @ Nice and Smooth. None of these artist would be as Big as DMX, Jay Z, Big Pun and other Eastcost titans that gainned prominance right after Big's death. Irv Gotti was running with Biggie crew before Ja started to bite Pac. Irv Gotti was in the Flava in your Ear Video and also did tracks with Jay Z. The Eastcoast family tree is too song. The West was losing power as Pac died. You can't tell me "One Nation" would of been able to stop Biggie in his prime, a raising Jay Z, a young Camron, a young Lox, a young Ma$e, Black Rob, Ruff Ryders and DMX. There were more POWERHOUSE artist riding with Biggie on the East than Pac had, sorry. Again let's not talk about production, while Pac was only working with Johnny J. Biggie had connections to some of the best producers in the game and again those connections would of lead him to working with KanYe, Just Blaze, Swizz Beatz, Timbaland and neptunes (One of Neptunes 1st beats was on Ma$e debut album). Biggie would of just continued to make hit after hit. "One Nation" would of been like "Thug Life" and barely went Gold. The Commission album would of went Double or Triple platinum reguardless so Jay Z would of blew up no matter what.

What you are ignoring is how the politcal affects of this support has played out, It was getting to be a movement that was halted so all that can be done is speculation but sides were clearly chosen by some and leaned to by others and those that rode with Pac suffered in their careers over it that shit cannot be debated unless you want to undermine the actual power of those you are dickriding. Jigga owes his success to Puffy winning the war for commercial HipHop dominance against the west and that victory was only secured because Pac died...