The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[lamontbdc]

Not suprising. Snoop never was pacs true friend. Even before there beef with each other snoop didn't like pac. He shitted on Dre which snoop didn't like which is common sense. Dre was the only reason snoop was out of the hood to start with and snoops childhood best friend (Warren G) is dres half brother, also he took all the attention away from snoop
. Thats why doggfather didn't come out till '96. 94-96 death row was only caring about pac, even before pac joined the squad they were neglecting other multi-platinum artists for 2pacs plans, snoop got thrown to the side even though he has a classic album under his belt and was heavily featured on 2 other classics. Snoop was just always smart enough to keep his mouth shut when he needed to. If Pac knew what snoop knew back in '95. Game wise, he would still be alive.

not to mention Pac had lady of rage thrown out of death row offices while she was pregnant b/c she wouldn't diss lil kim. and she went to say with snoop b/c she had nowhere to go at that moment.

 

[rapmastermind]

Co-sign

Otherwise, on a lyrical tip? (flip words or use metaphors) I have to say Biggie

But Pac stays the best (even now) in my opinion..

Pac is Hip Hop's Greatest Icon, he wasn't perfect but he is the perfect representive for Hip Hop worldwide. Eminem may have just passed him in sales but he doesn't pass him in Impact and Influence. But Biggie is the GOAT rapper, meaning Emcee. From a Skill Standpoint he was the ILLest. He was the complete package. His 2nd album remains the only rap album to appeal to every "Region" by having a song for each region on one album. Biggie is the Hendrix, Cobain, Bruce Lee of Hip Hop. He didn't need a large catalog to prove his greatness. Pac himself was blown away by Biggie's talents which is why he put him under his wing and even wanted him on his LP's and Group albums. What Snoop is saying isn't far fetched or out of line. He loves Pac even if Pac disagreed with him with his feelings on Biggie and Bad Boy at that time. But with an unbiased eye, there is no way Snoop can deny Big's Greatness whcih is why he respects his Legend. It didn't hurt that Big used a snoop song on his debut and mentioned him on the opening bars of his final studio album. Snoop must get a kick out of that.

 

[FrozenMind]

not to mention Pac had lady of rage thrown out of death row offices while she was pregnant b/c she wouldn't diss lil kim. and she went to say with snoop b/c she had nowhere to go at that moment.

Damn, that's crazy.

Yeah I love pacs music but the dude was real flagrant and did alot of stupid things. Which is ironic cause he was always talking about game, and he called himself mackavelli. IDK if any of you have ever read that book "The Prince" but Pac broke pretty much every rule in it in a 3 year span. Which is ironic because he was always talking about how its a great blueprint to attain power.

I personally think Pac had a great deal of extreme psychologically issues that he needed professional help with. Unfortunately that is probably why his music was so amazing. The most insane people often create the best art.

 

[Pretty Fred]

south4life dont tell them da truth let them delusional biggie groupiez believe that bs.......lol

Men lie, Cheeseburgers lie

Numbers don't, you greasy summonab*tch

 

[bankrupt baller]

Why do numbers lie when it is used against someones argument but they don't when it's used for someones argument?

 

[FrozenMind]

Also there's a rumor by morons that machiavellis "The Prince" teaches you how to disappear , etc.

I swear these morons crack me up. No where in that book does it mention that. Most people blindly believe it like the Illuminati shit because they read it on many "reliable sources" on the internet.

 

[TX5GIN]

Pac is Hip Hop's Greatest Icon, he wasn't perfect but he is the perfect representive for Hip Hop worldwide. Eminem may have just passed him in sales but he doesn't pass him in Impact and Influence. But Biggie is the GOAT rapper, meaning Emcee. From a Skill Standpoint he was the ILLest. He was the complete package. His 2nd album remains the only rap album to appeal to every "Region" by having a song for each region on one album. Biggie is the Hendrix, Cobain, Bruce Lee of Hip Hop. He didn't need a large catalog to prove his greatness. Pac himself was blown away by Biggie's talents which is why he put him under his wing and even wanted him on his LP's and Group albums. What Snoop is saying isn't far fetched or out of line. He loves Pac even if Pac disagreed with him with his feelings on Biggie and Bad Boy at that time. But with an unbiased eye, there is no way Snoop can deny Big's Greatness whcih is why he respects his Legend. It didn't hurt that Big used a snoop song on his debut and mentioned him on the opening bars of his final studio album. Snoop must get a kick out of that.

man biggie was a lrycist but tupac was a leader in words and action. i feel pac cuz mainly what he he rapped about was what was going around the usa at that time. big was ok but pac is the nigga that made u feel music. nigga biggie was just a rapper wit a rich flow that wanted u to believe the glitz. pac was a real nigga that tried to make u feel emotions of life. snoop is a gangster actor who is tryn to cover his ass now that he is still alive and nobody from that wholer beef is real active.

 

[gee757]

Not suprising. Snoop never was pacs true friend. Even before there beef with each other snoop didn't like pac. He shitted on Dre which snoop didn't like which is common sense. Dre was the only reason snoop was out of the hood to start with and snoops childhood best friend (Warren G) is dres half brother, also he took all the attention away from snoop

. Thats why doggfather didn't come out till '96. 94-96 death row was only caring about pac, even before pac joined the squad they were neglecting other multi-platinum artists for 2pacs plans, snoop got thrown to the side even though he has a classic album under his belt and was heavily featured on 2 other classics. Snoop was just always smart enough to keep his mouth shut when he needed to. If Pac knew what snoop knew back in '95. Game wise, he would still be alive.

snoop was gettin slap'd up by suge thatz y he kept his trap closed 2pac wasnt gettin that type of bitch treatment ova therr on deathrow...

not to mention Pac had lady of rage thrown out of death row offices while she was pregnant b/c she wouldn't diss lil kim. and she went to say with snoop b/c she had nowhere to go at that moment.

thatz newz 2 me who said all that??????

 

[TX5GIN]

snoop was gettin slap'd up by suge thatz y he kept his trap closed 2pac wasnt gettin that type of bitch treatment ova therr on deathrow...

thatz newz 2 me who said all that??????

true ^^^^^

 

[dankusmellymuch]

snoop tucked his tale and bitched up back in the day during the BIG/PAC(not east/west) beef so his opinion on it is null and void.

biggie woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't.

subliminal shit is for corny coward rappers that reference ass fuckin way too much in their rhymes.

real recognize real, that's why Rick Ross will never be compared to Pac yet Diddy is calling him the next BIG.

 

[ImmortalGOAT]

I have listened to a lot of Pac and BIG and i hate when people try to compare these too legends are just 2 quality rappers who just need to be listened to and not compared

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

I've always preferred PAC to big that's just me, but biggie is also a favorite of mind

 

[FrozenMind]

Why not compare them?

Especially when they are completely different.

Big was dope, but IMO he was not even in the same league as pac. I can see how a casual fan could put them on the same pedestal, but I have heard almost every pac song and almost every big song more than once, some over 100 times and pac was just light years ahead of big, and im not saying big wasn't dope, because he was.

IMO he (big) had the best flow and more swagger than any other rapper ever, but so many of pacs songs were on some real shit like only he could spit.

 

[isayas]

I used to say that to avoid arguments.

 

[Punisher__]

Why?

Because he put the East Coast back on the map, during a time when hip-hop was being dominated by West Coast artists?

Or maybe because Biggie gave the genre a mainstream visibility, by making commercially successful music that was able to dominate the Billboard charts at the time?

Apparently, Biggie was the perfect balance of mainstream appeal and street aesthetics. A combination that the modern day emcee has pretty much perfected, and taken to new heights.

But are we to celebrate this? Or do we criticize it?

Most people will agree that Biggie, being the first "hood" rapper to really shake up the charts, was the first person to really start watering down the genre, and thus, making it disposable. And this is, without question, problematic because Biggie's successors to that street/commercial mentality, are THE very ones today making coon music...thus making Biggie responsible for an entire generation of coons, releasing coon music.

So why is Biggie to be celebrated, and not Pac, when both have done more harm than good to the music (and culture)?

 

[FrozenMind]

not this bullshit again...

 

[Punisher__]

Much respect to my brother in the struggle, Fazeem Blackall.

 

[LetEMknow]

Why?

Because he put the East Coast back on the map, during a time when hip-hop was being dominated by West Coast artists?

Or maybe because Biggie gave the genre a mainstream visibility, by making commercially successful music that was able to dominate the Billboard charts at the time?

Apparently, Biggie was the perfect balance of mainstream appeal and street aesthetics. A combination that the modern day emcee has pretty much perfected, and taken to new heights.

But are we to celebrate this? Or do we criticize it?

Most people will agree that Biggie, being the first "hood" rapper to really shake up the charts, was the first person to really start watering down the genre, and thus, making it disposable. And this is, without question, problematic because Biggie's successors to that street/commercial mentality, are THE very ones today making coon music...thus making Biggie responsible for an entire generation of coons, releasing coon music.

So why is Biggie to be celebrated, and not Pac, when both have done more harm than good to the music (and culture)?

Lol you need to be thinkin of a reason we should celebrate YOU my nicca..

 

[hrap-120]

not this bullshit again...

It aint bullshit, he articulated it nicely, now its our job to answer the question...might take me a minute.

 

[FrozenMind]

It aint bullshit, he articulated it nicely, now its our job to answer the question...might take me a minute.

its the same thread as last time except with biggie instead of pac being the discussion.

its going to be an exact repeat of the last thread. filled with nothing but talks of bigs diet, and pac being a ballerina.

than you will get your stans and haters arguing, and it will be 100 pages of the same conversation as every pac vs. big thread ever made on the internet.

nothing interesting or thought provoking will come from this.

im tired of pac and big threads...