The Nag Hammadi Text and The Sethianism

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bambu;3991633 said:
Nigga you started carrying on bout the eye of Amen-Ra, ignorant of the symbol in the first place.

How bout I just dissect your research...."However, one can often find images called The Eye of Horus, when in fact they are the Eye of Ra and the opposite. This is partially due to the artistic license used when representing the Eye of Horus, as it was often painted from either perspective. So, it is fair to say that the eye can be drawn facing either direction and still be referred to as the Eye of Horus." And this rests my case, you claim that its use in connection to the Hebrew god was to the sun god, prove it or shut the fuck up.

Lol you are done nigga. Get yo as the fuk out of here u don't even present evidence of shyt. The Eye is referred to both as the Eye of Ra AND the Eye of Horus. Go lick yo wounds and run coward. Now since I prove your ass wrong you want to say I said Amen-Ra at first instead of just "Ra" wen I already said I meant Ra in the first place which I stated a long time ago fool.

bambu;3991399 said:
I have acknowledged that it was referred to as the eye of Ra, but it was not a symbol attributed to the sun god.

bambu;3983092 said:
It is mistakenly called the all seeing eye of Ra by those ignorant of ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses.

^^^ Lol

You sound dumb as fuk nigga... At first you stated that it was not called the "Eye of Ra" at all but only the 'Eye of Horus" now you changing it up and saying you now acknowledge it was referred to as the eye of Ra which I had been saying all along. Lol

How can you now say it was referred to as the eye of Ra but not the sun god? punk nigga Ra is the Ancient Egyptian SUN god so how can a symbol be attributed to him and not be at the same time?

READ BELOW NIGGA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

Ra (alternatively spelled Re and properly transliterated as Rꜥ) is the ancient Egyptian sun god. By the Fifth Dynasty he had become a major deity in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the mid-day sun. The meaning of the name is uncertain, but it is thought that if not a word for 'sun' it may be a variant of or linked to words meaning 'creative power' and 'creator'.[1]

To the Egyptians, the sun represented light, warmth, and growth. This made the sun deity very important as the sun was seen as the ruler of all that he created. The sun disk was either seen as the body or eye of Ra.

bambu;3991633 said:
And this rests my case, you claim that its use in connection to the Hebrew god was to the sun god, prove it or shut the fuck up.

LOOK below bitch nigga. Check the Masonic Bible as well.

This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"

Masonic%20Traveler.jpg


This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid

pyramid+of+JW.gif


This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

eyeallseeingmoney450.jpg
 
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bambu;3991633 said:
Eye of Horus." And this rests my case, you claim that its use in connection to the Hebrew god was to the sun god, prove it or shut the fuck up.

Once again look below nigga in the pyramid is the name of the Hebrew god at the Chapel of the Palace of Versailles in France.

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beenwize;3991659 said:
Lol you are done nigga. Get yo as the fuk out of here u don't even present evidence of shyt. The Eye is referred to both as the Eye of Ra AND the Eye of Horus. Go lick yo wounds and run coward. Now since I prove your ass wrong you want to say I said Amen-Ra at first instead of just "Ra" wen I already said I meant Ra in the first place which I stated a long time ago fool.

You are a dumb nigga, the only thing you have proven is that you have a limited understanding of history. My first post in this thread explained the symbols for Ra, Amen, and Horus, you can call it whatever you want but my first post cannot be proven wrong by you or any historian you named. Coward nigga... editing your ignorance, but the fact remains that you had no clue about this shit 24 hours ago. I have no wounds, I came in this thread to point out your ignorance and it was easy. I have not hidden anything or "meant to say anything" unlike your bitch ass...

Ole' I meant to say this, but I said that head ass nigga.

Comic book, fiction researching ass nigga
 
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beenwize;3991697 said:
Once again look below nigga in the pyramid is the name of the Hebrew god at the Chapel of the Palace of Versailles in France.

And how does this prove its connection to Amun-Ra, I meant to say Ra?
 
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bambu;3991787 said:
You are a dumb nigga, the only thing you have proven is that you have a limited understanding of history. My first post in this thread explained the symbols for Ra, Amen, and Horus, you can call it whatever you want but my first post cannot be proven wrong by you or any historian you named. Coward nigga... editing your ignorance, but the fact remains that you had no clue about this shit 24 hours ago. I have no wounds, I came in this thread to point out your ignorance and it was easy. I have not hidden anything or "meant to say anything" unlike your bitch ass...

Ole' I meant to say this, but I said that head ass nigga.
Comic book, fiction researching ass nigga

stop repeating yourself like a broken record bitch... I already buried you nigga.

Lol you are done nigga. Get yo as the fuk out of here u don't even present evidence of shyt. The Eye is referred to both as the Eye of Ra AND the Eye of Horus. Go lick yo wounds and run coward. Now since I prove your ass wrong you want to say I said Amen-Ra at first instead of just "Ra" wen I already said I meant Ra in the first place which I stated a long time ago fool.

bambu;3991399 said:
I have acknowledged that it was referred to as the eye of Ra, but it was not a symbol attributed to the sun god.

bambu;3983092 said:
It is mistakenly called the all seeing eye of Ra by those ignorant of ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses.

^^^ Lol

You sound dumb as fuk nigga... At first you stated that it was not called the "Eye of Ra" at all but only the 'Eye of Horus" now you changing it up and saying you now acknowledge it was referred to as the eye of Ra which I had been saying all along. Lol

How can you now say it was referred to as the eye of Ra but not the sun god? punk nigga Ra is the Ancient Egyptian SUN god so how can a symbol be attributed to him and not be at the same time?

READ BELOW NIGGA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

Ra (alternatively spelled Re and properly transliterated as Rꜥ) is the ancient Egyptian sun god. By the Fifth Dynasty he had become a major deity in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the mid-day sun. The meaning of the name is uncertain, but it is thought that if not a word for 'sun' it may be a variant of or linked to words meaning 'creative power' and 'creator'.[1]

To the Egyptians, the sun represented light, warmth, and growth. This made the sun deity very important as the sun was seen as the ruler of all that he created. The sun disk was either seen as the body or eye of Ra.
 
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bambu;3991801 said:
And how does this prove its connection to Amun-Ra, I meant to say Ra?

Where does the origin of the pyramid and eye come from nigga?

Check the Masonic Bible as well.

This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"

Masonic%20Traveler.jpg


This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid

pyramid+of+JW.gif


This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

eyeallseeingmoney450.jpg


669px-Tetragrammaton_at_5th_Chapel_of_the_Palace_of_Versailles_France.jpg
 
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bambu;3991860 said:
So now its the pyramid and the eye???

dude i'm trying to be respectful... My initial question was why do masonic organizations use the pyramid and the eye for the old testament god. that was the only question i asked 5 pages ago and you came in here disrespectful as hell, cursing like u out of your mind. I can post many more images if you want but my inquiry was to ask why they use these symbols for him damn.

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beenwize;3991881 said:
dude i'm trying to be respectful... My initial question was why do masonic organizations use the pyramid and the eye for the old testament god. that was the only question i asked 5 pages ago and you start ranting and cursing like u out of your mind. I can post many more images if you want but my inquiry was to ask why they use these symbols for him damn.

O.k.... I told you that I did not come in here to destroy, I only got ill after I noticed you changing posts so that my arguments seemed out of the blue and you trying to act like you are scoring points. I have also read Dr. Ben and several other prominent Egyptoligists.
I pointed out the sky god Horus because there are several sources that state that the old testament god was also represented as a sky/mountain/storm god. The Nag Hammadi texts were written after these sky god connections and without proper evidence cannot be traced to the sun god Ra.
Another problem is what we have debated over... imagery of the eye of Horus/Ra amongst early Hebrews would have to be thoroughly examined because the symbol actually can be traced to three gods. It would be easier to identify the sun god if his symbols alone were used, but they are not. If you look close enough you will find that their are also traces of moon worship amongst the early Hebrews, which creates a mosh pit of sun, moon, and sky deities, all represented by the eye. Without strong evidence none of these connections are valid. I have also spent countless hours researching these connections, but have no clear definite answers. However I feel confident in saying that the groups you mentioned use these symbols in an attempt to copy or unlock the wisdom of the ancients.
 
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bambu;3991985 said:
O.k.... I told you that I did not come in here to destroy, I only got ill after I noticed you changing posts so that my arguments seemed out of the blue and you trying to act like you are scoring points. I have also read Dr. Ben and several other prominent Egyptoligists.
I pointed out the sky god Horus because there are several sources that state that the old testament god was also represented as a sky/mountain/storm god. The Nag Hammadi texts were written after these sky god connections and without proper evidence cannot be traced to the sun god Ra.
Another problem is what we have debated over... imagery of the eye of Horus/Ra amongst early Hebrews would have to be thoroughly examined because the symbol actually can be traced to three gods. It would be easier to identify the sun god if his symbols alone were used, but they are not. If you look close enough you will find that their are also traces of moon worship amongst the early Hebrews, which creates a mosh pit of sun, moon, and sky deities, all represented by the eye. Without strong evidence none of these connections are valid. I have also spent countless hours researching these connections, but have no clear definite answers. However I feel confident in saying that the groups you mentioned use these symbols in an attempt to copy or unlock the wisdom of the ancients.

Look below to see who is being respectful and who came in here cursing and being disrespectful and did not even answer the initial question at all.

beenwize;3981785 said:
According to the Nag Hammadi gosepls they believe Yah/Jehova to be the DEMIURGE God of this material world. This is said to be all allegorical for representing the Sun and/or the planet Saturn... I was doing some research and I wonder why masonic organizations in past used the "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra who is the Ancient Egyptian sun god? And why do certain masonic organizations use it today for the old testament god in freemason books and for Jehova witness pyramid???

bambu;3983080 said:
I’m not sure if you are bullshitting but…This is not the “all seeing eye” of Amen-Ra. That is the eye of Horus, the Egyptian god of the sky 'The One Far Above'. Horus is represented by the famous “all seeing eye” from above. Amen-Ra was the combination of the Amen “the king of gods” and Ra “the sun god.” Amun was represented as a ram or a man with a ram head. Ra was represented as a man with a sun disk atop a hawk head. So your research connecting Amun Ra, Yah/Jehova, freemasonry, Jay-Z, and Jehovah ’s Witness pyramids is baseless.

beenwize;3981785 it's called the "all seeing eye of ra" and the all seeing eye of horus... click the link below and do some research. [url said:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=all+seeing+eye+of+ra&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=857l4145l0l4602l20l14l0l6l6l1l258l2645l0.7.7l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=624&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=SQn7Tvm5EKHm0QHvmZDLAg[/url]

http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/freemasonry/index.htm

http://whatisthepyramid.com/tag/all-seeing-eye/

This symbol and its many different abstractions shows up in so many places (churches, hospitals, currency, legal documents, movies, songs, song art, corporate logos, ritual and occult literature) that there cannot be any explanation other than there is some unifying factor causing the use of this symbol either purposefully or not. This symbol ties directly to Egyptian mythology and symbolism of the Eye of Ra, or the Eye of Horus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

bambu;3983092 said:
I do not need to follow any of your research links..... It is mistakenly called the all seeing eye of Ra by those ignorant of ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses.

beenwize;3983095 said:
it doesn't matter then my question was why do certain masnoic organizations use the eye to represent yahweh/jehovah of the old testament as done below or in jehovah witness church. that was the question don't come in here emotional.

bambu;3983109 said:
Why would I get emotional about this shit...I simply tried to show a flaw in your research. Masonic organizations and other groups use ancient symbols all the time, often ignorant of their original purposes or representations. A picture from a comic book illustrating the "eye of Ra" does not help validate its historical use. The sun god was not represented by the eye, flipping it on its ass and tracing the letter R only shows that someone has far too much research time on their hands.

beenwize;3983119 said:
i think it's a flaw in your research... the all seeing eye is of Ra and Horus. My question is why they use it for Yahweh/Jehovah if you can't answer that then I don't need your input.

Clearly Amen means something as everyone says it at the end of prayer. They say it means "truly" in hebrew but many ppl beg to differ after doing deeper research.

the fact that an all seeing eye is used for both of these god thru masonic organizations is very interesting to to say the least.

beenwize;3987746 said:
None of what you are saying is dealing with the question I initially asked lol with the fact that Masonic organizations use the Old Testament god in the same frame that Amen-Ra was used. I presented some proof of this in previous post with use of the "Eye of Ra" with the old testament god in masonic books, use of the pyramid for Jehova Witness church, Jay-Z use of name of the old testament god and "all seeing eye" pyramid. The same occurs in the masonic Bible I have heard.. Also Akhenaten banned the worship of all other gods in favor of Aten who is known as the DISK of the Sun and also an aspect of the Egyptian Sun God Ra.

In that case I really don't understand the point of your reply if you couldn't address my question.

bambu;3988933 said:
Look homie, save the bullshit.... I replied because your research and theory was incorrect. You provided no proof of anything other than some pictures from a google image search. Don't come at me after you edited your argument to appear somewhat valid.

I see that you have gone back and edited your posts to make your argument more valid and less nonsensical. Originally you stated that Akhenaten banned worship of all gods which left the supreme Amen-Ra. Then you removed a picture from a tattoo shop proving that the eye of Horus was the "all seeing eye of Ra" and replaced it with a image from a comic book. As a matter of fact all of your posts have been changed!!

If you think that you proved anything as far your research goes, you are mistaken. The only thing that you have proven is that it took you over 24 hours to find out very basic aspects of Egyptian history.

Your question about the use of ancient symbols was answered.... you just cant grasp the proper understanding. I will post where the fuck I want to regardless of what you think.

Ole' let me change what I said earlier so I seem more realer head ass nigga.....
 
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bambu;3991985 said:
O.k.... I told you that I did not come in here to destroy, I only got ill after I noticed you changing posts so that my arguments seemed out of the blue and you trying to act like you are scoring points. I have also read Dr. Ben and several other prominent Egyptoligists.
I pointed out the sky god Horus because there are several sources that state that the old testament god was also represented as a sky/mountain/storm god. The Nag Hammadi texts were written after these sky god connections and without proper evidence cannot be traced to the sun god Ra.
Another problem is what we have debated over... imagery of the eye of Horus/Ra amongst early Hebrews would have to be thoroughly examined because the symbol actually can be traced to three gods. It would be easier to identify the sun god if his symbols alone were used, but they are not. If you look close enough you will find that their are also traces of moon worship amongst the early Hebrews, which creates a mosh pit of sun, moon, and sky deities, all represented by the eye. Without strong evidence none of these connections are valid. I have also spent countless hours researching these connections, but have no clear definite answers. However I feel confident in saying that the groups you mentioned use these symbols in an attempt to copy or unlock the wisdom of the ancients.

I know you couldn't come in here to destroy anything as my question was based on an established fact. I never stated that the old testament god and Ra were the same I inquired why masonic organizations use the eye and pyramid for the old testament god. And I stated that the Nag Hammadi gospels refer to him as the DEMIURGE god of this world, and I never said he was traced to Amen-Ra but there are some that do make that claim. These groups that use these symbols and etc are the secret societies of this world that already have obtained wisdom of the ancients and use it for evil which is a known fact in many circles.
 
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beenwize;3992069 said:
I know you couldn't come in here to destroy anything as my question was based on an established fact. I never stated that the old testament god and Ra were the same I inquired why masonic organizations use the eye and pyramid for the old testament god. And I stated that the Nag Hammadi gospels refer to him as the DEMIURGE god of this world, and I never said he was traced to Amen-Ra but there are some that do make that claim. These groups that use these symbols and etc are the secret societies of this world that already have obtained wisdom of the ancients and use it for evil which is a known fact in many circles.

Well you seemed to have answered your own question...we are pretty much on the same page, but since we asking questions..... What evidence do you have to support such a substantial claim outside of the typical Illuminati conspiracy deal?
 
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beenwize;3983119 said:
i think it's a flaw in your research... the all seeing eye is of Ra and Horus. My question is why they use it for Yahweh/Jehovah if you can't answer that then I don't need your input.

Clearly Amen means something as everyone says it at the end of prayer. They say it means "truly" in hebrew but many ppl beg to differ after doing deeper research.

The pharaoh Ahkenaten banned the worship of all other deities leaving the supreme sun god Amen-Ra. Moses also banned the worship of all other gods as well.

the fact that an all seeing eye is used for both of these god thru masonic organizations is very interesting to to say the least.

bambu;3983179 said:
I did not come in this thread to destroy brother, with that being said your understanding of history is limited....

Akhenaten banned the worship of the Amen in favor of the Aten(hence the title Akhenaten), he did so because its popularity was greater than his own, which probably explains it continued use throughout history at the end of prayer.

Moses means "son of" example: Pharaoh Rameses = Ra + moses = the son of Ra..... Pharoah Thutmose = Thoth + moses= the sun of Thoth(the god of writing and knowledge). It is written that he banned the worship of the calf (most likely a symbol for a moon deity)amongst early Hebrews.

It is interesting that masonic organizations use not only the eye of Horus, but also the obelisk and several other ancient symbols.

As far as why "they"(Hebrews?) use the symbol for Yahweh/Jehovah, I have no idea I'm not one of them, but I think that they were more likely copying from their former masters.

beenwize;3987746 said:
None of what you are saying is dealing with the question I initially asked lol with the fact that Masonic organizations use the Old Testament god in the same frame that Amen-Ra was used. I presented some proof of this in previous post with use of the "Eye of Ra" with the old testament god in masonic books, use of the pyramid for Jehova Witness church, Jay-Z use of name of the old testament god and "all seeing eye" pyramid. The same occurs in the masonic Bible I have heard.. Also Akhenaten banned the worship of all other gods in favor of Aten who is known as the DISK of the Sun and also an aspect of the Egyptian Sun God Ra.

In that case I really don't understand the point of your reply if you couldn't address my question.

bambu;3988933 said:
Look homie, save the bullshit.... I replied because your research and theory was incorrect. You provided no proof of anything other than some pictures from a google image search. Don't come at me after you edited your argument to appear somewhat valid.

I see that you have gone back and edited your posts to make your argument more valid and less nonsensical. Originally you stated that Akhenaten banned worship of all gods which left the supreme Amen-Ra. Then you removed a picture from a tattoo shop proving that the eye of Horus was the "all seeing eye of Ra" and replaced it with a image from a comic book. As a matter of fact all of your posts have been changed!!

If you think that you proved anything as far your research goes, you are mistaken. The only thing that you have proven is that it took you over 24 hours to find out very basic aspects of Egyptian history.

Your question about the use of ancient symbols was answered.... you just cant grasp the proper understanding. I will post where the fuck I want to regardless of what you think.

Ole' let me change what I said earlier so I seem more realer head ass nigga.....

fixed.....
 
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bambu;3992171 said:
Well you seemed to have answered your own question...we are pretty much on the same page, but since we asking questions..... What evidence do you have to support such a substantial claim outside of the typical Illuminati conspiracy deal?

evidence is everywhere but i'm not going to post it at the moment since you are able to research yourself. if i play that game with you it's just going to result in a another dragged out debate of shyt talkin.
 
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Sethian Gnosticism

The following analysis of the literary dependencies and redactional history of the Sethian gnostic texts from Nag Hammadi and elsewhere allows one to assign them to various periods during the first four centuries of the Christian era. The texts thus dated seem to reflect a coherent tradition of mythologumena that includes:

a. a sacred history of Seth's seed, derived from a peculiar exegesis of Genesis 1-6;

b. a doctrine of the divine wisdom in its primordial, fallen, and restored aspects;

c. a baptismal rite, often called the Five- Seals, involving a removal from the fleshly world and transportation-into the realm of light through the invocation of certain divine
personages;

d. certain Christological speculations relating Christ to prominent Sethian primordial figures such as Adam and Seth; and

e. a fund of Platonic metaphysical concepts relating to the structure of the divine world and a self-actuated visionary means of assimilating with it.

The result of the study suggests that Sethianism interacted with Christianity in five phases:

1. Sethianism as a non-Christian baptismal sect of the first centuries B.C.E. and C.E. which considered itself primordially enlightened by the divine wisdom revealed to Adam and Seth, yet expected a final visitation of Seth marked by his conferral of a saving baptism;

2. Sethianism as gradually Christianized in the later first century onward through an identification of the pre-existent Christ with Seth, or Adam, that emerged through contact with Christian baptismal groups;

3. Sethianism as increasingly estranged from a Christianity becoming more orthodox toward the end of the second century and beyond;

4. Sethianism as rejected by the Great Church but meanwhile increasingly attracted to the individualistic contemplative practices of third-century Platonism; and

5. Sethianism as estranged from the orthodox Platonists of the late third century and increasingly fragmented into various derivative and other sectarian gnostic groups, some surviving into the Middle Ages.

 
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Sethian Gnosticism

Mainly following the lead of Hans-Martin Schenke of the Berliner (DDR) Arbeitskreis für koptisch-gnostische Schriften,1 current scholarship considers the following literature to be representative of Sethian Gnosticism:

The Barbeloite report of Irenaeus (Haer. I.29);
the reports on the Sethians (and Archontics) by Epiphanius (Pan. 26 and 39-40), Pseudo-Tertullian (Haer. 2) and Filastrius (Haer. 3);
the untitled text from the Bruce Codex (Bruce);

and the following treatises from the Nag Hammadi Codices and BG 8502:

four versions of the Apocryphon of John (Ap. John BG8502, 2 and NHC III, 1 [short version];

NHC II, 1 and IV, I [long version]);

the Hypostasis of the Archons;

the Gospel of the Egyptians;

the Apocalypse of Adam;

the Three Steles of Seth;
Zostrianos;

Melchizedek;

the Thought of Norea;
Marsanes;
Allogenes, and Trimorphic Protennoia


Part II - The Sethian Themes

- SUB CONTENTS: (+ / -)

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A. Sophia Speculation

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B. Interpretation Of Genesis 2-6

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C. The Baptismal Rite

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D. Christianization

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E. The Platonic Contribution

So far as I can see, most of the Sethian documents cited above originated in the period 100-250 C.E. They seem to derive their content from five basic complexes of doctrines:

1. a fund of Hellenistic-Jewish speculation on the figure of Sophia, the divine wisdom;

2. midrashic interpretation of Genesis 1-6 together with other assorted motifs from Jewish scripture and exegesis;

3. a doctrine and practice of baptism;

4. the developing Christology of the early church; and

5. a religiously oriented Neopythagorean and Middle-Platonic philosophical tradition of ontological and theological speculation


Hellenist Hebrews that took the doctrine of the greeks
 
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This is the list of the comparative works of The Teachings of Amen-em-Ope

Vs. King Solomon's

Teachings of Amen-em-ope



1.Give thine ear,and hear what I say,and apply thine heart to apprehend;

It is good for thee to place them in thine heart, Let the rest in the casket of the belly. That they may act as a peg upon thy tongue

2. Consider these thirty chapters; They delight,they instruct. Knowledge how to answer him that speaketh, and how to carry back a report to one that sent it.

3. Beware of robbing the poor,and of opressing the afflicted.

4. Associate not with a passionate man, nor approach him for conversations; leap not to cleave to such a one, the the terror carry not away.

5. A scribe who is skillful in his business findeth himself worthy to be a courtier

King Solomon's Proverbs

1. Incline thine ear,and hear my words,and apply thine heart to apprehend;For it is pleasent if thou keep them in thy belly, That they may be fixed upon thy lips.

2. Have I not written for thee,thirty saying, of counsels and knowledge; that thou mayest make known truth to him that speaketh.

3. Rob not the poor for he is poor, neither oppress the lowly in the gate.

4. Associate not with a passionate man,nor go with a wrathful man,lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

5. A man who is skillful in his business,shall stand before kings.
 
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beenwize;3981785 said:
According to the Nag Hammadi gosepls they believe Yah/Jehova to be the DEMIURGE God of this material world. This is said to be all allegorical for representing the Sun and/or the planet Saturn... I was doing some research and I wonder why masonic organizations in past used the "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra who is the Ancient Egyptian sun god? And why do certain masonic organizations use it today for the old testament god in freemason books and for Jehova witness pyramid???

This is the Ancient Egyptian Masonic "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra

eye_ra.jpg


This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"

Masonic%20Traveler.jpg


This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid

pyramid+of+JW.gif


This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

eyeallseeingmoney450.jpg

beenwize;3981906 said:
Jay-Z aka Jay-Hova

coverJay-Z+-+Jayhovah+The+God+M.C.-vazandadon.jpg


tumblr_l8n881T8DR1qb4uc0.jpeg

LOL....

bambu;4419861 said:
bambu;4414048 said:
Not sure how you figure Yaldabaoth was the god of the old testament, remember the archons?

“The names of glory of those who rule over the seven heavens are these:

Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samael

Saturn.~~~~~~ Later illustrated in the Greek Saturnalia.

Feminine name: Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, "week".

Prophets:[9] Moses, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk.

From Hebrew yalda bahut, "Child of Chaos"? The outermost who created the six others, and therefore the chief ruler and Demiurge par excellence. Called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides.

Iao

Jupiter.

Feminine name: Lordship.

Prophets: Samuel, Nathan, Jonah, Micah.

Perhaps from Yahu, Yahweh, but possibly also from the magic cry iao in the Mysteries.

Sabaoth

Mars.

Feminine name: Deity.

Prophets: Elijah, Joel, Zechariah.

The Old Testament title God of Hosts was thought a proper name, hence Jupiter Sabbas (Yahweh Sabaoth).

Astaphanos, or Astaphaios

Venus.

Feminine name: Sophia (Wisdom).

Prophets: Esdras, Zephaniah.

Astraphaios is beyond doubt the planet Venus, as there are gnostic gems with a female figure and the legend ASTAPHE, which name is also used in magic spells as the name of a goddess.

Adonaios

The Sun.

Feminine name: Kingship.

Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel.

From the Hebrew term for "the Lord", used of God; Adonis of the Syrians representing the Winter sun in the cosmic tragedy of Tammuz. In the Mandaean system Adonaios represents the Sun.

Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein

Mercury.

Feminine name: Jealousy.

Prophets: Tobias, Haggai.

From Elohim, God (El).

Horaios

The Moon.

Feminine name: Wealth.

Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.

From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?

This is the Seven of the week; these are the ones who govern the world.”

 
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