Texas CHURCH SHOOTING: 20 Shots fired during service (27 Dead- 20+ Injured)

[skpjr78]

Idk b/c the grand jury proceedings are supposed to be secret. Black people make up 30% of the Cuyahoga county population and if the jury makeup represented the county that leaves you with a maximum of 4 votes. In and of it self that's not enough to indictment anyone. You need those 9 white votes which is what 2/3 of that grand jury pool looks like in Cuyahoga county. That clearly didn't happen.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm not sure what you are asking or why. But ok. They are "above average" white men who are outliers\aberrations and have no connection what so ever to other whites. You know despite their past and present history of these types of incidents. Better?

I have a problem with you constantly typing things I haven't typed. You have used words like hate, enemy and made a statement in regards to me denying "whites should exist". You should chill on the lying cuz. I don't feel that way nor do I type such things. A Black man ignoring the obvious (dead people) to focus on real issues (white terrorism) isn't emulating whites. whites ignore POC issues while, using their voices, media, politics, law enforcement, votes, financial leverage etc to deny POC opportunity. You're attempts at making some correlation are lame and dishonest.

Did you not say the following?

Let's address the real issue. white man. "average" white men are shooting and blowing america the fuck up while everyone not white pays the price.

Did you means something by that other than the accusation that the white men committing those acts represent the average white man? How exactly did I misrepresent what you said? If anyone is misrepresenting anyone, you're the one doing that to me. I never said you said you hated whites, but I certainly could see that argument being made based on what you do say. Nor did I claim that you said whites shouldn't exist. That's literally some shit you just made up. I already addressed those accusations the first time you made them. I'm not sure why you continue to assert them.

I'm not even sure why you're purposely distorting my comments. Wouldn't it be simpler to just respond to the things I say rather than making up your own shit? Or maybe you've forgotten the impetus of this discussion. It came from dissension with what others (e.g., @ghostdog123456) said. You basically and others are defending his side, which is fine, but just because I say something about his side doesn't mean I'm directing it towards you. That dude said something like "everyday a lot of white people die is a good day." That's some hateful shit. If that's not how you feel fine, but when you defend that stance you are legitimizing it to some degree.

I also didn't claim you ignoring dead people was emulating whites. I say you're emulating whites because you make the same kind of arguments they make. I made it clear what I was talking about. You saying that these shooters represent the average white person is no different than racists saying gangbangers that pull drivebys represent the average black person.

Did you means something by that other than the accusation that the white men committing those acts represent the average white man?

Obviously because, I didn't type anything in regards to "representation". The average white man means exactly that. Working stiff, maybe with a family, pays bills and takes his labrador to the vet.

So, now to address your lies. You did adequately address any of this. I just didn't feel the need to respond.

You typed:

"The problem is with you dudes the "support white supremacy indirectly" part comes down to them simply existing.

You very clearly say here that I "dudes" have a problem with whites existing. I do not believe remotely close to your trash statement.

What sense does it make to hate someone because of the consequences of things that may not even be in their control?

No one accept you typed "HATE" of any kind. You clearly say here that I and others "HATE" whites. And you are looking for answer as to why.

No distortion necessary. It's right there.

whites aren't saying anything remotely close to what I am saying. The majority don't even want gun control. So, comparing me to them is your ability to be honest. I get you are capping for someone in your family, wifey, mom or dad so I aint even mad. It's your job to defend the indefensible.

lol @ you playing word games now. By represent, I clearly only meant that you were saying those guys are "average" white guys. As far as the "average" qualities you just listed, I don't really see what any of the things you listed have to do with the discussion though, since those usually aren't the primary factors that contribute to these dudes pulling this shit. It's typically the shit that takes them out of the average (e.g., mental health or extreme racist views) that lead to these incidents.

I said your problem with whites indirectly contributing to white supremacy boils down to them existing. I'm not saying you personally don't want white people to exist. I'm saying that their indirect contribution is likely a product of their existence and not fully something they can control.

If you said "I want to murder every white person in the world," you didn't say you had a problem with white people, but it's fair for me to extrapolate that from your comment. I already gave an example of some hateful shit that was said in this topic. You personally haven't said anything that extreme, but you certainly make a lot of generalizations and accusations, definitely enough to suggest you have some animus directed towards them.

I gave you an exact example of the parallels between what you're saying and what they say, and you instead ignore that and talk about gun control, which is not a point I even addressed. Then you accused me of caping for white people. I'm not caping for them. You can take white out and insert Mexican, Chinese, Martian, whatever the fuck you want. My issue is not with you attacking white people, but with the illogical and hypocritical premises many of you keep pushing. I've said on many occasions, ya'll care about white people a hell of a lot more than I do. Outside of the ones in my family, I don't really give a fuck about white people. I tend not to subscribe to this group thought that you guys and the white racists embrace so much.

 

[VIBE]

That’s not even ANTIFA MO

White nationalists and Russian agents are doing that shit. They're trying to make the left look more violent through social media and planting rioters at these Antifa protests. They all cover up their faces. Gotta be careful w this shit. The Russians used BLM to do the same shit.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a shit about that child's death to demand a trial.

I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a fuck. I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.

Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story

For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.

So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the bullshit and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the shit we go through.

 

[Copper]

White guy on cnn said its only terrorism if theyre doing it for political or social reasons.


But the dictionary disagrees

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

 

[5th Letter]

They did the same thing during Vegas.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

White guy on cnn said its only terrorism if theyre doing it for political or social reasons.


But the dictionary disagrees

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

I didn't watch the video, so I'm not sure how far they got into it. But the legal definition as far as how terrorism charges go is:

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives

So the motivations do have to be political or social in nature in order for a charge of terrorism to be declared.

 

[skpjr78]

14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a shit about that child's death to demand a trial.

I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a fuck. I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.

Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story

For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.

So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the bullshit and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the shit we go through.

The bolded undercut whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. And if it's that obvious to see what the DA was doing the question must be asked why did he feel so comfortable doing it in the first place? People don't seem to realize that district attorney is an ELECTED office. Tim Mcgintity only got 30% of the black vote but he still won over 50% of the white vote. His whole re-election campaign strategy was based on A ) black ppl not voting and B ) the overwhelming majority of white people in Cuyahoga County not giving a fuck about the Tamir Rice case. That's why he felt so comfortable doing what he did. Even though he lost the election 51% of white people proved they didn't give a shit about Tamir's murder by voting for him.

The point is you can't absolve the "average everyday white person" for their racist attitudes and behaviors by blaming "institutions". At the end of the day in a democratic society the voters are the only institution that matters. The majority of white voters still voted for Mcginity even after seeing the bullshit he pulled on Tamir Rice. The majority of voters in Cuyahoga County are white and all jury members come from the voter rolls. Racism, bigotry and hatred matters in a majority rules democratic society. The voters determine who control these institutions and if you have at least 50.1% of voters who are racist you end up with Tamir Rice type situations.

 

[King Erauno]

niggas turning this tragedy into a think piece thread

 

[blackrain]

to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.

while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.

Why lower yourself to the standards of those who have proven to be less than?

we all dont have to but at some point someone has to.

this high horse mighty ground aint been working for quite a while.

Its not a high horse to have better morals than those you consider to be without them. I understand operating for the world as it is as opposed to how you want it it to be...I also am weary of people becoming the very thing they criticize and call out rightfully so as being evil and inhumane. There's a fine line and most don't know how to toe it and instead of just being numb you get people thinking laughing at dead kids is funny

 

[The Lonious Monk]

14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a shit about that child's death to demand a trial.

I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a fuck. I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.

Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story

For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.

So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the bullshit and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the shit we go through.

The bolded undercut whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. And if it's that obvious to see what the DA was doing the question must be asked why did he feel so comfortable doing it in the first place? People don't seem to realize that district attorney is an ELECTED office. Tim Mcgintity only got 30% of the black vote but he still won over 50% of the white vote. His whole re-election campaign strategy was based on A ) black ppl not voting and B ) the overwhelming majority of white people in Cuyahoga County not giving a fuck about the Tamir Rice case. That's why he felt so comfortable doing what he did. Even though he lost the election 51% of white people proved they didn't give a shit about Tamir's murder by voting for him.

The point is you can't absolve the majority of white people for their racist attitudes and behaviors by blaming "institutions". At the end of the day in a democratic society the voters are the only institution that matters. The majority of white voters still voted for Mcginity even after seeing the bullshit he pulled on Tamir Rice. The majority of voters in Cuyahoga County are white and all jury members come from the voter rolls. Racism, bigotry and hatred matters in a majority rules democratic society. The voters determine who control these institutions and if you have at least 50.1% of voters who are racist you end up with Tamir Rice type situations.

The bold didn't undercut anything. Juries make bad decisions all the time, not just about racial shit. Attorneys get paid a lot of money to get juries to vote the way they want them too. That's how the system works. People on the outside always have shit to say about jury decisions, but it's a little different when you're given a set of rules, sequestered, inundated with a bunch of shit that you're unsure about, and expected to make a decision that could seriously affect many people. And you missed the point I was making. Again, it's not that all those people were indifferent to Rice's death (some likely were), it's more that most of them didn't see it as murder. They believed the cops were justified because that's what everyone was telling them was the case. Pretty much the only people speaking against it was the family. Everyone else in that area with any insight into the case said it was an unfortunate tragedy.

And I'm not absolving anyone of anything. Everyone has bigoted opinions, and white bigotry is more dangerous than most. However, you can believe that without oversimplifying and misrepresenting shit. Especially when doing that is not constructive. Writing the Rice jury off as racist and leaving it there accomplishes nothing. Digging in deep and finding that DA didn't want to convict the cops because he depended on them and didn't want to hurt his relationship with them is constructive. Because now you know that conflict of interest is at the heart of these cases and you can push for new policy such as making it mandatory that independent prosecutors from outside of the area handle every cop case.

 

[Copper]

White guy on cnn said its only terrorism if theyre doing it for political or social reasons.


But the dictionary disagrees

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

I didn't watch the video, so I'm not sure how far they got into it. But the legal definition as far as how terrorism charges go is:

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives

So the motivations do have to be political or social in nature in order for a charge of terrorism to be declared.

"Force of violence against a civilian population for social objective"

Whos to say its not a social objective?

 

[stringer bell]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-gun-control-sutherland-springs

Cruz On Gun Control After TX Shooting: ‘We Don’t Need Politics Right Now’ – Talking Points Memo

Ted Cruz chided a reporter who asked Monday whether the gun massacre in Sutherland Springs, Texas, that left 26 parishioners dead Sunday necessitated stricter gun control.

“Do we need gun control now, sir?” a reporter asked Cruz during a press briefing.

“You know, it is an unfortunate thing that the immediate place the media goes after any tragedy, after any murder is politicizing it,” Cruz said. “We don’t need politics right now.”

He continued: “I would note in New York we saw a terror attack just this week with a truck. Evil is evil is evil, and will use the weaponry that is available.”

Cruz celebrated one person who responded the shooting by retrieving his own gun and shooting at the alleged murderer, Devin Kelly, until Kelly fled the scene.

“We need to be celebrating that bravery and courage,” he said.

Earlier Monday, White House adviser Kellyanne Conway criticized people calling for gun control after the massacre, saying they saw “politics and Trump derangement in every single thing they do.”

 

[VIBE]

Crazy that 8 family members of the same family died. 3 generations killed in seconds.

 

[VIBE]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/927682956059168768

 

[skpjr78]

14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a shit about that child's death to demand a trial.

I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a fuck. I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.

Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story

For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.

So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the bullshit and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the shit we go through.

The bolded undercut whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. And if it's that obvious to see what the DA was doing the question must be asked why did he feel so comfortable doing it in the first place? People don't seem to realize that district attorney is an ELECTED office. Tim Mcgintity only got 30% of the black vote but he still won over 50% of the white vote. His whole re-election campaign strategy was based on A ) black ppl not voting and B ) the overwhelming majority of white people in Cuyahoga County not giving a fuck about the Tamir Rice case. That's why he felt so comfortable doing what he did. Even though he lost the election 51% of white people proved they didn't give a shit about Tamir's murder by voting for him.

The point is you can't absolve the majority of white people for their racist attitudes and behaviors by blaming "institutions". At the end of the day in a democratic society the voters are the only institution that matters. The majority of white voters still voted for Mcginity even after seeing the bullshit he pulled on Tamir Rice. The majority of voters in Cuyahoga County are white and all jury members come from the voter rolls. Racism, bigotry and hatred matters in a majority rules democratic society. The voters determine who control these institutions and if you have at least 50.1% of voters who are racist you end up with Tamir Rice type situations.

The bold didn't undercut anything. Juries make bad decisions all the time, not just about racial shit. Attorneys get paid a lot of money to get juries to vote the way they want them too. That's how the system works. People on the outside always have shit to say about jury decisions, but it's a little different when you're given a set of rules, sequestered, inundated with a bunch of shit that you're unsure about, and expected to make a decision that could seriously affect many people. And you missed the point I was making. Again, it's not that all those people were indifferent to Rice's death (some likely were), it's more that most of them didn't see it as murder. They believed the cops were justified because that's what everyone was telling them was the case. Pretty much the only people speaking against it was the family. Everyone else in that area with any insight into the case said it was an unfortunate tragedy.

And I'm not absolving anyone of anything. Everyone has bigoted opinions, and white bigotry is more dangerous than most. However, you can believe that without oversimplifying and misrepresenting shit. Especially when doing that is not constructive. Writing the Rice jury off as racist and leaving it there accomplishes nothing. Digging in deep and finding that DA didn't want to convict the cops because he depended on them and didn't want to hurt his relationship with them is constructive. Because now you know that conflict of interest is at the heart of these cases and you can push for new policy such as making it mandatory that independent prosecutors from outside of the area handle every cop case.

 

[TheGOAT]

Sound like the Air Force should pay major settlements to the victims famlies

 

[stringer bell]

https://twitter.com/s_saeen/status/927298569245208577
https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/927661327421714433

 

[stringer bell]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/927585553360588801

 

[TheGOAT]

Ghostface Killah reaction to Church killings