The Nag Hammadi Text and The Sethianism

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Sethian Gnosticism: A Study in Early Non-Orthodox Christianity

We see now that the Sethians have a very different interpretation of Jewish scripture. So, where does Jesus fit into all of this? Jesus is believed to one of the incarnations of the Son, sent here to awaken us to the True God, the Father, who is the all forgiving, all merciful, and all loving God of the new testament. This does seem to be in opposition to the vengeful and jealous God, who seemed intent on the fact that He was the only one true God in the Old Testament.


Again these sect of hebrews, what influence them, why did they all of sudden change and was a shift and broke away from the Hebrews

According to the gnostic gospels the teachings of Yeshua gave them insight into the Christ within and knowledge of a Supreme God.
 
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Not good enough again The Sethians had the Tanach just like all other Hebrews the ORIGINAL HEBREW SCRIPTURES, but they came with another scripture out of the blue. What cause them to have a different view, facts is that some type of hellenist doctrine crept in and influence them , i see they have the same thoughts of the Oasphe. was it spirits and a combination of the greek mythology.

You have to know hebrew history to understand what types of horror the ancestors went through when they didnt accept the heathen religion, but some did accepted it and became hellenist which they mixed with hebrew scripture
 
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To get a better understanding how Hebrews was treated and how some taked the heathen doctrine, you will better understand why some took the heathen doctrine mixed with their our tanach and the laws of our father, im going to post Apocrypha: 1 Macabees Chapter 1

Apocrypha: 1 Macabees Chapter 1

1 And it happened, after that Alexander son of Philip, the Macedonian, who came out of the land of Chettiim, had smitten Darius king of the Persians and Medes, that he reigned in his stead, the first over Greece,

2 And made many wars, and won many strong holds, and slew the kings of the earth,

3 And went through to the ends of the earth, and took spoils of many nations, insomuch that the earth was quiet before him; whereupon he was exalted and his heart was lifted up.

4 And he gathered a mighty strong host and ruled over countries, and nations, and kings, who became tributaries unto him.

5 And after these things he fell sick, and perceived that he should die.

6 Wherefore he called his servants, such as were honourable, and had been brought up with him from his youth, and parted his kingdom among them, while he was yet alive.

7 So Alexander reigned twelves years, and then died.

8 And his servants bare rule every one in his place.

9 And after his death they all put crowns upon themselves; so did their sons after them many years: and evils were multiplied in the earth.

10 And there came out of them a wicked root Antiochus surnamed Epiphanes, son of Antiochus the king, who had been an hostage at Rome, and he reigned in the hundred and thirty and seventh year of the kingdom of the Greeks.

11 In those days went there out of Israel wicked men, who persuaded many, saying, Let us go and make a covenant with the heathen that are round about us: for since we departed from them we have had much sorrow.

12 So this device pleased them well.


(You see how some wicked men of Israel who was in fear after Alexander the Great died went and make a covenant with the greeks, can this people the people who wrote the nag hammadi?? who mix paganism with our way of life?)

13 Then certain of the people were so forward herein, that they went to the king, who gave them licence to do after the ordinances of the heathen:

14 Whereupon they built a place of exercise at Jerusalem according to the customs of the heathen:

15 And made themselves uncircumcised, and forsook the holy covenant, and joined themselves to the heathen, and were sold to do mischief.


(The wicked men of Israel even build gymnasium's like the heathens)

16 Now when the kingdom was established before Antiochus, he thought to reign over Egypt that he might have the dominion of two realms.

17 Wherefore he entered into Egypt with a great multitude, with chariots, and elephants, and horsemen, and a great navy,

18 And made war against Ptolemee king of Egypt: but Ptolemee was afraid of him, and fled; and many were wounded to death.

19 Thus they got the strong cities in the land of Egypt and he took the spoils thereof.

20 And after that Antiochus had smitten Egypt, he returned again in the hundred forty and third year, and went up against Israel and Jerusalem with a great multitude,

21 And entered proudly into the sanctuary, and took away the golden altar, and the candlestick of light, and all the vessels thereof,

22 And the table of the shewbread, and the pouring vessels, and the vials. and the censers of gold, and the veil, and the crown, and the golden ornaments that were before the temple, all which he pulled off.

23 He took also the silver and the gold, and the precious vessels: also he took the hidden treasures which he found.

24 And when he had taken all away, he went into his own land, having made a great massacre, and spoken very proudly.


^^^^Look how the heathens invade our home, robbed our holy places
 
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Apocrypha: 1 Macabees Chapter 1

25 Therefore there was a great mourning in Israel, in every place where they were;

26 So that the princes and elders mourned, the virgins and young men were made feeble, and the beauty of women was changed.

27 Every bridegroom took up lamentation, and she that sat in the marriage chamber was in heaviness,

28 The land also was moved for the inhabitants thereof, and all the house of Jacob was covered with confusion.


(Israel mourned for our home and holy place was robbed by the heathens)

29 And after two years fully expired the king sent his chief collector of tribute unto the cities of Juda, who came unto Jerusalem with a great multitude,

30 And spake peaceable words unto them, but all was deceit: for when they had given him credence, he fell suddenly upon the city, and smote it very sore, and destroyed much people of Israel.

31 And when he had taken the spoils of the city, he set it on fire, and pulled down the houses and walls thereof on every side.

32 But the women and children took they captive, and possessed the cattle.

33 Then builded they the city of David with a great and strong wall, and with mighty towers, and made it a strong hold for them.


(The Greek Heathens came back 2 years later and went on a blood thirsty rampage.)

34 And they put therein a sinful nation, wicked men, and fortified themselves therein.

35 They stored it also with armour and victuals, and when they had gathered together the spoils of Jerusalem, they laid them up there, and so they became a sore snare:

36 For it was a place to lie in wait against the sanctuary, and an evil adversary to Israel.

37 Thus they shed innocent blood on every side of the sanctuary, and defiled it:

38 Insomuch that the inhabitants of Jerusalem fled because of them: whereupon the city was made an habitation of strangers, and became strange to those that were born in her; and her own children left her.

39 Her sanctuary was laid waste like a wilderness, her feasts were turned into mourning, her sabbaths into reproach her honour into contempt.

40 As had been her glory, so was her dishonour increased, and her excellency was turned into mourning.


Jersualem was trodden down with the heathens it was no longer a holy place of Isarel
 
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Apocrypha: 1 Macabees Chapter 1

41 Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people,

42 And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king.

43 Yea, many also of the Israelites consented to his religion, and sacrificed unto idols, and profaned the sabbath.


(After all the deaths, robbery of our tabernacles and destruction of our homes and holy places, the rapes........the weak man and women of Isreal forgot about Yahuwahs and the Laws of Moses from Yahuwah and consented to the heathen doctrine)

44 For the king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that they should follow the strange laws of the land,

45 And forbid burnt offerings, and sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should profane the sabbaths and festival days:

46 And pollute the sanctuary and holy people:

47 Set up altars, and groves, and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and unclean beasts:

48 That they should also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation:

49 To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances.


(Look at this wickedness and this abomination, these heathen tried and tell us to do these ungodly things, sacrificing swines flesh at our altars, making our children to be uncircumcised)

50 And whosoever would not do according to the commandment of the king, he said, he should die.

They threaten the ancestors with DEATH if we didnt do those abombinations
 
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Apocrypha: 1 Macabees Chapter 1

51 In the selfsame manner wrote he to his whole kingdom, and appointed overseers over all the people, commanding the cities of Juda to sacrifice, city by city.

52 Then many of the people were gathered unto them, to wit every one that forsook the law; and so they committed evils in the land;


( Look atthese heathens did to us made some of us to forsake the law,This is nothing new for us and our ancestors they always appointed overseers of us , this is what Paul means in Galatians 4

4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be mstr of all;

4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.)

53 And drove the Israelites into secret places, even wheresoever they could flee for succour.
(Some of us left and Hid so we wont turn to heathens and continuing in our hebrew ways and follow our Father like our ancesters.)

54 Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side;

55 And burnt incense at the doors of their houses, and in the streets.

56 And when they had rent in pieces the books of the law which they found, they burnt them with fire.


(The Heathens set up a place of worship of their pagan gods in our cities and burned our holy books)

57 And whosoever was found with any the book of the testament, or if any committed to the law, the king's commandment was, that they should put him to death.

58 Thus did they by their authority unto the Israelites every month, to as many as were found in the cities.


(If we was found with the tanach on us or in our homes and found following the laws of our father we was put to death, this is what the greek heathens done to us)

59 Now the five and twentieth day of the month they did sacrifice upon the idol altar, which was upon the altar of God.

(I told a person on here that the heathens made special days for their gods, and he was acting like a fool)

60 At which time according to the commandment they put to death certain women, that had caused their children to be circumcised.

61 And they hanged the infants about their necks, and rifled their houses, and slew them that had circumcised them.


(Our sisters and mothers who are strong black beautiful hebrew women us is our backbone told those heathens that they will not take their customs and circumsied their male children and the heathen hanged those beautiful black hebrew babies that was killed by the heathens around the mother's neck then killed the mothers, NOW THAT'S THE DEVIL)

62 Howbeit many in Israel were fully resolved and confirmed in themselves not to eat any unclean thing.

63 Wherefore the rather to die, that they might not be defiled with meats, and that they might not profane the holy covenant: so then they died.

64 And there was very great wrath upon Israel.


But the Kings, Warriors and Holy men of israel with our women stayed resolved and kept our fathers law and did not profane the holy covenant and died for our heritage.
 
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According to the Nag Hammadi gosepls they believe Yah/Jehova to be the DEMIURGE God of this material world. This is said to be all allegorical for representing the Sun and/or the planet Saturn... I was doing some research and I wonder why masonic organizations in past used the "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra who is the Ancient Egyptian sun god? And why do certain masonic organizations use it today for the old testament god in freemason books and for Jehova witness pyramid???

This is the Ancient Egyptian Masonic "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra

eye_ra.jpg


This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"

Masonic%20Traveler.jpg


This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid

pyramid+of+JW.gif


This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

eyeallseeingmoney450.jpg
 
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beenwize;3981785 said:
According to the Nag Hammadi gosepls they believe Yah/Jehova to be the DEMIURGE God of this material world. This is said to be all allegorical for him representing the Sun and/or the planet Saturn... I was doing some research and I wonder why masonic organizations in past used the "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra who is the Ancient Egyptian sun god? And why do certain masonic organizations use it today for the old testament god in freemason books and for Jehova witness pyramid?

This is the Ancient Egyptian Masonic "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra

eye_ra.jpg


This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"

Masonic%20Traveler.jpg


This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid

pyramid+of+JW.gif


This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

eyeallseeingmoney450.jpg

I’m not sure if you are bullshitting but…This is not the “all seeing eye” of Amen-Ra. That is the eye of Horus, the Egyptian god of the sky 'The One Far Above'. Horus is represented by the famous “all seeing eye” from above. Amen-Ra was the combination of the Amen “the king of gods” and Ra “the sun god.” Amun was represented as a ram or a man with a ram head. Ra was represented as a man with a sun disk atop a hawk head. So your research connecting Amun Ra, Yah/Jehova, freemasonry, Jay-Z, and Jehovah ’s Witness pyramids is baseless.

@ Waterproof…Interesting thread, I have also done some research on the Nag Hammadi, but have not looked at it from your perspective. Some of the gospels have been dated around 400 c.e. well after the death of Christ and in the middle of the “organization” of the Christian religion. I’m not sure if a clear cause can be attributed to why these belief systems came into existence, but I think they illustrate how diverse some belief systems were prior to the European politicization and organization of early modern religions.
 
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bambu;3983080 said:
I’m not sure if you are bullshitting but…This is not the “all seeing eye” of Amen-Ra. That is the eye of Horus, the Egyptian god of the sky 'The One Far Above'. Horus is represented by the famous “all seeing eye” from above. Amen-Ra was the combination of the Amen “the king of gods” and Ra “the sun god.” Amun was represented as a ram or a man with a ram head. Ra was represented as a man with a sun disk atop a hawk head. So your research connecting Amun Ra, Yah/Jehova, freemasonry, Jay-Z, and Jehovah ’s Witness pyramids is baseless.

@ Waterproof…Interesting thread, I have also done some research on the Nag Hammadi, but have not looked at it from your perspective. Some of the gospels have been dated around 400 c.e. well after the death of Christ and in the middle of the “organization” of the Christian religion. I’m not sure if a clear cause can be attributed to why these belief systems came into existence, but I think they illustrate how diverse some belief systems were prior to the European politicization and organization of early modern religions.

it's called the "all seeing eye of ra" and the all seeing eye of horus... click the link below and do some research.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...urce=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=SQn7Tvm5EKHm0QHvmZDLAg

http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/freemasonry/index.htm

http://whatisthepyramid.com/tag/all-seeing-eye/

This symbol and its many different abstractions shows up in so many places (churches, hospitals, currency, legal documents, movies, songs, song art, corporate logos, ritual and occult literature) that there cannot be any explanation other than there is some unifying factor causing the use of this symbol either purposefully or not. This symbol ties directly to Egyptian mythology and symbolism of the Eye of Ra, or the Eye of Horus.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
 
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bambu;3983092 said:
I do not need to follow any of your research links..... It is mistakenly called the all seeing eye of Ra by those ignorant of ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses.

it doesn't matter then my question was why do certain masnoic organizations use the eye to represent yahweh/jehovah of the old testament as done below or in jehovah witness church. that was the question don't come in here emotional.

horuseye2.jpg


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Why would I get emotional about this shit...I simply tried to show a flaw in your research. Masonic organizations and other groups use ancient symbols all the time, often ignorant of their original purposes or representations. A picture from a comic book illustrating the "eye of Ra" does not help validate its historical use. The sun god was not represented by the eye, flipping it on its ass and tracing the letter R only shows that someone has far too much research time on their hands.
 
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bambu;3983109 said:
Why would I get emotional about this shit...I simply tried to show a flaw in your research. Masonic organizations and other groups use ancient symbols all the time, often ignorant of their original purposes or representations. A picture from a tattoo shop illustrating the "eye of Ra" does not help validate its historical use. The sun god was not represented by the eye, flipping it on its ass and tracing the letter R only shows that someone has far too much research time on their hands.

i think it's a flaw in your research... the all seeing eye is of Ra and Horus. My question is why they use it for Yahweh/Jehovah if you can't answer that then I don't need your input.

Clearly Amen means something as everyone says it at the end of prayer. They say it means "truly" in hebrew but many ppl beg to differ after doing deeper research.

the fact that an all seeing eye is used for both of these god thru masonic organizations is very interesting to to say the least.
 
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I did not come in this thread to destroy brother, with that being said your understanding of history is limited....

Akhenaten banned the worship of the Amen in favor of the Aten(hence the title Akhenaten), he did so because its popularity was greater than his own, which probably explains it continued use throughout history at the end of prayer.

Moses means "son of" example: Pharaoh Rameses = Ra + moses = the son of Ra..... Pharoah Thutmose = Thoth + moses= the sun of Thoth(the god of writing and knowledge) It is written that he banned the worship of the calf (most likely a symbol for a moon deity)amongst early Hebrews.

It is interesting that masonic organizations use not only the eye of Horus, but also the obelisk and several other ancient symbols.

As far as why "they"(Hebrews?) use the symbol for Yahweh/Jehovah, I have no idea I'm not one of them, but I think that they were more likely copying from their former masters.
 
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bambu;3983080 said:
I’m not sure if you are bullshitting but…This is not the “all seeing eye” of Amen-Ra. That is the eye of Horus, the Egyptian god of the sky 'The One Far Above'. Horus is represented by the famous “all seeing eye” from above. Amen-Ra was the combination of the Amen “the king of gods” and Ra “the sun god.” Amun was represented as a ram or a man with a ram head. Ra was represented as a man with a sun disk atop a hawk head. So your research connecting Amun Ra, Yah/Jehova, freemasonry, Jay-Z, and Jehovah ’s Witness pyramids is baseless.

@ Waterproof…Interesting thread, I have also done some research on the Nag Hammadi, but have not looked at it from your perspective. Some of the gospels have been dated around 400 c.e. well after the death of Christ and in the middle of the “organization” of the Christian religion. I’m not sure if a clear cause can be attributed to why these belief systems came into existence, but I think they illustrate how diverse some belief systems were prior to the European politicization and organization of early modern religions.

shalom brother, just know Yahuwah in the tanach called the egyptians his people as well.... Im will add and address your post further but my uncle pass and im with my family celebrating right now on the passing.
 
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bambu;3983179 said:
I did not come in this thread to destroy brother, with that being said your understanding of history is limited....

Akhenaten banned the worship of the Amen in favor of the Aten(hence the title Akhenaten), he did so because its popularity was greater than his own, which probably explains it continued use throughout history at the end of prayer.

Moses means "son of" example: Pharaoh Rameses = Ra + moses = the son of Ra..... Pharoah Thutmose = Thoth + moses= the sun of Thoth(the god of writing and knowledge) It is written that he banned the worship of the calf (most likely a symbol for a moon deity)amongst early Hebrews.

It is interesting that masonic organizations use not only the eye of Horus, but also the obelisk and several other ancient symbols.
As far as why "they"(Hebrews?) use the symbol for Yahweh/Jehovah, I have no idea I'm not one of them, but I think that they were more likely copying from their former masters.

None of what you are saying is dealing with the question I initially asked lol with the fact that Masonic organizations use the Old Testament god in the same frame that Amen-Ra was used. I presented some proof of this in previous post with use of the "Eye of Ra" with the old testament god in masonic books, use of the pyramid for Jehova Witness church, Jay-Z use of name of the old testament god and "all seeing eye" pyramid. The same occurs in the masonic Bible I have heard.. Also Akhenaten banned the worship of all other gods in favor of Aten who is known as the DISK of the Sun and also an aspect of the Egyptian Sun God Ra.

bambu;3983179 said:
It is interesting that masonic organizations use not only the eye of Horus, but also the obelisk and several other ancient symbols.
As far as why "they"(Hebrews?) use the symbol for Yahweh/Jehovah, I have no idea I'm not one of them, but I think that they were more likely copying from their former masters.

In that case I really don't understand the point of your reply if you couldn't address my question.
 
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beenwize;3987746 said:
None of what you are saying is dealing with the question I initially asked lol with the fact that Masonic organizations use the Old Testament god in the same frame that Amen-Ra was used. I presented some proof of this in previous post with use of the "Eye of Ra" with the old testament god in masonic books, use of the pyramid for Jehova Witness church, Jay-Z use of name of the old testament god and "all seeing eye" pyramid. The same occurs in the masonic Bible I have heard.. Also Akhenaten banned the worship of all other gods in favor of Aten who is known as the DISK of the Sun and also an aspect of the Egyptian Sun God Ra.

In that case I really don't understand the point of your reply if you couldn't address my question.

Look homie, save the bullshit.... I replied because your research and theory was incorrect. You provided no proof of anything other than some pictures from a google image search. Don't come at me after you edited your argument to appear somewhat valid.

I see that you have gone back and edited your posts to make your argument more valid and less nonsensical. Originally you stated that Akhenaten banned worship of all gods which left the supreme Amen-Ra. Then you removed a picture from a tattoo shop proving that the eye of Horus was the "all seeing eye of Ra" and replaced it with a image from a comic book. As a matter of fact all of your posts have been changed!!

If you think that you proved anything as far your research goes, you are mistaken. The only thing that you have proven is that it took you over 24 hours to find out very basic aspects of Egyptian history.

Your question about the use of ancient symbols was answered.... you just cant grasp the proper understanding. I will post where the fuck I want to regardless of what you think.

Ole' let me change what I said earlier so I seem more realer head ass nigga.....
 
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bambu;3988933 said:
Look homie, save the bullshit.... I replied because your research and theory was incorrect. You provided no proof of anything other than some pictures from a google image search. Don't come at me after you edited your argument to appear somewhat valid.

I see that you have gone back and edited your posts to make your argument more valid and less nonsensical. Originally you stated that Akhenaten banned worship of all gods which left the supreme Amen-Ra. Then you removed a picture from a tattoo shop proving that the eye of Horus was the "all seeing eye of Ra" and replaced it with a image from a comic book. As a matter of fact all of your posts have been changed!!

If you think that you proved anything as far your research goes, you are mistaken. The only thing that you have proven is that it took you over 24 hours to find out very basic aspects of Egyptian history.

Your question about the Hebrew's was answered.... you just cant grasp the proper understanding. I will post where the fuck I want to regardless of what you think.

Ole' let me change what I said earlier so I seem more realer head ass nigga.....

What research and theory was incorrect? The use of the "all seeing eye of Ra" is a valid fact and I posted the images for proof.

1. The Jehovah witness pyramid is a valid fact.

2. The masonic book titled "Under the shadow of Jehova's wing" is a valid fact.

3. The use of Ra, Amen-Ra and many Egyptian deities in the masonic Bible is a valid fact.

4. Egyptian Pharoah Ahkenanten banning the worship of other gods in favor of Aten who is ALSO an aspect of the sun god Ra is a valid fact. So if I said Amen-Ra at first it's still an aspect of the same sun god I see from various sources of research.

5. The use of the "all seeing eye of Ra' for god on the dollar bill is a valid fact.

6. Jay-Z use of the old testament name for god Jehovah is a valid fact as well as his use of the pyramid and "Eye of Ra" so how is that baseless considering all the evidence?

6. Go back and re-read my first post and understand that your reply was irrelevant to my post in the first place. I asked a question and your reply was not an answer to it but a cry and rant. Lol chill out buddy.

7. You answered my question about Hebrew by saying "you have no idea because you are not one of them."

bambu;3988933 said:
I see that you have gone back and edited your posts to make your argument more valid and less nonsensical. Originally you stated that Akhenaten banned worship of all gods which left the supreme Amen-Ra. Then you removed a picture from a tattoo shop proving that the eye of Horus was the "all seeing eye of Ra" and replaced it with a image from a comic book. As a matter of fact all of your posts have been changed!!

That's not true, all of my post were not changed unless I added something to it. The only thing i removed from my post was where I stated Ahkenatan banned other gods and left Amen-Ra becuz when I did the research I found the same story using various sources and I can show the links to prove it. Aten is a SUN DISK god and Ra is a SUN god. Aten is also an aspect of the same sun god Ra so there is no big difference between Amen-Ra, Ra, or Aten they are all SUN DEITIES. Either way that had nothing to do with my initial question.
 
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