The Official 2013 IC Race/Semi-Nationality Census Poll (re-edited, please re-cast your votes)

[ceothachosen1]

interesting

 

[The Lonious Monk]

lol @ non-africans being the absolute authority on africa, africans and its history, hilarious

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the foremost authorities on African history are not from Africa. Just because you live somewhere doesn't mean you know anything about the history, especially when by and large you might not have the money and resources to poor into gaining that knowledge. I would think this should be obvious given how little most people in the world know about what's going on in the present let alone the past.

 

[northside7]

Why are Africans and Black Americans in the same category but Caribbean Blacks in a different one? Caribbean Blacks have more in common with Black Americans than Africans do.

^^^What this person said.

 

[Rum Middleton]

100% Real Nigga...Daddy white..Mama black...from the IA....reside in the TX Valley...wit Mexicans...

 

[Stew]

100% Real Nigga...Daddy white..Mama black...from the IA....reside in the TX Valley...wit Mexicans...

 

[Jabu_Rule]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing? Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing? Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

No, I'm not saying that.

I just have no interest in saying which group has more in common with whom or has less in common with whom.

Nothing seems to be beneficial about making those types of statements.

Understanding different cultures and your history is always beneficial. Talking about commonalities is part of that. You can't identity what common or bridge a gap without noting the differences.

 

[Black Boy King]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing?[/b[ Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

No, I'm not saying that.

I just have no interest in saying which group has more in common with whom or has less in common with whom.

Nothing seems to be beneficial about making those types of statements.

did she just backtrack from her original statement that sparked the debate

 

[Jabu_Rule]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing? Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

No, I'm not saying that.

I just have no interest in saying which group has more in common with whom or has less in common with whom.

Nothing seems to be beneficial about making those types of statements.

Understanding different cultures and your history is always beneficial.

Yeah, I get that--I study different cultures all the time and come from three different ethnic tribes.

But explain to me how stating that Africans and West Indians have more in common with each other than African Americans is inherently beneficial for everyone.

Because it's nothing more then a fact that you seem to not want to consider for whatever reason. If you don't find benefit in knowing that two people in the same hemisphere who experienced a very similar history has more in common with one another then with those who didn't have that experience, then well you obviously don't want to understand other cultures nor do you respect peoples unique histories. It's basically understanding what created a bridge and learning ways to allow the diaspora to unify by understanding our differences with that relational factor being one of them.

 

[twatgetta]

The Carribbean people are in no way shape or form of African descent. And Whoever believes that shit needs to be

re-educated on the history,people and numbers of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. The American Blacks are more in family ties with the Carribbean people than the African, but don't even fuckin' know it. Whole other topic

 

[Black Boy King]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing?[/b[ Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

No, I'm not saying that.

I just have no interest in saying which group has more in common with whom or has less in common with whom.

Nothing seems to be beneficial about making those types of statements.

did she just backtrack from her original statement that sparked the debate

Nope.

Because I never said that African Americans have more in common with Africans than WI in this debate.

Not once.

Some people seem to have reading comprehension problems.

i think the shyt was phrased weird

cuz he said American Blacks had more in common with Carribean Blacks than Africans

and i took that as we have more in common with Carribean Blacks than we do with Africans. which is true

but yall comparin Carribean Blacks and Africans. it was a communication problem from the jump, i think

 

[Black Boy King]

yeah i was right, yall started confusin a nigga

this was the original sentiment you disagreed with.

Why are Africans and Black Americans in the same category but Caribbean Blacks in a different one? Caribbean Blacks have more in common with Black Americans than Africans do.

edit: didnt mean to son/daughter u in 2 threads at the same damn time, i dont rly check for screennames b4 i come up with my posts. no bias

 

[zombie]

The Carribbean people are in no way shape or form of African descent. And Whoever believes that shit needs to be

re-educated on the history,people and numbers of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. The American Blacks are more in family ties with the Carribbean people than the African, but don't even fuckin' know it. Whole other topic

explain the bolded because




Carribbean blacks are more african than some of the africans in africa.

 

[Undefeatable]

The Carribbean people are in no way shape or form of African descent. And Whoever believes that shit needs to be

re-educated on the history,people and numbers of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. The American Blacks are more in family ties with the Carribbean people than the African, but don't even fuckin' know it. Whole other topic

 

[Undefeatable]

First it's Black Americans have more in common with WI. Then it's that WI have more in common with Africans.

Well that is the case..

We all have inherited Africanisms from the continent--speech patterns, dialect, culture...that's actually enough for us to all have something in common with each other, without making it some trolling pissing match to see who has more in common with who.

We are better able to assimilate each others cultures but our cultures are distinct even if they have similar origins. Europeans share a lot with Africans too. Are you saying that African Americans didn't loose a lot of their culture through more direct oppression and brainwashing?[/b[ Did West Indians not have a better evironment to preserve African traditions and pass them back to us through emigration? Of course we preserved many traditions but not nearly as much if you look at the entire history and culture. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out and it's not a negative to gain information that was once lost to us. It's just in admission of fact. There is nothing wrong with discussing this and we don't have to feel as if we are creating division for pointing out our similarities and differences which when bought together improves the diaspora.

No, I'm not saying that.

I just have no interest in saying which group has more in common with whom or has less in common with whom.

Nothing seems to be beneficial about making those types of statements.

did she just backtrack from her original statement that sparked the debate

Nope.

Because I never said that African Americans have more in common with Africans than WI in this debate.

Not once.

Some people seem to have reading comprehension problems.

i think the shyt was phrased weird

cuz he said American Blacks had more in common with Carribean Blacks than Africans

and i took that as we have more in common with Carribean Blacks than we do with Africans. which is true

but yall comparin Carribean Blacks and Africans. it was a communication problem from the jump, i think

There was no communication problem. She came in here saying she disagreed with what I said, and what I said was that black West Indians have more in common with Black Americans than do Africans.

But when you really check it, she doesn't really disagree with that. All she wants to say is that Black Americans and Africans have more in common than is commonly thought.

 

[bambu]

"Black folks cant stick together"

This thread is exhibit C:

 

[northside7]

The Carribbean people are in no way shape or form of African descent. And Whoever believes that shit needs to be

re-educated on the history,people and numbers of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. The American Blacks are more in family ties with the Carribbean people than the African, but don't even fuckin' know it. Whole other topic

explain the bolded because




Carribbean blacks are more african than some of the africans in africa.

That was some foolishness that person posted.

Two main groups in Trinidad. Africans and East Indian. I'm a descendant of Africans.

Probably from the western part of Africa. I have seen a number of Ghanaians and Trinidadians that resemble each other.

 

[Bodhi]

Marcus Garvey said black people aren't Hebrews and that the religion was created by whites. Ask me for a reference and I will provide.

 

[Undefeatable]

Why are Africans and Black Americans in the same category but Caribbean Blacks in a different one? Caribbean Blacks have more in common with Black Americans than Africans do.

Nah, I disagree.

All the younger Africans I met while abroad (from age 10 to 30) were basically copies of young Black folx here: using our slang, loving our music, emulating our style, etc. Even trying to change their accents. More identified with BA culture than super traditional shit their parents were on, even tho they were proud of their ethnic heritage/tribal lineage.

We live in a global village w/ technology, anyway. I only noted extreme differences between African Americans and Africans who lived in extremely rural areas or who were of different generations.

so your saying that Ethiopian or Kenya kid got more in common with a kid from Harlem than a Trini or Jamaican.......?

Met a nigga from the Congo who couldn't speak his native language, used our slang routinely, said he related to Jay-Z more than traditional music, and only listened to hip hop. Another nigga who's pursuing a rap career and only fucks with Black American music. A few more niggas who stayed swagged out in hip hop gear and waved red, black and green flags even tho they were from Zimbabwe and Zambia.

Being over in Africa was basically like being home: dudes bumping Nas, Tupac and doing spoken word like it was Def Poetry Jam.

You niggas need to actually travel to African countries, meet different people, and what I'm spitting to you will click.

And what was it like when you went to the Caribbean?

 

[waterproof]

Anyone claiming Africa was one big united happy continent before colonialism [/b]has no idea what they are talking about. In fact, they are railing against colonialism and don't even fully understand why it was bad. Colonialism didn't fuck Africa (or the Middle East for that matter) up because they drew lines dividing people. Colonialism fucked Africa up because they drew lines without acknowledging the lines that were already there. So basically you wound up with countries comprised of people who were at odds, and then those colonists left without regard to the damage they had done.

explain yourself, because i'm pretty damn sure I know what I am talking about, but let's throw out that one big happy continent because I think that misleading to the people, nobody you can quote ever said that Africa was one united happy continent but Africa was a united continent before the invaders enter the home land....

there's to many many instances even after the ancient times that Africa came together as one united defending the homeland

Yall act like it was thousands of tribes in Africa which it wasn't in the ancient times, it was black people that serve a common god that had a common tongue that spread the empire out and reached lands far away from the mother land.

Africans lived in peace with each other, sure there might been some infighting what family does not have it but when it came to the land they was united as one, protect the country as one followed the laws of the living god as one, they lived in peace under one rulership as one and brought riches from other land back home as one, they was united this is well known

Please give examples of times when different regions of Africa came together as one to defend the continent. I don't know how many tribes there were in ancient times, but Africa was never a single united people. I'm not sure where you even got that. Even if you just look at east Africa, Cush and Kemet were to separate nations for the most part. They even went back and forth conquering the other. If they weren't even one united group despite the fact that they had a shared origin, how do you figure that they were united with the peoples of west Africa or central Africa or south Africa. All these groups were different. I'm not saying they were constantly warring with each other, but they were more like the Native American nations than some one united front.

Here is one depiction of African nations before Colonialism.

First of all i dont have to, it's up to u be a student and do the research and study to find the truth, this information didnt just fall in my lap, i had to dig, research, find people, professor's, scholars and alot of reading to find a whole lot of information, if you want to find out then put the leg work in and dont be lazy. now with that being said.....

First of all The black race is descend from Ethiopia that where HAM and SHEM the black race is from, that map you show really dont mean shit because we are talking about AFRICA being united and there was a time AFRICA WAS UNITED AS ONE.........

WHY THAT MAP DONT MEAN SHIT, this is why, do you know at one time there was no tribes or africans in west, south, central and north west africa.

you know why, if you was studied you would of known that there was no access to those points because there was swamps. seas, lakes and rivers, forest, inhabitable terrain, why do you think africans traveled east into africa that is known as the middle east and india not into west africa, when the invasion happen and africans was fleeing some traveled through that area and thousands of thousands of thousands africans died going through the swamps, rivers, lakes and desert trying to escape..

NOW we are getting a picture that africans lived only in the eastern and north east of africa and those africans were the SONS OF HAM aka Hamites

here's an bibical map that shows the black nation of HAM and the black nation of shem, HAM THE FATHERS OF THE BLACK RACE OF HAM AND SHEM, HAM WAS ONLY IN NORTH EAST AFRICA AND SHEM WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND INDIA BUT WITH THIS MAP YOU SEE KUSH WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ALSO

LUD, PHUT. MIZRAIM. CUSH, and CANAAN the sons of HAM was one empire that's the fathers of africa, they lived in peace, they worship the same. they looked the same, had the same heritage, THEY DROVE OUT EUROPEANS the early nomad cave man savages out of the land.. Cush gathered his brothers LUD. PHUT MIZRAIM and canan and drove out europeans many times, the texts is out there, the historical evidence is out there again is up to u to find it.....

also HAM conquered their cousin SHEM and all those names was apart of HAM and lived with HAM in peace

and YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT kush and khemet were separate nations i like how you state for the most part that tells me that you aint sure...

well let me tell you this EGYPT was a colony of KUSH, EGYPT states in their ancient texts that they are the sisters of KUSH, and egypt was allowed to prosper on their own but the only thing ethiopia told them not to allowed europeans into africa, lower egypt didnt like that so they wanted to break from upper egypt because upper egypt answered to ethiopia, ethipoia told upper egypt to bring back lower egypt, lower egypt let the greeks came in and when the greeks was making their power moves in started to make their way to upper egypt it was ethiopia with their brothers from Phut and Lud came to egypt and UNITED AS ONE BLACK AFRICAN NATION AND DROVE OUT THE INVADERS FROM EGYPT MULTIPLE TIMES...

so africa was united as one when it came to defend it's home, it's up to you to find it and search it's out there