The Jigga Man Shawn Carter aka JayZ Official Thread...

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If Jay could make an album like Me Against The World and Makaveli, this thread would be taken more seriously....but I truly do respect Jay. He's an excellent rapper with maybe amongst the best flows and lyrical wizadry in history. What really brings Jay down though is that he has no songs like "White Man's World", "Dear Mama", "It Ain't Easy" and lord knows how many other classics. 2pac is untouchable for now.....whoever wants to be declared the best has to earn that. Jay nor anyone else has earned that right. 2pac's passion is still felt a good 14 years later!!!!!!!! Crazy when you think about it....Jay has touched many lives of course, including myself, but not to the effect 2pac has. MOST AGREE WITH ME. Especially worldwide. Sorry.....good thread though.
 
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Who said you have to rap about cliche BLACK STRUGGLE, CONSCIOUS MUSIC to be goat. I'm sick of you niggas using that content bullshit excuse against rappers yall don't like, skills is skills period. I hate to burst yall bubbles but alot of great rappers didn't wear khufis (Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick, Kool G Rap, etc). Content is something that is subjective anyways, some people relate to the succeed at no cost and excuse rappers and some people like being pandered to about the problems about the world and why they aren't successful.
 
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If you ever need proof that sales don't equate to quality, look no further than Jay-z's catalogue. I swear, this cat could make fart noises on an album and the sheep would still eat it up, make it, and still call him the greatest at the end of it. We keep hearing that the camel has "11 number albums," but half of them are wack as fuck. Kingdom Come, Vol 3, Blueprint 2, and Blueprint 3 are all good examples. Shitty albums, but very commercially successful.

Garbage sells.
 
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bigbadbossup99;41991 said:
2pac is the goat and though jay makes an argument for the greatest alive,he can't f--- with 2pac at all. I seen this post from innercity99

"I've seen alot of threads about how Jay-Z isn't this or isn't that like how he's not nicer the Canibus how he doesn't make better songs or have a wider range of Topics then Pac how he's not deeper the Nas and so on and so on but whether or not all this is tru can u name another Rapper that brings as much to the table as Jay from Classic Albums (Reasonable Doubt The Blueprint The Black Album) Street Anthems ( Where I'm from, Hard Knock Life etc...) Stories (Meet The Parents, A Week Ago etc...) Radio Hits (H.O.V.A, Give it to me etc...) Songs for the Ladies (Excuse Me Miss, Change Clothes, etc...) Songs with Emotion (Song Cry, Soon you'll understand etc...) Songs Spittin Real Shit (Diamond Is Forever, Dead Presidents etc...) Lyrical Tracks (Lyrical Exercise, What More Can I Say etc...) Club Bangers ( Dirt off Your Shoulders, Do It Again) Mix Tapes (S. Collections) Freestyles (Return from World Tour Hot 97etc...) Battle Tracks (Takeover, Blueprint 2 etc...) Consistency With Albums, Relevance in the Game Swagger Album Sales Respect in the Game etc..."

ANd I had to laugh. You make it seam like he was many great m.c.s rolled up in one man, when actually 2pac THA TRUE GOAT is that multi talented rapper. Jay is a dope rapper but sounds damn near the same,no matter what he's discussing. 2pac could do that smooth jay-z/snoop playa shit (temptations,how do you want it etc). He could spit that clear deep shit like scarface (it ain't easy,my block,krazy) He could come left field with the unpredicatble innovation of a nas (though pac's way above him too) (brenda's got a baby,tear drops and closed caskets, ) He could come with that explosive shit like a dmx (pain,hell razor,etc) Jay can't match 2pac and has ample time to do so. he knows he hasn't proved it to the general public. That's why you'll hear songs like "what more can i say", then 6 years later "reminder". He's in total disbelief that he is not the undisputed goat. He needs to try harder. He has more b.s. rap songs than 2pac, i'll give him that. Meaning he has more songs where he rambles on about nothing in an attempt to show his lyrical skills . He's a great bull shitter. 2pac knew that being direct with depth, creative details and realsim was more effective than excessive metaphors,double entandras (however you spell it) and other b.s.. he spoke on this in an interview. This is why jay has to tell you he's the best and make songs telling you again to try and convince, while the real GOAT never said he was the GOAT,not once. He was elected by the people and his title remains. Jay's music at best is like a well written movie with a nice setting and capped off by awful acting. At worst it has no plot at all. Explanation: On excuse me miss he sounds like he's in the exact same mood as talking about street shit (not 100% but often). Songs like lucky me sounds forced and downright fradulent (no soul at all). His new album is basically a mixtape (some remade songs by rhianna,kanye,kid cudi,young jeezy etc). Jay might be the smartest rapper ever when it comes to hustling, but you get what you work for. 2pac wanted to be felt by the masses and he is the MOST felt rapper ever with the most relevant songs. Jay wanted to make money while fooling the public however he could and he achieved that. His scheme is hidden fom untrained brains but i peep game. Comes out with a run of the mil drug album and flops. Comes back with a strategy similar to master p's. Master p seen the gap 2pac left and start biting him left and right "lord knows,picture me ballin" "dear mamma,keep ya head up,from the cradle to the grave" (actual P lyrics). Jay makes his 2nd album mimicking the bad boy flava,prematurely claiming king of the city and eventually filling biggie shoes by biting him left and right for years to come. (no examples needed). He calls this paying homage,yet later he claims he's better than the man he was biting. If you didn't hear him say that,listen to WHAT MORE CAN I SAY("no i ain't get shot a whole bunch of times" "excluding nobody"I should be 1st on everybody list,let's see what happens when i no longer exist "').Who he talking about? 2pac did none of that cock shit and song for song can not be matched by anyone.

Ok 1st off let me say that I respect ur opinion and u made some good points 1 in particular is “2pac wanted to be felt by the masses and he is the MOST felt rapper ever with the most relevant songs.” That statement right there just may be tru but u were reaching on a lot of other things like u sayin jay sounds the same on every song come on now u must just be talking about his radio hits or something cause I can say the exact same thing about pac he sounds the same on all his songs he don’t switch up his style pac only has one style and tru he may be the most felt rapper of all time but that don’t make him the goat give me one song one verse that pac ripped that pac went in on he’s a basic mc u feel his stories or wut not but he’s not even in the TOP 10 of best lyricists all time how could he be the goat? He don’t cover all angles of hip hop in order to be the goat u say how real he was well explain to me y he’s from the east and born and rasied and he came to the west in like 95 and started reppin it like he been there all his life he died in 96 is that wut u call bein real? It seem like he got thugged out when he started rolin death rowb4 then he was a dancer for digital underground and made songs like brenda’s got a baby and keep ya head up and im not sayin that makes him soft but im sayin he was far from the “gangstah” he portrayed later on with deathrow it just seemed like a a character an act but not really who he was and speaking of brenda’s got a baby as good and deep as the song was it was basic rhyming like poetry like I said b4 which is wut pac was lls which is not a bad thing and 4 u to say he named claimed to be the best and how the people gave him that title the majority aint give him that title till after he died his death put him in another space but that’s the only reason he’s really even in the space and another thing that people reach on ALL the time is when they say jay ain’t better then big or the goat cause he bites lyrics from big ok name one song that jay used big’s lyrics in that was nicer then any bar jay spit and I’ll wait 4 that cause unless u can u sayin he aint the goat cause he uses big’s lyrics is a wash cause he ain’t gain not a single thing from using them so pac may have been better then jay at making songs that people can feel in there soul he prob was the greatest at that one aspect but the greatest of all time come on son
 
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Very powerful thread i co-sign to the fullest.

Their is no one that has been born or yet to born who is better than Jay on the mic.
 
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kingblaze84;42840 said:
If Jay could make an album like Me Against The World and Makaveli, this thread would be taken more seriously....but I truly do respect Jay. He's an excellent rapper with maybe amongst the best flows and lyrical wizadry in history. What really brings Jay down though is that he has no songs like "White Man's World", "Dear Mama", "It Ain't Easy" and lord knows how many other classics. 2pac is untouchable for now.....whoever wants to be declared the best has to earn that. Jay nor anyone else has earned that right. 2pac's passion is still felt a good 14 years later!!!!!!!! Crazy when you think about it....Jay has touched many lives of course, including myself, but not to the effect 2pac has. MOST AGREE WITH ME. Especially worldwide. Sorry.....good thread though.

Iight thanks 4 ur input but u say jay hasn’t made a song like dear mama or white man’s world etc… pac hasn’t made a song where he just murdered the track like… Diamond is forever, ruff ryder’s anthem, breath easy, wut hot freestyle’s he got that he murdered? So u say jay has things pac doesn’t well the same can be said about pac not having things that jay has, and y would jay have to make album like those when he’s made classics like reasonable doubt the blueprint and the black album and like I told the other poster who said pac was the goat the majority of the people aint start sayin that till he died pac was someone people felt and connected to but that don’t make him the goat the greatest of all time hip hop is about more then that its about switching up your style which pac did not do and would u say he’s top 10 lyricist of all time cause if he’s not how could he possibly be the goat u can argue jay is top 10 in every category of hip hop
 
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eckog;31512 said:
I used hate jay z then after a while i learned to like him and reread what is said. I just can't stand the way people are on dudes dick.

That's the main reason I hear why people dislike him. From what I seen, they don't really hate Jay-z or what he's accomplished........ it's just that his fans are corny as fuck.
 
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Treeze;48731 said:
If you ever need proof that sales don't equate to quality, look no further than Jay-z's catalogue. I swear, this cat could make fart noises on an album and the sheep would still eat it up, make it, and still call him the greatest at the end of it. We keep hearing that the camel has "11 number albums," but half of them are wack as fuck. Kingdom Come, Vol 3, Blueprint 2, and Blueprint 3 are all good examples. Shitty albums, but very commercially successful.

Garbage sells.

Have u heard any of those albums or are u goin off the singles? Because my take is if atleast half the tracks on a album is good how could it be garbage and out of like 14 songs if 7 or 8 are good it may be average or ok but garbage come on son u reaching who are u comparing these albums too?who is ur favorite rapper and im sure he has a album that based off ur standards is “garbage” so stop all this crazy talk cause if u seen me post naming all the good songs off those albums im sure u wouldn’t think they were “garbage”
 
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No disrespect to t/s, but what's being accomplished here?

Arguing with stans is futile. It never ends. It just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. There's no real discussion going on. It just seems like one dude sucking Jay's dick, and a few others indirectly calling him on his stannish ways.

We get it. t/s thinks Jay-Z is the GOAT. He's repeated the same shit like 6 times already.

It's stupid.
 
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11BamBam11;54414 said:
That's the main reason I hear why people dislike him. From what I seen, they don't really hate Jay-z or what he's accomplished........ it's just that his fans are corny as fuck.

they don't really hate him? are u serious when someone says something like jay was a ordinary rapper or out of his 11 albums he's had 1 good one or that lil wayne ludacris gucci is better then him and have a better catalogue or that he worships the devil come on u say people dont hate on that man where have u been?
 
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innercity99;54513 said:
they don't really hate him? are u serious when someone says something like jay was a ordinary rapper or out of his 11 albums he's had 1 good one or that lil wayne ludacris gucci is better then him and have a better catalogue or that he worships the devil come on u say people dont hate on that man where have u been?

That's not hate, though. Everything you just typed is subjective and varies from person to person. That's the beauty of art...everything about it is perceptive.

I can say that I think OJ Da Juiceman is a better rapper than Jay-Z...or that Jay-Z has no classics.

That's my prerogative. And you can't do shit about it.
 
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Question Authority;54512 said:
No disrespect to t/s, but what's being accomplished here?

Arguing with stans is futile. It never ends. It just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. There's no real discussion going on. It just seems like one dude sucking Jay's dick, and a few others indirectly calling him on his stannish ways.

We get it. t/s thinks Jay-Z is the GOAT. He's repeated the same shit like 6 times already.

It's stupid.

iight dude u can get off me now im a stan because im staying on topic i can see if the topic was lil wayne is goes to jail and i come in from left field sayen well maybe he would have gottin off scott free if he was as good as jay and u say im on jay tell me one thing i've said that im "reaching" on that im talkin crazy made u say r u serious?

and plus its not like im upping the thread by sayin jay the best jay the best im responding to people's post so how bout u get off me and worry bout ur mother catching u in her room on he computer b4 her shift ends at burger king
 
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innercity99;54513 said:
they don't really hate him? are u serious when someone says something like jay was a ordinary rapper or out of his 11 albums he's had 1 good one or that lil wayne ludacris gucci is better then him and have a better catalogue or that he worships the devil come on u say people dont hate on that man where have u been?

That's the shit I read on the internet. I'm talking about when I'm out in the real world. People I know who admit they dislike Jay don't hate him because of his albums or achievements..... they hate him cause of the media and his corny ass fans. Some of 'em even used to be fans of Jay, but his groupies just put people off because they're too overbearing and stay forcing this "greatest of all time" bullshit in their faces. I'd probably bang one or two of his old joints if his fans didn't annoy me so much.
 
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redhandedbandit;54587 said:
no bullshit jay was hot til the black album since then str8 garbage

Agreed.

He should have thrown in the towel after Black Album.

He's declined ever since, imo.
 
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11BamBam11;54565 said:
That's the shit I read on the internet. I'm talking about when I'm out in the real world. People I know who admit they dislike Jay don't hate him because of his albums or achievements..... they hate him cause of the media and his corny ass fans. Some of 'em even used to be fans of Jay, but his groupies just put people off because they're too overbearing and stay forcing this "greatest of all time" bullshit in their faces. I'd probably bang one or two of his old joints if his fans didn't annoy me so much.

ok i understand where u coming from but come on u can say that about any fan base wut is fan short 4 "FANATIC" lil wayne fans 2pac fans biggie fans laker fans cowboy fans yankee fans some may show intelligence and are able to show some type of logical thought but 4 the most part a fan is going to be just that a fan
 
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redhandedbandit;54587 said:
no bullshit jay was hot til the black album since then str8 garbage

Now I agree to a certain excent imo Jay has certainly fell off since the black album but I wouldn’t call his 3 albums since garbage I would just call this average at best as in some may say below average but at best average out side of american gangsta which imo was a great album
 
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innercity99;54730 said:
ok i understand where u coming from but come on u can say that about any fan base wut is fan short 4 "FANATIC" lil wayne fans 2pac fans biggie fans laker fans cowboy fans yankee fans some may show intelligence and are able to show some type of logical thought but 4 the most part a fan is going to be just that a fan

I'm cool with the rational Jigga fans. I can talk to them and its never disrespect. But it's the ones who put down all the other rappers and then praise their favorite like he's a god way above everyone else ...... they're the ones I don't get along with.
 
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11BamBam11;54987 said:
I'm cool with the rational Jigga fans. I can talk to them and its never disrespect. But it's the ones who put down all the other rappers and then praise their favorite like he's a god way above everyone else ...... they're the ones I don't get along with.

yea i feel wut u sayin and thats understandable but people kill me that confuse being a fan of an artist and bein a stan and then every person that calls me a stan i ask them wut makes me a stan wut did i say that was so crazy that made them say man this guy is on jay hard and i never hear a response cause i know im not a stan i can admit if a song of his is wack or if he did something shady but when i say i enjoy his music and say he's the best all of a sudden ima stan is just crazy to me
 
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