The Official 2013 IC Race/Semi-Nationality Census Poll (re-edited, please re-cast your votes)

[Undefeatable]

Easy.

Caribbeans aren't relevant to my point.

I'm talking about my experience in a couple African countries and saying that we DO have more things in common than people are willing to acknowledge, and that gap needs to be bridged.

I never denied the bolded. So why did you nocosign my post then?

If you can't figure it out by now, I don't know what else to tell you.

Africans and Black Americans do have things in common. All I was saying is that blacks in the Caribbean and BA have more in common.

Why don't you just admit you were wrong, or at the least that you don't really know if I'm right or wrong?

proof?

Similar history & culture. Even hip hop is bigger down there, I'll bet. Anyway, I can't write too much now.

 

[GameChanga]

Why are Africans and Black Americans in the same category but Caribbean Blacks in a different one? Caribbean Blacks have more in common with Black Americans than Africans do.

Nah, I disagree.

All the younger Africans I met while abroad (from age 10 to 30) were basically copies of young Black folx here: using our slang, loving our music, emulating our style, etc. Even trying to change their accents. More identified with BA culture than super traditional shit their parents were on, even tho they were proud of their ethnic heritage/tribal lineage.

We live in a global village w/ technology, anyway. I only noted extreme differences between African Americans and Africans who lived in extremely rural areas or who were of different generations.

so your saying that Ethiopian or Kenya kid got more in common with a kid from Harlem than a Trini or Jamaican.......?

Met a nigga from the Congo who couldn't speak his native language, used our slang routinely, said he related to Jay-Z more than traditional music, and only listened to hip hop. Another nigga who's pursuing a rap career and only fucks with Black American music. A few more niggas who stayed swagged out in hip hop gear and waved red, black and green flags even tho they were from Zimbabwe and Zambia.

Being over in Africa was basically like being home: dudes bumping Nas, Tupac and doing spoken word like it was Def Poetry Jam.

You niggas need to actually travel to Africa, meet different people, and what I'm spitting to you will click.

unless you think hip hop=black culture, no.

go experience the entire black diaspora

Hip hop is deeply embedded in Black American culture, so there's no point in arguing otherwise.

Basically, I found a majority of Africans there still related with Blacks here, even if it was through music/culture styles and not a shared history of enslavement. There's still a foundation of Africanisms that we posses in our way of life that strikes a chord .

Besides the music, even African American speech patterns/dialect are derived from West African forms of language.

I highly recommend this book to anyone.

it seems that you are saying Af-Am have more in common with Black Africans then West Indians....which is just false.

I don't think it's either or... There's a great documentary called Soul Power that's based on the music concert before the Ali-Foreman fight in DR Congo (back then Zaïre).

Here's a clip called the "Best airplane ride in history" and it shows the syncretism between the cultures of the African Diaspora... It shows the strength of our heritage... It's got Celia Cruz y La Fania All Stars jamming with BB King and others... In the actual movie it shows the Cubans, Black Americans of different genres freestyle jamming with the people... As well as the concert itself... James Brown, Bill Withers, Miriam Makeba, amongst many others. There's an African artist whose female backup dancers did some wind it back sh!t that blew errbody minds... When you see them Cubans drumming on beat with native Africans... Everything clicks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGC3clIXx2I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Easy.

Caribbeans aren't relevant to my point.

I'm talking about my experience in a couple African countries and saying that we DO have more things in common than people are willing to acknowledge, and that gap needs to be bridged.

I never denied the bolded. So why did you nocosign my post then?

If you can't figure it out by now, I don't know what else to tell you.

Africans and Black Americans do have things in common. All I was saying is that blacks in the Caribbean and BA have more in common.

Why don't you just admit you were wrong, or at the least that you don't really know if I'm right or wrong?

proof?

closer history and higher rates of assimilation

Why are Africans and Black Americans in the same category but Caribbean Blacks in a different one? Caribbean Blacks have more in common with Black Americans than Africans do.

Nah, I disagree.

All the younger Africans I met while abroad (from age 10 to 30) were basically copies of young Black folx here: using our slang, loving our music, emulating our style, etc. Even trying to change their accents. More identified with BA culture than super traditional shit their parents were on, even tho they were proud of their ethnic heritage/tribal lineage.

We live in a global village w/ technology, anyway. I only noted extreme differences between African Americans and Africans who lived in extremely rural areas or who were of different generations.

so your saying that Ethiopian or Kenya kid got more in common with a kid from Harlem than a Trini or Jamaican.......?

Met a nigga from the Congo who couldn't speak his native language, used our slang routinely, said he related to Jay-Z more than traditional music, and only listened to hip hop. Another nigga who's pursuing a rap career and only fucks with Black American music. A few more niggas who stayed swagged out in hip hop gear and waved red, black and green flags even tho they were from Zimbabwe and Zambia.

Being over in Africa was basically like being home: dudes bumping Nas, Tupac and doing spoken word like it was Def Poetry Jam.

You niggas need to actually travel to Africa, meet different people, and what I'm spitting to you will click.

unless you think hip hop=black culture, no.

go experience the entire black diaspora

Hip hop is deeply embedded in Black American culture, so there's no point in arguing otherwise.

Basically, I found a majority of Africans there still related with Blacks here, even if it was through music/culture styles and not a shared history of enslavement. There's still a foundation of Africanisms that we posses in our way of life that strikes a chord .

Besides the music, even African American speech patterns/dialect are derived from West African forms of language.

I highly recommend this book to anyone.

it seems that you are saying Af-Am have more in common with Black Africans then West Indians....which is just false.

I don't think it's either or... There's a great documentary called Soul Power that's based on the music concert before the Ali-Foreman fight in DR Congo (back then Zaïre).

Here's a clip called the "Best airplane ride in history" and it shows the syncretism between the cultures of the African Diaspora... It shows the strength of our heritage... It's got Celia Cruz y La Fania All Stars jamming with BB King and others... In the actual movie it shows the Cubans, Black Americans of different genres freestyle jamming with the people... As well as the concert itself... James Brown, Bill Withers, Miriam Makeba, amongst many others. There's an African artist whose female backup dancers did some wind it back sh!t that blew errbody minds... When you see them Cubans drumming on beat with native Africans... Everything clicks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGC3clIXx2I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

im fully aware the diaspora is connected

 

[GameChanga]

@BlackGerald I didn't mean to suggest anyone is unaware... It's just that that movie is so amazing, I wanted to share that snippet... It also features Muhammad Ali giving commentary on how beautiful Zaire is to him... I think it's on Netflix too...

 

[bambu]

I use African American for classification purposes.......

all children is of their father seed

However.....

I have African & European ancestry.......

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

 

[SixSickSins]

Desperate bitch

I love when you cry, white boy. Keep up the good work.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

where my terrorist niggas at

 

[MrSoutCity]

Dominican(Not Santo or from DR) mix with Carib.

 

[Muhannad]

@BlackGerald and @Undefeatable are right, whether people wanna admit it or not. The Caribbean is way closer to Africa culturally. I've been to both regions and I can attest to that. @ The end of the day it shouldn't matter that much. We should focus on our similarities IMO. Marcus Garvey tried to tell ya'll...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Anyone claiming Africa was one big united happy continent before colonialism [/b]has no idea what they are talking about. In fact, they are railing against colonialism and don't even fully understand why it was bad. Colonialism didn't fuck Africa (or the Middle East for that matter) up because they drew lines dividing people. Colonialism fucked Africa up because they drew lines without acknowledging the lines that were already there. So basically you wound up with countries comprised of people who were at odds, and then those colonists left without regard to the damage they had done.

explain yourself, because i'm pretty damn sure I know what I am talking about, but let's throw out that one big happy continent because I think that misleading to the people, nobody you can quote ever said that Africa was one united happy continent but Africa was a united continent before the invaders enter the home land....

there's to many many instances even after the ancient times that Africa came together as one united defending the homeland

Yall act like it was thousands of tribes in Africa which it wasn't in the ancient times, it was black people that serve a common god that had a common tongue that spread the empire out and reached lands far away from the mother land.

Africans lived in peace with each other, sure there might been some infighting what family does not have it but when it came to the land they was united as one, protect the country as one followed the laws of the living god as one, they lived in peace under one rulership as one and brought riches from other land back home as one, they was united this is well known

Please give examples of times when different regions of Africa came together as one to defend the continent. I don't know how many tribes there were in ancient times, but Africa was never a single united people. I'm not sure where you even got that. Even if you just look at east Africa, Cush and Kemet were to separate nations for the most part. They even went back and forth conquering the other. If they weren't even one united group despite the fact that they had a shared origin, how do you figure that they were united with the peoples of west Africa or central Africa or south Africa. All these groups were different. I'm not saying they were constantly warring with each other, but they were more like the Native American nations than some one united front.

Here is one depiction of African nations before Colonialism.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I don't see how people can deny that Caribbeans are closer to Africans. African Americans had to deal with more focused and enduring methods of identity suppression. Caribbeans actually bought a lot of the culture back to us like the Marcus Garvey back to Africa movement. This doesn't mean we lost everything, people in the Carolina's kept it trill the most. African Americans (or U.S. of America's slaves and their descendents) created their own traditions to replace what was lost.

 

[twatgetta]

Somebody should just make a fuckin IC Profile Application and post it. this shit is creepy as hell.

 

[Chi Snow]

This thread screams identity theft

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

This thread screams identity theft

CB thread.

CB the nigga that knows if you asleep or not.

 

[Black Boy King]

This thread screams identity theft

how can you steal someones identity by knowing their race................

how u even know ppl tellin the truth, its a poll in a sub section of a dead hip hop forum..

 

[Black Boy King]

they said its gon be a downpourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[bambu]

lol @ non-africans being the absolute authority on africa, africans and its history, hilarious

Most African Americans have a misunderstanding of geography and history in general..........

 

[GameChanga]

lol @ non-africans being the absolute authority on africa, africans and its history, hilarious

Ikr...

 

[nawledge_god]

I Ain't Clickin Shit