The Official 2011/2012 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

[gucci7383]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...50&_slug_=nba-los-angeles-lakers-do-pau-gasol

who has insider to decode this shit

 

[gucci7383]

Broussard's Laker trade ideas

1) Bynum/Sessions for D-Will/Lopez

and

2) Gasol for Josh Smith/Marvin Williams

or

3) Gasol for Scola/Lowry/Budinger

Potential lineups:

D-Will/Blake/Morris

Kobe/MWP/G'Lock

Marvin Williams/MWP/Ebanks

Josh Smith/Hill/McRoberts

Lopez/Hill/Murphy

or

Lowry/Sessions/Morris

Kobe/G'Lock

MWP/Budinger

Scola/Hill/McRoberts

Bynum/Hill/Murphy

 

[DaBull]

The intriuging thing about Dwight is that he would improve the Defense by MILES!!!!!!!

he had a team that with jameer nelson, jj redick and turk in the top 5 Defenses in da league based on Him cleaning up their mistakes and his GOAT pick n roll defense. Bynum does it every 7 games, Dwight is everynight!!!!!!! but he dont want to come here so oh well

 

[OhPee]

kobe has had the MOST HELP of any top 10 player. More than Wilt,Mj,Kareem,Magic,Bird,Duncan,Hakeem,bill

The fuck are you talking about. Russell litteraly played with half the damn HOF. Between them, Magic and Bird played with the other half.

Scottie was one of the 5 best players of the 90s, i guy who came within a horrible foul call of leading the Bulls to the HOF without Jordan.

The Truth of the matter is The Lakers 00's dynasty is only worst than the Spurs from a talent standpoint. Their first three peat was Shaq & Kobe, and some old dudes who shot threes. Their recent back to back champions were Kobe, Pau and Lamar and thats pretty much it. Bynum was hurt both years, their bench was fucking horrible and they depended on freaking Trevor ariza and ron artest to be outside shooters. Both guys can't shoot.

what? '09 Lakers had one of the best 2nd units in the league. Good enough to reach a 4-6 seed in the Eastern Conf.

Odom, Farmar, Sasha, Turiaf, Powell, Brown were great pieces to have on the bench.

 

[OhPee]

Ariza was young, athletic and playing for his hometown. He was a great 3pt shooter for the team at the time, I'm still salty about him leaving till this day...

Artest has been pretty much a disappointment since he's been a Laker...I mean I know he won us that Game 7, but I thought we were getting the '09 Houston Rocket Artest who can drop 16pts a night

 

[OhPee]

we had shooters in the back 2 back years. Odom was our biggest loss..........

 

[saracenwire]

what? '09 Lakers had one of the best 2nd units in the league. Good enough to reach a 4-6 seed in the Eastern Conf.

Odom, Farmar, Sasha, Turiaf, Powell, Brown were great pieces to have on the bench.

remember Bynum was hurt, so Odom was starting. The rest of those guys were awful, turiaf wasn't even on the team anymore. You must be thinking about 08 when they lost to the Celtic. The bench played great that year and ended up with the stupid bench mob nickname. They never played that well again. Trevor got hot in the postseason because no one was guarding him. Before that and after that he's been awful. He's shot like 36% in New Orleans. go back and look at the numbers, the Lakers bascially won with three guys.

For years the Lakers have gotten away with signng average to below average role players to surround Kobe. Then when those guys don't perform everyone acts like Kobe is holding them back.

 

[playmaker88]

08 was the last time we had a very solid bench

 

[peradime]

I really hope Odom comes back...sixth man of the year when he was there! I was disappointed when they let him go, but then his emotions got to him and made him act like a baby. He should be happy that he was on a team. Pau didn't react like that at least, but I think it's time we trade him...

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

For all the good qualities Bryant showed both in his play and leadership, the Lakers’ start offered a few bad examples that proved too destructible.

First, involves how he carried the Lakers. (Mike) Brown took a shortcut by leaning too heavily on Bryant’s services. That resulted in Bryant averaging 38.5 minutes per game despite Brown’s numerous proclamations he’s play him between 33-35 minutes a night. It also contributed to Bryant shooting at a 43% clip, his lowest mark since his second year in the NBA. Say all you want about the Lakers’ inconsistent bench and transition period under a new system. But the Lakers would’ve been better served if they worked on finding the perfect balance between Bryant, (Andrew) Bynum and (Pau) Gasol. Instead, Bryant devoted a 27.9% plurality of his shots on isolation shots where he shot only 37.3%. Meanwhile, Brown found no scenarios to limit Bryant’s playing time until a shin injury left the Lakers’ coach with no other choice.

There were also instances where his high volume shooting hurt the team. Bryant and Brown somehow defended his six-for-28 clip in a New Year’s Day loss to Denver despite Bynum and Gasol going over 60% from the field in that game. Brown first criticized Bryant for shooting nine for 31 in a regular-season loss to Washington, but then quickly apologized even though the film showed they were bad shots. And then in two games of the Lakers-Thunder series, Bryant’s trigger-happy tendencies in the fourth quarter played a huge part in the team’s unraveling.

The bolded is exactly why the lakers wont win another title until 24 hangs it up

His bball iq wont allow it he still hasnt learned how to use his 7 footers to his benefit,this is also why shaq and kobe beefed its simple math b,the game is played INSIDE OUT and when kobe outshot shaq in the 04 finals(as usual a terrible 38% fg) ironically the lakers got smashed

#sledgehammerpost

 

[kacee139]

Undercover Laker fan^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[toheeb27]

Undercover Laker fan^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

U can mock him all u want, He is right though. I know numbers can sometimes not paint an accurate picture, but these ones compliment what i watched all season. Kobe failed to adjust to the new reality. And unfortunately, we did not have Phil or the Triangle to reign him in.

 

[kacee139]

Reading that piece seems like Mike Brown and the bench are the problem

 

[northside7]

LoL. Yeah, something like that..

 

[toheeb27]

Reading that piece seems like Mike Brown and the bench are the problem

There is no doubt that the Bench and Mike Brown are big issues. I just dont like when my fellow Laker fans act like Kobe is blameless. Dude is a part of the problem too.

 

[northside7]

Reading that piece seems like Mike Brown and the bench are the problem

There is no doubt that the Bench and Mike Brown are big issues. I just dont like when my fellow Laker fans act like Kobe is blameless. Dude is a part of the problem too.

I have called out Kobe a number of times. His late turnovers in Game 2 was the reason the Lakers lost that game.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

SMH @ it being Kobe's fault like he wasn't the reason we were even hanging with the Thunder in the 1st place. Kobe tried to play more "team-like ball" in game 1 only for his team to get blown out by 30. So to counter that, they came up with a different game plan which involved the team riding Kobe most of the time, which worked a lot better than that "everyone gets near equal touches" bullshit.

In brief, if the Lakers want to be in contention they need to trade wackass "can't even make the all-star game b/c my brother took my spot" Gasoft and immature "I decide when I'm going to play defense" Bynum for people who WANT TO WIN as bad as Kobe.

And no, we don't need to pick up Odom again, because his cons outweigh his pros. Like Gasol he's extremely soft and like Bynum he decides when he wants to play hard.

 

[yroholla]

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

 

[playmaker88]

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

they both need to go but.. somehow i think Jim buss bitch ass aint gonna move bynum he loves the kids as if he adopted him.. And kobe willbe taking 20+shots that just what he does. The quality of shots will go up once he gets to operate in the space thats afforded to alot of other players via shooters and someone that can create their own offense effectively

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

Bruh you can check someone all you want, but if they don't want to listen, they don't have to. Do you really think Kobe didn't tell both of them him off a few times? Bynum acts that way because it's his personality, as in you can't change it .. and the same thing with Gasol. When they're in their natural state of play, Bynum is immature and Gasol plays soft. It's only worse with Gasol because his skills are falling off as well.

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I disagree that Mike Brown is a clown, dude didn't get enough time to put his stamp on the team due to the lockout. Stop acting like it was a full season with training camp and all that, stop acting like he had time to really learn his team, stop acting like he didn't take Lebron's wackass team to 2 number 1 records and a Finals to add on to that. Basically, just give him a fair chance before you shit on him.

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And what do you mean by reliable PG. If you mean Deron Williams or Chris Paul, then yes. If you mean random PG with b-ball IQ ... HELL NO! Fans of other teams, always act like the Lakers only need a little tweak here and there, making it clear you don't watch the games like we do. ...

Also, Kobe is going to take his 20+ shots. Do you really expect someone who's puts in more work than everyone and is still one of the best in the league to change his game? Get it through your head, Kobe will NEVER CHANGE HIS GAME. He works harder than everyone else, his confidence is through the roof, and he's still effective. The day Kobe has to change his game, is the day he'll request a trade or retire. That's the difference between good and great. Dwyane Wade (good) is okay with letting his game suffer and becoming the Pippen (if that) of the group, while Kobe, Jordan (great) will always be the top dog because that's the way it is.