The Jigga Man Shawn Carter aka JayZ Official Thread...

[innercity99]

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No disrespect intended of course. LoL

just like i thought

 

[innercity99]

I never got why anyone would enter a thread like this, and not simply make a logical assumption that the person is posting an opinion, their own opinion. Why does the thread have to say "My opinion is that Jay-Z = GOAT" when its quite clear that the person is not speaking as a fact. If the thread was titled, Red is the best color, would you come in hear talking bout "thats an opinion not a fact." No fucking shit, anyone with even a first grade education should see its an opinion.

I don't get some of you posters, like you have no common sense that you need to state the obvious to make an irrelevant point. Now 15 pages that its clear its an opinion, feel free to debate the opinion or ignore the thread.

i couldnt have said it better my self... i can see if i said nah this is a fact but i didnt not one time but these dick heads are still comin in here screamin thats not a fact its an opinion u should have named it this or that im like get the fuck outta here

 

[bigbadbossup99]

ok so pac moved to cali in 88 and not 95 I’ve never heard this till now so I was just lacking information not that im ignorant cause I can see u are lacking information or in ur words “ignorant” on a lot of things as well and I 4got about him beating up the hughes bros so yea ok u got me there … and you tellin me define lyrical on the net

Lyrical-Expressing deep personal emotion or observations

Is that really ur definition of being lyrical in hip hop? lls

I said that the “majority” of the people did not start sayin pac was the goat till after he passed and u sayin other rappers passed and aint get recognized in that same light pac was at the top of his success in his prime and once he died that just put him over the top in people’s eyes and imortalized him. Lls and u sayin just cause jay remade one of pacs songs he was on him??? U sound dumb how many rappers have remade older songs to put there own spin on it? U sounding ji ignorant to me as u like to put it

And the only reason jay aint diss pac back was off big’s strength big told jay to chill and jay did do u know how how many times pacs people have reached out to jay asked him to be on one of his songs after he had passed and jay was like “nah” y was he like nah u think cause jay’s mindset was how I look getting on a track with a man who ain’t mess with me while he was alive that aint bein fake that’s bein real though nas and a few other rappers did get on a track with him though pac aint mess with them either so u sounding ji ignorant to me on this as well

And no pac is not top 10 in bein a lyrical mc do u actually believe he is? I want ur honest opinion and if u do name some tracks that u could use to back up ur claim. and wut jay meant by “only two resting in heaven can be mentioned in the same breath as him” was that people compare him to them because they were legends u think he meant cause pac was nice on the mic and he was actually a lyrical mc? Come on son u sounding ignorant once again

And u say jay is the best b.s’er u have to let me know exactly wut songs u talkin bout cause I have not a clue and jay can’t compare to pac on being real once again u need to do ur research b4 u make that claim:

Where im from, hard knock life, anything, mama loves me, you must love me, diamond is forever, minority report, as real as it gets, dead presidents, renegade, song cry, soon you’ll understand, heart of the city, a dream, meet the parents, B’s and sisters, a ballad for my fallen soldiers, december 4th, a moment of clarity, allure, where have you been, still got love for you, lucky me, come and get me, a million and one questions, streets is watching, streets is talking, dear summer, dynasty intro, regrets etc…

now I just named 30 songs that jay was either spittin real on a song or a whole track and theres plenty more so once again u must not listen to jay cause if u did u wouldn’t havent made that “ignorant” comment about Jay spittin bs cause just cause he uses metas and has flow punches and wordplay don’t mean he bs his flow don’t seem forced

and u say the fact that I don’t know any songs of pac actually “spittin” and not “rappin” im ignorant lls please enlighten me how u goin say all that and not mention not 1 song where pac went in now the nicest song I heard from pac was “hailmary”

now I want u to answer this question how can pac be the goat when he’s not even a top 10 lyricist? And u cant say that doesn’t mean anything or doesn’t matter cause y is big one of the best cause he was nice yea his albums but mainly cause he was nice rakim nice nas nice how come people say wayne is one of the best cause they believe he so nice on mixtapes features and wut not how come being a lyricist applies to everyone but “ur god” pac just cause he was real and he made songs people could relate to with brenda’s got a baby (which in my opinion meet the parents is way better then) dear mama keep ya head up etc… those are great songs there timeless but just cause he has those songs he may make the best songs ever they may be 1 2 and 3 on the list of best songs but that don’t mean he the goat it takes more then that

now I believe I touched on all ur questions and comments if I didn’t let me know and I’ll be glad to

1st off I'm not ignorant at all. Feel free to look that definition up also. You haven't proved me wrong on anything so far. Which means my knowledge is intact. It's very clear to me that you don't know much at all. If you come in here saying pac moved to the west in 1995 and got tough when he signed with suge,you're showing me that you have been pre programmed to believe bullshit. You're showing me that you're nowhere near my level of knowledge on hiphop. Otherwise you wouldn't be that far off. A mistakes alright,but you're very very ignorant and most likely a lil kid.

As far as the majority saying pac wasn't he best till he died,I can't expect you to believe otherwise because you've already proven to be very ill informed when it comes to pac. I'm supposed to respect your opinion on 2pac's impact in life? You were off seven years about his west coast move and off about his thuglife antics. You're a well documented,proven,ignorant person. My definition of being lyrical in hiphop is the same as songs in general. Whoever comes across with their point in the most effective manner,while being creative,is what i personally think is lyrical. I think 2pac was the master at sprinkling his vast vocabulary,saying things in a different fashion,yet utilizing simplicity to make it more authentic. I believe he balanced his shit,and vocally delivered it better than anyone. We could argue all day about what the definition of lyrical,is or should be. But as you've already admitted 2pac's music was felt the most. Hence 2pac's songs were more convincing and effective to the listener. Which is the simple answer to why i think 2pac's the better rapper. Here's an opinion that even you will probaly agree with. 2pac,jay-z,nas,eminem,biggie etc are all masterful rappers, yet 2pac was felt the most and by a large margin. You have to ask yourself why. Why is jay virtually crying on "what more can i say"? He's upset cause he's not the undisputed goat.

As far as jay being on pac,he was. What type of nigga does that? I'm not saying he was supposed to hold a grudge,but damn, have some self respect.If he had enough pride to not hop on 2pac's album,he shouldn't have redid his song either.I could see just taking the beat and dissing him back,but he redid the whole song. And for the record,jay did respond to 2pac in a song called dead or alive.

As far as 2pac not being top 10 lyrical, you need to ask yourself why he was more felt than all of them. If 2pac figured out what was the most effective stance to write from and executed it,how's he not lyrical. What's the point in any artist leaning towards whatever your definition of lyrical is,when 2pac's angle was the most effective? And i'm not reffering to commercial success at all. His songs made the biggest impact. I don't think you understand that 2pac strategically chose to rap how he raps. He has an interview about how decided to have a more direct style. Being that he's been dead since age 25,after 5 years in the game,and gone for over 13 years and still the most felt, he was obviously right. You got forty yr old rappers who have commercially been in the game 14 years,highly successful for a dozen years and sill are not more felt than a 25 yr old 2pac who hasn't made any new music for over a dozen years.

Yes i do believe he made that "2 resting in heaven"

comment based on him thinking pac and big was that nice. Your theory is flawed,there's plenty of other "legends" he could have brought up.

As far as real songs,i never said jay had none, i said he couldn't fuck with 2pac and he can't. About half the songs you named,fell flat and were forced and ineffective. Lucky me,ballad of a fallen soldier,bitches and sisters and meet the parents are examples. I didn't say jay spat b.s because he used metaphors or wordplay. I said he leans too far in that direction which takes some depth out of his music. If i'm wrong about that, why is 2pac a "non lyrical" rapper felt more than he is?

As far as straight b.s jay songs: who you wit,sunshine,face off,ride or die,Jigga my nigga, hovi baby,can't knock the hustle remix etc.

As far as songs 2pac has spit on,virtually all of them. That's why i haven't ran down a list. If 2pac made the best songs,then he pretty much made the best albums,hence he's the best rapper ever.

You got the nerve to tell me what it takes to be the goat,yet 2pac is still the cocensus greatest rapper ever. Obviously it took what 2pac had.

Feel free to look up greatest rapper of all time,most results will have 2pac rightfully in front. Could keep going but it's getting late

 

[NevaChange]

LOL@ you lames. Jay-z is the GOAT for a reason.

Nobody has been this successful for this long.

4 classic albums (Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint 1, Black Album, American Gangster)

50 million worldwide

longevity (1996-2010)

11 platinum albums

11 number one albums

Four number one singles

Three American Music awards

Three B.E.T. awards

Five B.E.T. Hip Hop awards

8 Grammy awards

Nine MTV video music awards

 

[NevaChange]

Hov is the GOAT for a reason.

Name one other rapper who's been this successful for this long?

4 classic albums (Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint 1, Black Album, American Gangster)

50 million worldwide

longevity (1996-2010)

11 platinum albums

11 number one albums

Four number one singles

Three American Music awards

Three B.E.T. awards

Five B.E.T. Hip Hop awards

8 Grammy awards

Nine MTV video music awards

Hottest bitch in the game

richest rapper in the business

Hov = God

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U mad?

 

[lilhd47]

co sizzle that american gangster still gets in the rotation

 

[fabionbackbitch]

you on the nigga street team or some shit?

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

I hate "Forever Young". The hook is like nails on a chalkboard.

 

[htowntx]

This nigga said 3 BET awards

Not 1, not 2, but 3 of them shits

I'm dying over here

 

[SweetzIsAwesome]

Yayyyyyyy..!!

 

this nigga thinks he doing jay a favor but he turning nigga against jay with the constant dickriding..

 

[haute]

This nigga said 3 BET awards
Not 1, not 2, but 3 of them shits
I'm dying over here

Yayyyyyyy..!!

lmao!!!!!

I think die hard Jay-Z stans AND haters should be confined to an island where they can circle jerk each other

 

[NevaChange]

this nigga thinks he doing jay a favor but he turning nigga against jay with the constant dickriding..

Are U mad because Hov has more fame, more money and a hotter bitch than you'll ever have??

 

[lilhd47]

Are U mad because Hov has more fame, more money and a hotter bitch than you'll ever have??

ding ding ding

 

[UPTOWN]

Are U mad because Hov has more fame, more money and a hotter bitch than you'll ever have??

im convinced that this is memphis bleeks screen name

 

[Question Authority]

LOL@ you lames. Jay-z is the GOAT for a reason.

Nobody has been this successful for this long.

4 classic albums (Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint 1, Black Album, American Gangster)

50 million worldwide

longevity (1996-2010)

11 platinum albums

11 number one albums

Four number one singles

Three American Music awards

Three B.E.T. awards

Five B.E.T. Hip Hop awards

8 Grammy awards

Nine MTV video music awards

It's mainly proximity...he just got a head start. But we can definitely play this game...

Eminem:

Three Classics (SSLP, MMLP, and TES)

Highest Selling Hip Hop Album of All Time - MMLP

Highest Selling Artist of the Decade

Highest Selling Hip Hop Artist of All Time

Billboard's Artist of the Decade

80 Million worldwide

9 Grammy Awards

1 Oscar

11 American Music Awards

9 Billboard Music Awards

10 VMA's

3 World Music Awards

Murked Jay on "Renegade"

And Em did this all while having less material than Jay.

 

[texas409]

I agree with this thread 1000%!!

 

[NevaChange]

It's mainly proximity...he just got a head start. But we can definitely play this game...

Eminem:

Three Classics (SSLP, MMLP, and TES)

Highest Selling Hip Hop Album of All Time - MMLP

Highest Selling Artist of the Decade

Highest Selling Hip Hop Artist of All Time

Billboard's Artist of the Decade

80 Million worldwide

9 Grammy Awards

1 Oscar

11 American Music Awards

9 Billboard Music Awards

10 VMA's

3 World Music Awards

Murked Jay on "Renegade"

And Em did this all while having less material than Jay.

Eminem is white. That's a REAL headstart. Whites constitute over 60% of the population; we only constitute 12%.

If Eminem was black, he would never have had that level of sales. He said himself in 2002 he would only have sold half.

 

[Question Authority]

Eminem is white. That's a REAL headstart. Whites constitute over 60% of the population; we only constitute 12%.

If Eminem was black, he would never have had that level of sales. He said himself in 2002 he would only have sold half.

Doesn't matter.

You tried to use Jay's commercial accomplishments to prove why he's the GOAT, when he's not even the most successful.

 

[NevaChange]

Doesn't matter.

You tried to use Jay's commercial accomplishments to prove why he's the GOAT, when he's not even the most successful.

It does matter when you're a white rapper making music in a white-majority country.

Also, Hov has four classic albums. Eminem does not.