The Official 2011 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

[Ibex]

Redskins draft grade :B+

- I'm blown the Rams got Quinn. I would've done backflips. That said, I'm happier with Kerrigan at 16 plus picks than just Quinn at 10. I think that Kerrigan doesn't have the ceiling of Smith or Quinn, but is an underrated athlete and more than talented enough to be our 2nd pass rusher. I think it's really being overlooked that having a guy like that with his motor is devastating when pair with another relentless guy like Orakpo. We have a very heady, talented, blue collar set of LBs. Tell me, who has the worst work ethic between Fletch, Rak, and Kerrigan? LBs are the heart and soul of the 3-4.

- I think Jenkins was the right pick since Ryan Williams was gone (damn). Paea would have been an undersized NT for us and not really long enough for DE. Austin has too many motor questions and I don't think he would have the right attitude to play some NT.

Jenkins offers us flexibility and multiple personnel packages. He may not be as talented, but I think he is our Raji. He and Carriker are our 3 down linemen. You put Bryant at NT on running downs. On passing downs, you kick Jarvis inside and put Jarmon at DE. Jenkins and Carriker are both big, strong and athletic enough to play the two man front in nickel packages.

- I think Hankerson at 79 is a steal, he's like Wayne without hands. Reggie initially had terrible hands and was very frustrating so Hank has hope. Our team is a great spot. Working with Mike and Kyle, tutoring from Santana and McCardell, and another mentor to vouch for Kyle in Andre Johnson. I expect Hankerson to be a gem.

- Says a lot that Shanny passed on all that RB talent and traded up for Helu with a lot of talent still on the board. I see a younger, healthier Torain with sub 4.4 speed. He could be a star.

I like that we got 6 defenders and 6 offensive guys. Lots of options and depth. 2 LBs, 2 DLs, 2 DBs, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 OL (to go with the 3 drafted last year). Shanny's roster overhaul is complete when you look up this season. He's laid a foundation and can spend the coming seasons upgrading. I see a roster where I'm comfortable with every unit and I only see a hole at center and QB and CB are wait and see.

After FA I expect our team to be much more competitive than anyone is giving credit for. We went through a complete revamp during the course of our season and still won 6 games. Between addition by subtraction of malcontents and poor fits, infusion of youth, bringing in pieces that fit, our transition to more blue collar mentality, and the natural growth of young players/familiarilty with the systems, that the Skins will be closer to contention for the Lombardi than Andrew Luck. Not saying we're there, but it's coming.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

Doubting Baldwin, but JJ Watt makes sense. With big Mario on the other side and Wade Phillips being one of the best DC's when it comes to getting to the QB -- he might have a good shot at double-digit sacks.

I'd still put my paper on Von Miller.

im Not doubting Baldwin cuz he has a Built in Running game that is gonna move the defense up, and also he has Bowe on the other side of him and also McCluster im looking to play more Slot this year....and Baldwin will be in a lot of 1 on 1 matchups in as a rookie i believe

And Also Mario Williams is Moving to Outside Linebacker this year i believe.

 

[greenwood1921]

im Not doubting Baldwin cuz he has a Built in Running game that is gonna move the defense up, and also he has Bowe on the other side of him and also McCluster im looking to play more Slot this year....and Baldwin will be in a lot of 1 on 1 matchups in as a rookie i believe

And Also Mario Williams is Moving to Outside Linebacker this year i believe.

You gotta remember that in the 3-4 the Outside linebackers ARE the defensive ends. They just stand straight up on some plays and run zone blitz's etc. These days, the 3-4 is just a retarded 4-3 with zone blitzes. Him and Watt will probably be *listed* as OLB's.

 

[greenwood1921]

Redskins draft grade :B+

- I'm blown the Rams got Quinn. I would've done backflips. That said, I'm happier with Kerrigan at 16 plus picks than just Quinn at 10. I think that Kerrigan doesn't have the ceiling of Smith or Quinn, but is an underrated athlete and more than talented enough to be our 2nd pass rusher. I think it's really being overlooked that having a guy like that with his motor is devastating when pair with another relentless guy like Orakpo. We have a very heady, talented, blue collar set of LBs. Tell me, who has the worst work ethic between Fletch, Rak, and Kerrigan? LBs are the heart and soul of the 3-4.

- I think Jenkins was the right pick since Ryan Williams was gone (damn). Paea would have been an undersized NT for us and not really long enough for DE. Austin has too many motor questions and I don't think he would have the right attitude to play some NT.

Jenkins offers us flexibility and multiple personnel packages. He may not be as talented, but I think he is our Raji. He and Carriker are our 3 down linemen. You put Bryant at NT on running downs. On passing downs, you kick Jarvis inside and put Jarmon at DE. Jenkins and Carriker are both big, strong and athletic enough to play the two man front in nickel packages.

- I think Hankerson at 79 is a steal, he's like Wayne without hands. Reggie initially had terrible hands and was very frustrating so Hank has hope. Our team is a great spot. Working with Mike and Kyle, tutoring from Santana and McCardell, and another mentor to vouch for Kyle in Andre Johnson. I expect Hankerson to be a gem.

- Says a lot that Shanny passed on all that RB talent and traded up for Helu with a lot of talent still on the board. I see a younger, healthier Torain with sub 4.4 speed. He could be a star.

I like that we got 6 defenders and 6 offensive guys. Lots of options and depth. 2 LBs, 2 DLs, 2 DBs, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 OL (to go with the 3 drafted last year). Shanny's roster overhaul is complete when you look up this season. He's laid a foundation and can spend the coming seasons upgrading. I see a roster where I'm comfortable with every unit and I only see a hole at center and QB and CB are wait and see.
After FA I expect our team to be much more competitive than anyone is giving credit for. We went through a complete revamp during the course of our season and still won 6 games. Between addition by subtraction of malcontents and poor fits, infusion of youth, bringing in pieces that fit, our transition to more blue collar mentality, and the natural growth of young players/familiarilty with the systems, that the Skins will be closer to contention for the Lombardi than Andrew Luck. Not saying we're there, but it's coming.

I think the Redskins had a decent draft. Nothing special, but Shanahan is known for picking solid players in the later rounds. Wouldn't be surprised if the bottom half of y'all draft turns out to be better than the top half.

 

[Ibex]

I think the Redskins had a decent draft. Nothing special, but Shanahan is known for picking solid players in the later rounds. Wouldn't be surprised if the bottom half of y'all draft turns out to be better than the top half.

Hankerson will have a better rookie season than Julio.......Avi bet that

 

[greenwood1921]

Hankerson will have a better rookie season than Julio.......Avi bet that

...Then again, honestly, and statistically, he just might. Julio wasn't brought in to get 100 recs and 1300 yds. We already have one of those. No matter what, Julio will probably be Ryan's third option (behind Roddy and Gonzo) and Julio will just spread the field out.

The Media keeps comparing the Falcon's offense to Peyton Manning and the colts, but the blueprint is actually more like the early 90s Cowboys.

Troy Aikman = Matt Ryan, Irvin = Roddy, Turner = Emmitt, Alvin Harper = Julio.

Especially since we'll still be a run-first offense like the Cowboys were and the Manning/Colts have never been.

And like I said earlier, all Julio has to do is get about 50-70 catches and be a down-field threat and he'll earn his check (and the trade).

 

[Ounceman]

I've been saying it all year, and I'll say it again re: Locker and Gabbert.

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

I'm very familiar with Gabbert and trust me when I tell you -- he was a combine warrior and hype product. Chase Daniel (Redskins backup) was better at Mizzou than Gabbert was and had better stats.

Locker -- while he didn't have the cutest year last year, he does have all of the things you want in a NFL QB. Not saying either will be great or will be garbage, but I just don't buy the hype that the Locker pick was a bad one. And I won't believe until he proves me wrong on the field.

That Vikings/Ponder pick doe....

O yea I agree. Which is why i stated this qb crop overall this year was not that special. Which is why I also thought us getting a qb in round one was a bit of a reach. And yea everybody says that about locker. He's a tough player, great work ethic etc... All the attributes u want in a great qb. But I'm still reserving my judgments That cracker still has alot to prove to me. But hey Palmer and munchak seem to love him so what do I know? I mean I'm just a fan that wants to win. Something he doesn't have a great track record of his college career. But for my team's sake I like u hope he proves me wrong.

@ KeepOnPushing: really? I mean I haven't closely followed him. I thought he might have given us the size and power we need. Is he that bad? Smh. Wow. Well would u say there's anything positive about him. At all? Or, with the proper coaching or training, he might have some promise? Any?

 

[Darius]

On Monday, Wisconsin Republican Congressman Paul Ryan spoke at Chicago's Economic Forum, and he warmed up the crowd with a lil' Cutler dig:

I want to thank you all for inviting me to speak. It was especially gracious of you to host me, even though I'm a Packers fan and I assume most of you are Bears fans. But that doesn't mean we can't work together. As chairman of the House Budget Committee, I stand ready to do whatever it takes to help you re-sign Jay Cutler. I'm here to talk about the economy today — about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not.

 

[greenwood1921]

Look like I gotta put this thread on my back doe - since the mods don't wanna re-sticky it.

Anyway.......

"AWESOME-WA" FREE-AGENCY UPDATE!

According to most experts including ESPN, these are the top teams in the running for Namdi....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/hot?id=6548175

Here's my top 5 in order of probability that they'll get Nnamdi....

1. Eagles - Only team along with the Falcons that have the combination of a playoff team, talent, AND cap space. Eagles will have about 40-50 Million in cap space (depending on the new cap when the CBA is done) And he might like the idea of playing across from another CB that QBs are afraid of.

2. Texans - Gang of cap space and young talent. Could probably get the biggest paycheck here, and the Texans probably need him more than any of the other 4 teams.

3. FALCONS - Like the Eagles, they'll have 40-50 Millie to throw around, they're 25th in the league in player salaries and Arthur Blank has already confirmed that he's looking to sign at least two big name free-agents on defense. Right now it's looking like Ray Edwards and either a D-lineman or Nnamdi. Blank is a beast with Free agent recruiting but something tells me those two free agents will be in the front seven.

4. Buccaneers - Like Houston, they have a gang of cap space, but their owners are cheapskates. Not sure if he wants to play on a team that technically is still rebuilding tho.

5. Cowboys - Hands down the WORST cap situation out of the 5 -- maybe in the league. They would be already over the cap if the cap was the same as last year, and even if it is at 140 or 150 millie, the Cowboys would just have about 5-10 million in cap space which is next to nothing when you consider they have to re-sign any free agents they already have and extentions, rookies, etc. But then again -- we're talkin' about Jerry Jones so he might pull something out.

And then you have....

33. Raiders - lol.

And yes, I know how many teams are in the NFL. LOL

 

[Mantequilla]

Interesting order Mantooth

Houston should honestly be at 5. Money aside -_- why would the games best want to play for the games worst? Didnt he make a tonne of cash the last couple of seasons alone. If the cowboys defensive results with that talent under Phillips resulted in that shit yearly, Imagine what he'd do with the Texans

If hes smart, he'd play for an immediate contender and actually chase some hardware, only the birds on that list offer him that

 

[#1 pick]

Look like I gotta put this thread on my back doe - since the mods don't wanna re-sticky it.

Anyway.......

"AWESOME-WA" FREE-AGENCY UPDATE!

According to most experts including ESPN, these are the top teams in the running for Namdi....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/hot?id=6548175

Here's my top 5 in order of probability that they'll get Nnamdi....

1. Eagles - Only team along with the Falcons that have the combination of a playoff team, talent, AND cap space. Eagles will have about 40-50 Million in cap space (depending on the new cap when the CBA is done) And he might like the idea of playing across from another CB that QBs are afraid of.

2. Texans - Gang of cap space and young talent. Could probably get the biggest paycheck here, and the Texans probably need him more than any of the other 4 teams.

3. FALCONS - Like the Eagles, they'll have 40-50 Millie to throw around, they're 25th in the league in player salaries and Arthur Blank has already confirmed that he's looking to sign at least two big name free-agents on defense. Right now it's looking like Ray Edwards and either a D-lineman or Nnamdi. Blank is a beast with Free agent recruiting but something tells me those two free agents will be in the front seven.

4. Buccaneers - Like Houston, they have a gang of cap space, but their owners are cheapskates. Not sure if he wants to play on a team that technically is still rebuilding tho.

5. Cowboys - Hands down the WORST cap situation out of the 5 -- maybe in the league. They would be already over the cap if the cap was the same as last year, and even if it is at 140 or 150 millie, the Cowboys would just have about 5-10 million in cap space which is next to nothing when you consider they have to re-sign any free agents they already have and extentions, rookies, etc. But then again -- we're talkin' about Jerry Jones so he might pull something out.

And then you have....

33. Raiders - lol.

And yes, I know how many teams are in the NFL. LOL

lol, what other big FA, Sign Nnamdi and Edwards and I'll do my dance.

 

[greenwood1921]

lol, what other big FA, Sign Nnamdi and Edwards and I'll do my dance.

Tommie Harris will be the steal of the FA crop, mark my words....

....no OU-mumo. LoL

 

[greenwood1921]

Interesting order Mantooth

Houston should honestly be at 5. Money aside -_- why would the games best want to play for the games worst? Didnt he make a tonne of cash the last couple of seasons alone. If the cowboys defensive results with that talent under Phillips resulted in that shit yearly, Imagine what he'd do with the Texans

If hes smart, he'd play for an immediate contender and actually chase some hardware, only the birds on that list offer him that

Lol. Killin me with that Mantooth ish. Might have to cop a mantooth avi out chea.

But I think Houston has a shot because they have cap space and motivation to give him the world. I'm talkin ridiculous guaranteed, Joe Johnson/haynesworth type paper (and he actually deserves it.).

I see them winning that division this year, and I still haven't heard from his mouth that he's only willing to go to a obvious contender. Fans and the media kinda just jumped to that conclusion cause he's been trapped on raider island gettin 4-5 wins a year all his career.

Being a Cali dude might work in ATL and houstons favor weather-wise, and against Philly's chances.

I'll say this doe -- he WON'T make anybody's D unbeatable because he's not the ball hawk that Deion was. He'll just make the opposing teams best WR disappear. Deion used to turn the game into 11 against 10. Nnamdi makes it 10 vs 10, because he cancels himself out too by playing the receiver instead of the ball like Prime did.

But he'll push any defense up the rankings at least 5 spots alone.

 

[greenwood1921]

...Thread still on my back doe...

ESPN'S projected Top 10 Deals to be made if/when the lockout ends.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6569714

- A new stadium for the Minnesota Vikings - May not sound that important, but if the Minnesota politicians have it their way, the Lakers won't be the only purple-and-gold squad to leave Minnesota for Los Angeles. Then Jags and Saints fans can breath easy.

- Kevin Kolb to the Arizona Cardinals - Would be a decent move for Arizona, but the Eagles would get the long end of the stick regardless (nh). Kolb ain't worth more than a 3rd rounder, but Philly will get more, especially considering GM's will be rushing to make moves because of time lost in the lockout. Mistakes will be made.

- Matt Hasselbeck re-signing with the Seattle Seahawks - Meh. Anybody got a spare *fuck* to give? Not me.

- WR Randy Moss, RB Darren Sproles to the St. Louis Rams - Smh and lol at Randy Moss' career being almost identical to Allen Iversons. Both have similar attitudes, similar freakish stalents. Both were all the rage in the late 90s early 2000s with stans-galore. With people thinking they would both win multiple chips and turn any team that they went to into instant contenders. Now look at'em. Getting tossed around from team to team like a Kardashian. And if there was a Pro Football league in Asia, Moss would be there right now in between blowing all his money in ATL. LoLz

- ** CB Nnamdi Asomugha to the NFC East -

*Eagles fans reading this like....

lol. But the Redskins might throw some paper at him too. Cowboys look unlikely but willing.

- DT Albert Haynesworth to Philadelphia -

*Eagles fans reading this like....

lol. Would be poetic justice for Skins fans that had to take shit from Eagles fans about McNabb (and for Peagle's hand in the Redskins roastification that I was 100% not affiliated with.)

- DE Ray Edwards to the Atlanta Falcons -

*I'm like....

Perfect compliment to an aging but peaking Abraham. The fact that Abraham got 13 sacks in 2010 without having a decent opposite DE OR having a dominant interior lineman OR the Falcons not having that many big leads (which is when DE's pad their sack totals) -- Is amazing. Now imagine his production with a DE that's younger, stronger, and can get 8-10 sacks on the other side. I likes. Plus, he currently knocking niggas out in MMA fights during the lockout.

- WR Steve Smith to the San Diego Chargers - Might be a good fit, but if Vincent leaves, he'll once again be by himself as the only top wide-out on the roster. Plus, he looked like he lost about 3 steps the last two years.

- QB Vince Young to the Miami Dolphins - Could be a good fit too. Dolphins have a good running game and decent receivers. Wouldn't trust Vince Young on South beach doe. I predict a major off-the-field incident. Him and Marshall might end up clothes-lining hoes on AND off the field. lol

- Chad Ochocinco to the New York Jets - NYC is perfect for Ocho's "look at me" attitude and his wannabe celebrity career. But it might turn out to be the NFL version of the Melo trade = exaggerated hype because a star is joining a NY team, but won't really help the team.

 

[greenwood1921]

Great drop pimpn but no Nnamdi? We still desperately need a secondary

guess we need 2 more years to build that secondary and be Superbowl contenders.........smh

Our secondary's issues are overrated, bruh. We could use another CB, but the way the season ended got a lotta nigga's gassed.

**And let's not forget that the same defense that got handled in the playoffs by the Packers also BEAT the Packers two months earlier and held them to 17 points.**

Our 3rd year safety Will Moore got 5 picks last year and is a top talent.

Dunta is in a do-or-die season.

Grimes is a pro-bowler.

I don't like Decoud, but he's serviceable.

Our problem is actually NB (nickel back). Signing Nnamdi could let Grimes and/or Dunta play the nickel which would make our CB group GOAT, but all we really need is a decent 3rd corner for passing situations.

Lame ass Chris Owens got dealt with play after play all season.

^^^^ After using the football part of my brain instead of the CS/Sportscenter/prisoner of the moment side of my brain -- the decision to trade up to get Julio and Joaquizz Rodgers makes perfect sense.

If you really know football you know that THIS is what really happened in that GB game...

- Game was tied 14-14 going into the half until Matty tried to force a predictable sideline pass to Roddy that got pick-sixed. (*Julio!)

- GB got the ball back with it at 21-14 and scored again, which forced us to abandon our usual ball-control offense and start gunning down field. (*Julio)

- And when *any* team falls behind and has to toss out the gameplan and gun down the field, the defense is in the advantage. They can "pin their ears back" and just rush the QB and fall back in coverage which can cause turnovers and a whole lot of 3-and-outs. (*Julio/Rodgers!)

- ^^^^ Which put our defense on the field too long, thus exposing weaknesses like Chris Owens. (*Julio!)

Julio and Rodgers gives our offense enough depth and options to not have to force it constantly to one wideout and control the clock and the ball which is what we do best anyway -- and open up big plays downfield to Roddy and/or Julio. Or even Harry Douglas who I hear is finally one hundred percent. Not to mention Eric Weems will get more burn on offense this year.

Keep in mind, the above is what made the Patriots so vicious in their 16-0 season with Moss. Their defense wasn't as good as their rank, but with the offense being able to do whatever the fuck they wanted (burn the clock, control the ball, and go downfield whenever) their defense didn't have to do much else but defend early leads which makes Defenses look A LOT better than what they really are. (especially statistically and on the scoreboard and sportcenter.)

And we just happen to have someone in our front office that had something to do with both the Julio trade and that Patriots Dynasty....

^^^ Two-time NFL Executive of the Year in just 3 years.

In Tommy I trust.

 

[greenwood1921]

Yea, I know that Pick 6 before halftime really fucked us and made the offensive one demensional. I'm happy we got anotha threat. All that dam speed from Roddy,Julio, Weems, and Douglas on the field at the same time w/ Matt Ryan's hurry up offense is going to be deadly. Tony slippin in the middle of the field for easy 5-10 yard catches. Norwood is healthy. I would like for them niggaz to run the spread. I just want a corner to complete our defense cuz like you said, when they force us into that nickle package it shows our weakness.

Yeah. We didn't put enough pressure on the QB either. My High School coach used to say some trill shit about rushing the QB (and he would know 'cause he was a Pro-Bowler for the Skins back in the day). He would say...

"Defending a good passing team is like having a sharp shooter point a gun at your head at point-blank range. You got TWO options... 1. Dodge the bullet. 2. Knock the gun out of his hand and beat his ass. You might get killed either way, but which option is more realistic?"

His point is that thinking you can stop an offense with coverage alone is like trying to dodge a bullet at point blank range. You give ANY starting QB in the nfl more than 3 seconds to find a open receiver -- HE WILL. And teams with good QB pressure and strong front-sevens make their DB's look a lot better than what they are.

I'd be just fine with signing a DT and Ray Edwards or CHarles Johnson from Carolina (but he's restricted.)

Co-sign about Norwood too. He's still one of the fastest dudes in the league but if Rodgers shows out in camp and Snelling keeps playing well, Norwood might get the ax.

 

[greenwood1921]

Yea, one thing I did notice about that Packers game is that our blitz packages wasn't that bad. They were getting to Aaron Rodgers punk ass but they were just missin the tackles. I remember watchin that game like it just happened a few weeks ago. I know we missed at least four or five sacks.

Werd. And I can't stress enough that we played them less than two months prior and held them to 17 points. That wasn't a pre-season game, bruh. That was a late season game with playoff implications for both teams. We just fell behind, panicked, and got ran over in the second half of that playoff game. Can't tell that to sportscenter fans tho. They think the offense and defense play on separate fields with the scoreboard turned off, lol.

But Vangorder (D.C.) was irking the fuck out of me all season not dialing up more blitz packages until the second N.O. game which was one of our best defensive games of the year.

I know blitzing puts pressure on the secondary, but nothing puts more pressure on a secondary than the QB having enough time to tie his shoes in the pocket.

If we can get early two-score leads and our defense can just sik the QB -- it could get real ugly out chea.

Interesting stat that I just figured:

We were just about 4 touchdowns away from going 16-0 last season. 26 points to be exact. (counting the total loss-margins and adding one point to each margin.)

I know it ain't that simple, but something tells me our Offense will score at least 4 more touchdowns than it did last year.

Smh @ at our margin of loss in the GB playoff game being identical to our TOTAL margin of loss in the ENTIRE regular season.

LoL

 

[peagle05]

lol i wouldnt even be mad if the eagles got haynesworth...remember we got jim washburn from tennesse, who was coaching that nigga when he was fucking shit up over there. but i damn sure wouldnt take him over nnamdi. not sure what the cap room would look like on that but if its one or the other nnamdi first

 

[HustleThaDon]

These niggas need to get this lockout shit over with.

 

[greenwood1921]

You never know, Peagle, y'all could convert him to O-Line. I'm sure your D-Coordinator knows a good O-lineman when he sees one.