The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[rusty shackleford]

word smh @ that faggot doin what faggots do by correctin grammar on a message board

and just like a bitch in the street with her hands on her hips.. you're bumpin' your fuckin' dicksucker about shit that aint got shit to do with you.. there aint anymore room on my dick so hop off & go suck ya momma, you pussy.

as you were.

 

[DarcSkies777]

quote of the day

He didn't even know they were cops until later. He just saw two white guys with guns bothering a black driver and tried, for once in his pathetic life, to live his lyrics.

Whatever the case may be he shot them. And if you shoot somebody in defense of another black person (especially if you're Tupac the son of a Black Panther) that makes everything you say real.

For once in his life? Really? I dont think you have a gun on your person that you're willing to use on a whim.

Was he acting like he didn't enjoy it when he got raped in prison?

That's right.

The good ole prison rape bullshit eh? Every idiot in the world starts a prison rape rumor every time a rapper goes to jail.

Vitamin Water.

Im not too big on record sales but they do matter for success. And all of those artist are record breaking rappers who clearly followed Tupac's blueprint.

 

[DarcSkies777]

the type of show business in which the rep for shootin' two white men would not only garner respect from his peers but every fan who doesn't like white people..

Complete bullshit but on the off chance you are right.....good for him. As many black people as crackers were murdering in cold blood they got what they deserved.

FUCK Em

 

[rusty shackleford]

Complete bullshit but on the off chance you are right.....

lol @ you knowin' in your heart that i'm right..

p.s. smh @ two wrongs makin' a right in your mind.. by that math, we shoulda fed michael vick's momma to bulldogs to see how he likes the taste of inhumanity..

yikes.

 

[rapmastermind]

did anyone even see the video?

nowhere in that video did snoop even say that

wtf?

Ehh, actually what he said was, he felt Pac was wrong for repeatedly attacking a man who obviously didn't want it...and that Biggie probably could've come back back wit some gangsta shit, which doesn't necessarily equate to ripping someone apart.

Now, as far as technical ability with them on the same track, Big may have had the slight advantage. But let's not forget the essence of a battle. When it all boils down to it, it's not really HOW you say it but instead WHAT you say, and how much truth is behind it. You could spit the illest "style" anyone has ever heard, but if you ain't sayin nothin about yo opponent, or it's a bunch of make believe or speculation, does it really count? But then your opponent speaks, maybe in a more simplistic style, but sayin some shit that's more than likely true, or some shit that at least the 2 of ya'll know is true, then that's the nail in the coffin.

Big couldn't respond because he had nothing against Pac, outside of punchlines and slick shit, if he had anything else to respond with he would have.

Again Snoop said "The N!gga Had skills, IF HE WANTED TO COME BACK WITH SOME "SUPER" GANGSTA SH!T, HE WOULD OF"

I don't know how to read that comment any other way than that if Biggie wanted to, he would of gotten Pac on some lyrical sh!t. This quote was to long to put in my title so I just summed up his words. Sure the title make it sound worst but that's what Snoop said. He also used the word "Super" to express that Big was that ILL lyrically. Right after he said that he brings up Big's lyrical skills sublininally. Look, Snoop wasn't a fan of the beef. Pac fans need to realize not everyone agreed with how Pac handled and conducted himself before his death. Many people feel "Hit Em Up" along with the Media fueled the whole beef that ended in Pac and Big's death. Again people can be salty cause Snoop is one of Pac's friends and a Westcoast Rap Legend/Icon but he can be unbais and look at this objectively. Biggie was ILL and Snoop knew it so again he felt what Pac was doing was pointless cause Big was seeing Pac Lyrically all day. As far as Biggie having nothing Lyrical against Pac which is why he didn't repond. Listen to the subliminals, Big had plenty, it was a choice not to diss Pac.

 

[ItzGravitation]

its true

BIG woulda killed dude

i been telling my friends this for years

 

[rapmastermind]

LMFAO Are you serious? Snoop has nothing but envy for Pac since Pac outshined him and took his top spot at death row. He went from being Top Dogg to 3rd runner up and jumped ship with a group of kats doing their worst Pac imitiation in No Limit. Anything dude says is to make himself feel better about being so expendable at his career height to a dude he could not ever come close to matchi in any category...

LOL, Now Snoop is "Envious" of Pac? This is a joke, Snoop had nothing but love for Pac it's just that he didn't agree with Pac on the Biggie situation so now some of you are trying to make it like Snoop wasn't loyal to Pac which wasn't true. If I'm friends with someone before I meet you and that person did something wrong to you and we became friends and even did some songs together, am I suspose to just hate that other person? Pac was very insecure at times. I just saw another interview where Snoop said he was going to be on Biggie's album but didn't do it out of respect for Pac, yet Snoop is the one that wasn't loyal? The Bottom line, fans are Mad cause again a Westcoast Legend is co-signinng Biggie and that doesn't fit into some of you guys mold of Biggie being average and over-rated.

 

[DarcSkies777]

lol @ you knowin' in your heart that i'm right..

p.s. smh @ two wrongs makin' a right in your mind.. by that math, we shoulda fed michael vick's momma to bulldogs to see how he likes the taste of inhumanity..

yikes.

Comparing a human being to an animal: How WHITE of you.

 

[rapmastermind]

Snoop Dogg - Real G's (Snoop Dogg does what Biggie did with westcoast beats and raps over Eastcoast Biggie Beats)



Biggie - Real G's (Biggie rips Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre beats)

LOL, how can anyone listen to Biggie killing these Westcoast beats and not see he wouldn't have an issue going at Pac lyrically on any beat or style?.

 

[blackrain]

when people say Pac criticized himself for making songs like Keep Ya Head Up but at the same time being able to make "I Get Around'...that just shows Pac could talk about women from more than one angle and wasn't tryna write about some world where all women are perfect...some women deserve Keep Ya Head Up and some deserve I Get Around

 

[gman82]

The fact of the matter is that Biggie had the CAPABILITY to response directly to 2pac and he would of POSSIBLY done a lot of damage. The FACT is that 2pac shitted on Biggie at the height of Biggie's success and the whole industry went crazy. Regardless of how some want to downplay 2pac's lyrical ability, Hit Em Up at the time destroyed Biggie and Bad Boy. When it comes down to the art of battling in hip hop, its not about who has the "best lyrical capibilities," its all about who has the biggest impact on their opponent. Don't get it twisted, lyrics do play a major part in a battle, but the person who is more lyrical doesn't always win. If that were the case people like Canibus would never lose a battle. In the end, all we have to go off are the FACTS. Tracks like Hit em up, Bomb First, against all odds and when we ride on our enemies prove that 2pac was more than ready for a battle with anyone. While 2pac was alive no one recorded a diss track towards him that fazed him in anyway. This is a FACT. On the flip side he did damage to Biggie, Mobb Deep, Nas, ans Jay-z, who are all considered to be hip hop legends. Inshort, 2pac proved he could battle, and as snoop said, "biggie seemed like he didn't want it with 2pac."

 

[gee757]

LOL, Now Snoop is "Envious" of Pac? This is a joke, Snoop had nothing but love for Pac it's just that he didn't agree with Pac on the Biggie situation so now some of you are trying to make it like Snoop wasn't loyal to Pac which wasn't true. If I'm friends with someone before I meet you and that person did something wrong to you and we became friends and even did some songs together, am I suspose to just hate that other person? Pac was very insecure at times. I just saw another interview where Snoop said he was going to be on Biggie's album but didn't do it out of respect for Pac, yet Snoop is the one that wasn't loyal? The Bottom line, fans are Mad cause again a Westcoast Legend is co-signinng Biggie and that doesn't fit into some of you guys mold of Biggie being average and over-rated.

snoop didnt get on that biggie album cuz he knew suge would pimp slap da dog shit outta his snitch azz fa doin sum dumb shit like that itz clear 2 c that snoop is still feelin a lil sour about how 2pac was shittin on him b4 he died,,,...i dont care wat nobody say 2pac fuuuk'd biggiez wife biggie could not rap his way outta that ether thatz y he just kept his mouf closed & came wit that pussy azz subliminal shit!!

 

[rapmastermind]

snoop didnt get on that biggie album cuz he knew suge would pimp slap da dog shit outta his snitch azz fa doin sum dumb shit like that itz clear 2 c that snoop is still feelin a lil sour about how 2pac was shittin on him b4 he died,,,...i dont care wat nobody say 2pac fuuuk'd biggiez wife biggie could not rap his way outta that ether thatz y he just kept his mouf closed & came wit that pussy azz subliminal shit!!

"F*uk B!tches I hit, Funny I once said" - NaS

So Pac Having Biggie's Sloppy 2nd's is something to brag about? This is why NaS won his battle with Jay. Jay like Pac was on some "Kiss and Tell" B.S. and couldn't go at NaS lyrically. Pac could not come at Big lyrically so he went for talking about having his again sloppy 2nd's. And using his hooks and beats which showed he was listening to Big. Then he had the nerve to put those weak lyrical a$$ dudes the Outlaws against Biggie. LOL, I'm happy Biggie didn't respond cause he would of ended the outlaws careers and I don't wish that on anyone, LOL. Yes "Hit em up" was "Ether" before "Ether" but it had Zero affect on Big's career as a rapper, fans still loved him dispite what Pac was saying. It had to be the most non-effective diss ever. The only impact it had was on Big's personal relationship with Faith, it did nothing to his rap career.

 

[gee757]

"F*uk B!tches I hit, Funny I once said" - NaS

So Pac Having Biggie's Sloppy 2nd's is something to brag about? This is why NaS won his battle with Jay. Jay like Pac was on some "Kiss and Tell" B.S. and couldn't go at NaS lyrically. Pac could not come at Big lyrically so he went for talking about having his again sloppy 2nd's. And using his hooks and beats which showed he was listening to Big. Then he had the nerve to put those weak lyrical a$$ dudes the Outlaws against Biggie. LOL, I'm happy Biggie didn't respond cause he would of ended the outlaws careers and I don't wish that on anyone, LOL. Yes "Hit em up" was "Ether" before "Ether" but it had Zero affect on Big's career as a rapper, fans still loved him dispite what Pac was saying. It had to be the most non-effective diss ever. The only impact it had was on Big's personal relationship with Faith, it did nothing to his rap career.

hell yeah after that biggie couldnt rap about bein a PLAYER when he was da 1 gettin play'd big said it himself he didnt want 2 go @ pac cuz he knew that that would b playin wit FIRE & big wouldnt have dun shit 2 da outlawz...all da outlawz ripp'd biggie 2 wit pac if 2pac wouldve never got kill'd n 96 biggie & bad boy wouldve been finish'd by da end of 97 cuz 2pac was havin dudez from every coast goin @ biggiez head pac even had da BOOTCAMPCLICC rydin on big n 96,,.even mase ether'd biggie n 98 on mtv when he said 'EVEN THO IM ON BAD BOY MY FAVORITE RAPPER IS 2PAC' now that is da ultimate slap n da face...HA

 

[a_list]

this should be a no brainer we all know that pac was an average rapper big if he wanted to wouldve ripped dude

 

[gee757]

this should be a no brainer we all know that pac was an average rapper big if he wanted to wouldve ripped dude

seriously wat could big say lyrically that wouldve destroy'd 2pac?? i dont get it pac was shittin on big wit real shit all biggie couldve dun was make up shit which wouldve made him look stupid especially when pac was pipin his wife,,

 

[rapmastermind]

lol you really oughta change your screen name if you believe the bolded...

How was the diss effective? Here we are 13 years later and Biggie is a Legend. Therefor as ill as the diss was and it was ILL, Big's overall standing was not effected by it. It did have impact on Mobb Deep's career but many fans praise Prodigy and Havoc for getting at Pac deadly style on "Drop a Gem on Em". Like I said it diffenetly had a effect on Big and Faith's relationship but Big was still able to stay hot at time dispite Pac's disses. Also I always laugh at the "You slept on my couch". They were friends, I guest you only had a 1 bedroom apartement and only a had a couch for Big to sleep on. What's the big deal? I've slept on friends couches, that wasn't nothing groundbreaking. The Diss was entertaining but he wasn't lyrical and Big would of had no issue if he wanted to which he didn't cause he didn't want the flame the fire that Pac was throwing gasoline in.

 

[gee757]

How was the diss effective? Here we are 13 years later and Biggie is a Legend. Therefor as ill as the diss was and it was ILL, Big's overall standing was not effected by it. It did have impact on Mobb Deep's career but many fans praise Prodigy and Havoc for getting at Pac deadly style on "Drop a Gem on Em". Like I said it diffenetly had a effect on Big and Faith's relationship but Big was still able to stay hot at time dispite Pac's disses.

plz mobb deep was 2 pussy 2 say 2pacz name & how many of da slobb deep fanz know about when 2pac was lock'd up he sent da outlawz 2 go check slobb deep n da atl & mobb deep ran from da outlawz like sum bitchz.....i dont like bringin up old shit cuz da outlawz & mobb deep squash'd da beef but 2pac shitt'd on alot of people that praise him 2day like nas , j , mobb deep , puffy , da brat , da fugeez , gay azz dre , snoop & da list goes on big could neva du wat 2pac did!! & 2pac died b4 big so biggie luck'd out cuz if he would have went out 1st b4 2pac history would b very different then it is now & i dont think big wouldve been gettin da praise he getz now.,,..

 

[ItzGravitation]

BIg would have lyrically shitted on Pac

Pac was on a whole nother leverl of realeness BIG wasnt on(NY dudes aint as real as the South, West and Midwest)

Hit Em Up did hurt dude career also

Ether was the most ineffective diss in history

Hit Em Up was too effective

 

[rapmastermind]

within the industry Hit'em Up was the first diss that got taken off of wax. fans and stans alike got all kindsa caught up between a perceived East Coast - West Coast rivalry. it also set sort of a template. people took note of and tried to outdo. you think Jay didn't take a look at Hit'em Up before the Takeover? Nas before Ether? 50?? not sayin they were necessarily tryna emulate it, but at least outdo it. besides what was beef in hip hop before Hit'em Up (besides NWA and Ice Cube, which was personal between the crew, but all on wax)? MC Shan? KRS One? Kam? Common?

you're sayin it was ineffective, I'm sayin it was influential.

Of course it was influential, I wasn't disputing that. I was simply saying it didn't end Big's career. That's the goal of a diss is to destroy someone's career. Big still got shine even after Pac's death.