The devil loves you

[alissowack]

There is a difference between giving advice on how to live...and giving life. All the devil offers is advice. Given that the devil can masquerade as an angel of light, he can offer good advice that could better ourselves, but he does not care whether our next breath is our last.

 

[soul rattler]

A child knows fire is hot because his mother tells him so. He understands what 'fire is hot' means when he touches it for himself. Wisdom is the application of that understanding.

A child understands what "fire is hot" means when the child knows the definition of the words fire, is, and hot. Simply being told a fact is not equivalent to knowing or understanding it. If you cannot comprehend what you're being told, then how could you possibly know it? You've merely been made aware of it.

So it's awareness, then comprehension, then, knowledge, then understanding, then wisdom.

And then action.

You know your abc's before you understand what they mean and their purpose.

Comprehension is understanding and being made aware of something is knowing something. If you are not aware of something, you don't know something.

You're mostly agreeing with me.

I make the difference between comprehension and understanding in that comprehending a thing is conceptualizing what it is fundamentally on its own, whereas understanding it is getting its role in relation to other things.

But I said it first....

...My thread

 

[soul rattler]

There is a difference between giving advice on how to live...and giving life. All the devil offers is advice. Given that the devil can masquerade as an angel of light, he can offer good advice that could better ourselves, but he does not care whether our next breath is our last.

This is false.

Speaking in Abrahamic terms, the devil merely wants to give you the opportunity to decide. It's God who wants to push you in a particular direction with commands and threats and consequences and rewards.

 

[zzombie]

I still see the same debate going on and on and on and on for years and years and years.

But I guess this is just a way to pass the time I guess.

Religion has been around for thousands of years this is not a joke for many many people it's llife or death serious.

And no one has proven a thing, just believe what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on a person negatively. Be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, agnostic, rastafarian, whatever. No one can prove at the end of the day, this is why I don't debate on it. It's not like there is any new finds or new information, nothing. Just rhetoric.

The reason why there will always be a fuss made about what other people believe is because religion just like any other ideology is a container of how an individual sees the world and how you see the world will affect how you think about your fellow man.

like I tried to make you understand in a few other threads THAT in human society ideology, philosophy and psychology are more important to human life than what can be empirically/objectively proved.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

It's God who wants to push you in a particular direction with commands and threats and consequences and rewards.

Sounds like society. Maybe we are made in god's image.

 

[LordZuko]

The devil loves me? The devil knew that without wisdom or understanding; knowledge of good and evil is a curse. I never knew of evil, so how could I avoid getting caught in the snares of evil? God knew, god said not to touch that shit, cuz god knew without wisdom and understanding, knowledge of good and evil is a death sentence.

Devil didn't tell me, "oh btw, you won't have that knowledge right away, it gathers over time, mistake after mistake after mistake, and that's only if you learn from the mistake."

I ain't ever loved a cac but I must admit y'all take good notes when you want .

 

[alissowack]

There is a difference between giving advice on how to live...and giving life. All the devil offers is advice. Given that the devil can masquerade as an angel of light, he can offer good advice that could better ourselves, but he does not care whether our next breath is our last.

This is false.

Speaking in Abrahamic terms, the devil merely wants to give you the opportunity to decide. It's God who wants to push you in a particular direction with commands and threats and consequences and rewards.

Though I don't agree with God threatening people, I will agree with one thing...God does address consequence. God did give Adam and Eve opportunity to choose and made them aware of the consequences of a particular choice...as with the devil, he essentially said...you can make a choice apart from consequence by saying "you will not surely die". If there is no consequence to the choices we make, then what is going to keep us from choosing what is wrong.

What the Devil wants is for us to spiritually keep putting our hands in the fire though we may not physically feel the burn.

 

[kingblaze84]

It seems Christians rarely know the Bible god's plans lol, that's part of my problem with the Christian view. We demand transparency from politicians, but the Bible god won't make its plans clear. I'm not seeing a compelling reason to take the Bible god seriously when Jesus himself said god answers prayers and can fulfill anything, but yet millions of kids worldwide are afflicted with incurable, natural diseases and disasters.

In mostly Christian Venezuela, people throughout the country are telling reporters they're hungry and water has been cut off, and all I see is an absentee god who is doing his best Harry Houdini impression. Spiritual blessings are great too I guess but I see no evidence it's even capable of that. What makes you think the Bible god is capable of spiritual blessings when it can't even give many the basics of life?

We don't know anybody plans much less God plans outside of what they reveal to us about it. He told us the main plan as it pertain to us as a whole. As far as for each of us individually? Some stuff others just can't know. why that is so hard to accept?

A hint Jesus gave about prayer is ppl don't accomplish much good with theirs because they don't have enough faith.

Some stuff God expect us to settle on our own if we have have the tools and potential to do so.

And when did God ever promise that we wouldn't experience any harm at all? You miss out many good things in life when you only focus on negativity, I wouldn't want to look at things like that..I'd be depressed.

I guess I'm the type of person to question things thoroughly before I believe in it, but I agree many things about life are great, without a doubt. I'm sure you can understand though why many people remain skeptical about the Christian viewpoint, it seems there's more questions then answers when I think about the Christian view. Maybe I have unrealistic ideas of what a god is supposed to be, but otherwise I don't see any evidence the Bible god is a real god at all. It seems just as active as my dead guinea pigs.

 

[kingblaze84]

Assuming things really get that bad worldwide, what do you think this god would do? I'm not sure humans would act better or more humane if things hit rock bottom either, people if anything would be more likely to turn into savages.

I hope god wouldn't do anything, how insulting to give humans all these faculties to be great and then god steps in a does shit for us, that kind of thing takes away from the opportunity to learn from mistakes. And people tend to get a different perspective after they've lost practically everything.

Wow, you would hope god does nothing? Geez, even most religious people hope it does something someday lol but I respect your opinion. I'm not religious so I don't expect much on a worldwide basis but after reading the news today, I think a little divine intervention wouldn't hurt. Many people can't even help or take care of themselves, especially since their countries are bankrupt or don't have the resources.

Holy heaven, god has tried, he's begged, he's pleaded, he's slaughtered, he's sacrificed himself, there is nothing that is gonna wake these humans up!!! Except, maybe them almost wiping themselves out.

Maybe humans haven't "woken up" because god didn't try hard enough to gain the attention and respect of mankind. What is this god doing now, in the age of Youtube, Twitter, and Snapchat? Nowhere to be found. And what do you mean god pleaded, I don't see any gods begging and pleading anywhere.

God doesn't beg anymore, learned long ago humans were too selfish to notice.

When did this god ever beg for humanity's attention though? People have claimed to speak to several gods throughout history, but they seem to be so absent now. It's one of the things that's fascinated me about religion since I was young, how active the gods seem to have been in ancient days but in modern times, they seem either dead or in hiding.

In hiding I think, or maybe we really are blind.

As long as the gods hide from us, people in general have no choice but to be blind to them. Most people can see as far as I know lol, most of us, if not all of us, are willing to give a supernatural being a chance. But first, it has to act supernatural.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Assuming things really get that bad worldwide, what do you think this god would do? I'm not sure humans would act better or more humane if things hit rock bottom either, people if anything would be more likely to turn into savages.

I hope god wouldn't do anything, how insulting to give humans all these faculties to be great and then god steps in a does shit for us, that kind of thing takes away from the opportunity to learn from mistakes. And people tend to get a different perspective after they've lost practically everything.

Wow, you would hope god does nothing? Geez, even most religious people hope it does something someday lol but I respect your opinion. I'm not religious so I don't expect much on a worldwide basis but after reading the news today, I think a little divine intervention wouldn't hurt. Many people can't even help or take care of themselves, especially since their countries are bankrupt or don't have the resources.

Holy heaven, god has tried, he's begged, he's pleaded, he's slaughtered, he's sacrificed himself, there is nothing that is gonna wake these humans up!!! Except, maybe them almost wiping themselves out.

Maybe humans haven't "woken up" because god didn't try hard enough to gain the attention and respect of mankind. What is this god doing now, in the age of Youtube, Twitter, and Snapchat? Nowhere to be found. And what do you mean god pleaded, I don't see any gods begging and pleading anywhere.

God doesn't beg anymore, learned long ago humans were too selfish to notice.

When did this god ever beg for humanity's attention though? People have claimed to speak to several gods throughout history, but they seem to be so absent now. It's one of the things that's fascinated me about religion since I was young, how active the gods seem to have been in ancient days but in modern times, they seem either dead or in hiding.

In hiding I think, or maybe we really are blind.

As long as the gods hide from us, people in general have no choice but to be blind to them. Most people can see as far as I know lol, most of us, if not all of us, are willing to give a supernatural being a chance. But first, it has to act supernatural.

I only came in here to talk about the devil's love not all this other shit.

 

[Ajackson17]

I still see the same debate going on and on and on and on for years and years and years.

But I guess this is just a way to pass the time I guess.

Religion has been around for thousands of years this is not a joke for many many people it's llife or death serious.

And no one has proven a thing, just believe what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on a person negatively. Be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, agnostic, rastafarian, whatever. No one can prove at the end of the day, this is why I don't debate on it. It's not like there is any new finds or new information, nothing. Just rhetoric.

The reason why there will always be a fuss made about what other people believe is because religion just like any other ideology is a container of how an individual sees the world and how you see the world will affect how you think about your fellow man.

like I tried to make you understand in a few other threads THAT in human society ideology, philosophy and psychology are more important to human life than what can be empirically/objectively proved.

So you don't realize that might be the very reason why we have so many issues as a species?

 

[kingblaze84]

Assuming things really get that bad worldwide, what do you think this god would do? I'm not sure humans would act better or more humane if things hit rock bottom either, people if anything would be more likely to turn into savages.

I hope god wouldn't do anything, how insulting to give humans all these faculties to be great and then god steps in a does shit for us, that kind of thing takes away from the opportunity to learn from mistakes. And people tend to get a different perspective after they've lost practically everything.

Wow, you would hope god does nothing? Geez, even most religious people hope it does something someday lol but I respect your opinion. I'm not religious so I don't expect much on a worldwide basis but after reading the news today, I think a little divine intervention wouldn't hurt. Many people can't even help or take care of themselves, especially since their countries are bankrupt or don't have the resources.

Holy heaven, god has tried, he's begged, he's pleaded, he's slaughtered, he's sacrificed himself, there is nothing that is gonna wake these humans up!!! Except, maybe them almost wiping themselves out.

Maybe humans haven't "woken up" because god didn't try hard enough to gain the attention and respect of mankind. What is this god doing now, in the age of Youtube, Twitter, and Snapchat? Nowhere to be found. And what do you mean god pleaded, I don't see any gods begging and pleading anywhere.

God doesn't beg anymore, learned long ago humans were too selfish to notice.

When did this god ever beg for humanity's attention though? People have claimed to speak to several gods throughout history, but they seem to be so absent now. It's one of the things that's fascinated me about religion since I was young, how active the gods seem to have been in ancient days but in modern times, they seem either dead or in hiding.

In hiding I think, or maybe we really are blind.

As long as the gods hide from us, people in general have no choice but to be blind to them. Most people can see as far as I know lol, most of us, if not all of us, are willing to give a supernatural being a chance. But first, it has to act supernatural.

I only came in here to talk about the devil's love not all this other shit.

Lol I feel you....humanity can use all the love it can get!

 

[x the unknown]

powerful thread right here

 

[zzombie]

I still see the same debate going on and on and on and on for years and years and years.

But I guess this is just a way to pass the time I guess.

Religion has been around for thousands of years this is not a joke for many many people it's llife or death serious.

And no one has proven a thing, just believe what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on a person negatively. Be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, agnostic, rastafarian, whatever. No one can prove at the end of the day, this is why I don't debate on it. It's not like there is any new finds or new information, nothing. Just rhetoric.

The reason why there will always be a fuss made about what other people believe is because religion just like any other ideology is a container of how an individual sees the world and how you see the world will affect how you think about your fellow man.

like I tried to make you understand in a few other threads THAT in human society ideology, philosophy and psychology are more important to human life than what can be empirically/objectively proved.

So you don't realize that might be the very reason why we have so many issues as a species?

The only difference between a so called fable and our so called objective reality is the human mind. Now the human mind is shaped by religion and religion can be shaped by the human mind which is why what you disrespectfully consider to be fables IS of utmost importance to what kind of world the human species creates.

 

[Ajackson17]

I still see the same debate going on and on and on and on for years and years and years.

But I guess this is just a way to pass the time I guess.

Religion has been around for thousands of years this is not a joke for many many people it's llife or death serious.

And no one has proven a thing, just believe what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on a person negatively. Be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, agnostic, rastafarian, whatever. No one can prove at the end of the day, this is why I don't debate on it. It's not like there is any new finds or new information, nothing. Just rhetoric.

The reason why there will always be a fuss made about what other people believe is because religion just like any other ideology is a container of how an individual sees the world and how you see the world will affect how you think about your fellow man.

like I tried to make you understand in a few other threads THAT in human society ideology, philosophy and psychology are more important to human life than what can be empirically/objectively proved.

So you don't realize that might be the very reason why we have so many issues as a species?

The only difference between a so called fable and our so called objective reality is the human mind. Now the human mind is shaped by religion and religion can be shaped by the human mind which is why what you disrespectfully consider to be fables IS of utmost importance to what kind of world the human species creates.

Perception and reality are not the same.

 

[Mr_Vicodin81G]

Hell seems a lot more fun than heaven imo

 

[Mr_Vicodin81G]

Which ever one has the weed heaven or hell is the place I would want 2 end up. They both bogus tho.

 

[Fosheezy]

I guess I'm the type of person to question things thoroughly before I believe in it, but I agree many things about life are great, without a doubt. I'm sure you can understand though why many people remain skeptical about the Christian viewpoint, it seems there's more questions then answers when I think about the Christian view. Maybe I have unrealistic ideas of what a god is supposed to be, but otherwise I don't see any evidence the Bible god is a real god at all. It seems just as active as my dead guinea pigs.

@kingblaze84

I get that. It's all gravy. As long as you not like some ppl that go around purposely lying about the facts.

I be praying that ppl come to their senses about the word but if a person won't be honest with themselves it's hard...it's like something ppl refuse to do these days it seem.

Maybe your mind is completely made up already. I had a couple friends like that....some of them I'm no longer friends with. Not because I did anything wrong to them but just because my strong held biblical views...but at least I know the reason they don't wanna be friends isn't because I wasn't being real with em

 

[zzombie]

I still see the same debate going on and on and on and on for years and years and years.

But I guess this is just a way to pass the time I guess.

Religion has been around for thousands of years this is not a joke for many many people it's llife or death serious.

And no one has proven a thing, just believe what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on a person negatively. Be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, agnostic, rastafarian, whatever. No one can prove at the end of the day, this is why I don't debate on it. It's not like there is any new finds or new information, nothing. Just rhetoric.

The reason why there will always be a fuss made about what other people believe is because religion just like any other ideology is a container of how an individual sees the world and how you see the world will affect how you think about your fellow man.

like I tried to make you understand in a few other threads THAT in human society ideology, philosophy and psychology are more important to human life than what can be empirically/objectively proved.

So you don't realize that might be the very reason why we have so many issues as a species?

The only difference between a so called fable and our so called objective reality is the human mind. Now the human mind is shaped by religion and religion can be shaped by the human mind which is why what you disrespectfully consider to be fables IS of utmost importance to what kind of world the human species creates.

Perception and reality are not the same.

PERCEPTION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN REALITY. There are scientist that will tell you that what we call reality is a 3-d projection ( look it up ) but who cares??? that doesn't affect anything in human life that is actually pertinent to human life... those fables however do actually address human life and have guided humanity

 

[kingblaze84]

I guess I'm the type of person to question things thoroughly before I believe in it, but I agree many things about life are great, without a doubt. I'm sure you can understand though why many people remain skeptical about the Christian viewpoint, it seems there's more questions then answers when I think about the Christian view. Maybe I have unrealistic ideas of what a god is supposed to be, but otherwise I don't see any evidence the Bible god is a real god at all. It seems just as active as my dead guinea pigs.

@kingblaze84

I get that. It's all gravy. As long as you not like some ppl that go around purposely lying about the facts.

I be praying that ppl come to their senses about the word but if a person won't be honest with themselves it's hard...it's like something ppl refuse to do these days it seem.

Maybe your mind is completely made up already. I had a couple friends like that....some of them I'm no longer friends with. Not because I did anything wrong to them but just because my strong held biblical views...but at least I know the reason they don't wanna be friends isn't because I wasn't being real with em

Yeah I got friends who are Christian and it's a shame you lost some friends over your beliefs, but I wouldn't stop respecting someone just because they have different religious beliefs then me. My homegirl (the chick on my avy) is herself Christian and sometimes after smoking weed she likes to get a little preachy on me, and she knows exactly how I feel about the Bible god but respect is respect.

As far as my mind being made up, as I've said throughout this thread and others ones, I'm open to a god proving itself to me. But if my basic questions about life can't be answered, then my mind will remain closed to the Bible and whatever stories are in it. Believe it or not I myself prayed when I was younger to have my faith be increased, but all I felt was silence. Being honest with myself, I decided I can't believe what I don't see or feel. But congrats on being able to feel the Bible god's presence lol