Tariq Nasheed pulls up on Tommy Sotomayor

[xxCivicxx]

I keep seeing people mentioning this dude (Tariq), Umar Johnson, Frances Cress Welsing, Phil Valentine and people of this ilk.

Do people not realize that these are not serious intellectuals and that real, serious black intellectuals do not take them seriously?

It just seems like only certain charlatans get noticed and venerated. Why? Why idolize the Frances Cress Welsings of the world but not truly distinguished people like William J. Wilson, John Hope Franklin, Cornel West, or even Michael Eric Dyson?

What serious black intellectuals don't take them serious and proof of this?

And what qualifies one as a "serious black intellectual"?

None of them do. As for proof, I don't know that there is any single or few things that I can point to. But it's clear from reading their books and observing them over the years. So that's all that I am going to say.

-Makes a vague general statement about black intellectuals

-Can't name a single black intellectual that he's speaking on

-Can't back up any of his posts with proof

-Still decided to click post comment

 

[CapitalB]

I keep seeing people mentioning this dude (Tariq), Umar Johnson, Frances Cress Welsing, Phil Valentine and people of this ilk.

Do people not realize that these are not serious intellectuals and that real, serious black intellectuals do not take them seriously?

It just seems like only certain charlatans get noticed and venerated. Why? Why idolize the Frances Cress Welsings of the world but not truly distinguished people like William J. Wilson, John Hope Franklin, Cornel West, or even Michael Eric Dyson?

What serious black intellectuals don't take them serious and proof of this?

And what qualifies one as a "serious black intellectual"?

None of them do. As for proof, I don't know that there is any single or few things that I can point to. But it's clear from reading their books and observing them over the years. So that's all that I am going to say.

-Makes a vague general statement about black intellectuals

-Can't name a single black intellectual that he's speaking on

-Can't back up any of his posts with proof

-Still decided to click post comment

jus flag him "abuse" like i do..

for bein a faggot. lol

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

This is hilarious....yall keep this going

 

[kzzl]

Ayo fuck both of these niggas

Why fuck Tariq tho? What has he done to have the black community turn on him? And that's a rhetorical question cuz I don't want a reason to hate him

All I ever see is him standing up for us. Crabs in a bucket if u ask me..

According to some people in this thread, you can't have a past, or make mistakes, shit or even just be young lol....

As a leader(what they called him not me) you must have no skeletons in your closet, you can't address threats, or even confront niggas who get super aggressive with females and super passive with males

Exactly

Malcolm X had a criminal record. He robbed and stole and did drugs and fucked white females

He's a coon too right @Muhannad ??

not the same..

leave Malcolm out of it.

even as a kid he knew the white man wasnt about shit..

he wouldnt have done no sucka shit like what was jus posted..

nah.. jus nah..

i dont even follow Tariq..

but based off of that?! nah.. i cant funk wit him. lol

doesnt mean he aint sayin some real shit..

talk to a drunk bum long enough and ull walk away wit some knowledge.. but he still a drunk bum.

Oh ok that's different huh lol

my nigga Malcolm wouldnt have played himself like that..

if u wanna talk about Malcolm and his character we can talk about it..

thats THREE times this nigga done played himself tho!!?

im off cuhz.. HE'S OUT!! lol

Even MLK fucked around on Coretta

My point is just that we shouldn't compare these guys to jesus because they'll fall short every time

We're all fallible. I appreciate the people that at least act like they give af

Lol.

But Obama is the quintessential punching bag ...

I guess If it weren't for all those times that he publically disparaged women...

- Or cheated on his wife

- Or acted criminally against his community

- Or embarrassed his race with White House scandals

Come to think of it ...

He never worked hard or did ANYTHING for black people.

Yeah. Nevermind.

Let's continue to blame him for all of our problems.

You're talking gibberish and you seem to be confusing yourself

What does your post have to do with mine?

Nah - not confused.

Just pointing out hypocrisy.

You implore us to "look over the faults" of figures in the black community and focus on their contributions ...

Because you know - they will always fall short if we "compare them to Jesus"

But you and others aggressively minimize and flat out ignore the contributions of Obama while magnifying his faults and manufacturing flaws in the absense of context.

But yeah - if you were implying that my comment was off topic, you are indeed correct.

I just find this shit interesting ...

*shrugs*

Y'all can continue defending your man's on the internet.

Obama's faults costed black people their lives. He WAS your leader and you niggas are too insecure to have a thread about him where he's criticized now. So yeah, folks can defend him like you do yours.

The bolded statement has emotional appeal, because it is based on emotion.

Horrible things happened WHILE Obama was President.

Did they happen BECAUSE of Obama?

You are pointing to a non existent link of causation.

Do you own a business or have you ever held positional authority over direct reports in your line of work?

Horrible things happened because the perpetrators of those horrible things were not punished. When Obama had that beer with that cop after his friend skip was discriminated against, that showed us everything we needed to know in hindsight. So when the government failed to protect its citizens from racist terrorist, Obama being at the top of that chair recieves the blame, along with everyone below him.

I'm not sure what the italics have to do with anything, but yes, I've been a foreman twice.

 

[b'mer...]

Smh...these russian niccas always up to somethin...

 

[DR. JEK]

Ayo fuck both of these niggas

Why fuck Tariq tho? What has he done to have the black community turn on him? And that's a rhetorical question cuz I don't want a reason to hate him

All I ever see is him standing up for us. Crabs in a bucket if u ask me..

According to some people in this thread, you can't have a past, or make mistakes, shit or even just be young lol....

As a leader(what they called him not me) you must have no skeletons in your closet, you can't address threats, or even confront niggas who get super aggressive with females and super passive with males

Exactly

Malcolm X had a criminal record. He robbed and stole and did drugs and fucked white females

He's a coon too right @Muhannad ??

not the same..

leave Malcolm out of it.

even as a kid he knew the white man wasnt about shit..

he wouldnt have done no sucka shit like what was jus posted..

nah.. jus nah..

i dont even follow Tariq..

but based off of that?! nah.. i cant funk wit him. lol

doesnt mean he aint sayin some real shit..

talk to a drunk bum long enough and ull walk away wit some knowledge.. but he still a drunk bum.

Oh ok that's different huh lol

my nigga Malcolm wouldnt have played himself like that..

if u wanna talk about Malcolm and his character we can talk about it..

thats THREE times this nigga done played himself tho!!?

im off cuhz.. HE'S OUT!! lol

Even MLK fucked around on Coretta

My point is just that we shouldn't compare these guys to jesus because they'll fall short every time

We're all fallible. I appreciate the people that at least act like they give af

Real talk, great post

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2raV77eJKo8&t=28s

It just keeps getting better lol.

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

When do Hidden Colors 5 drop?

 

[Splackavelli]

I keep seeing people mentioning this dude (Tariq), Umar Johnson, Frances Cress Welsing, Phil Valentine and people of this ilk.

Do people not realize that these are not serious intellectuals and that real, serious black intellectuals do not take them seriously?

It just seems like only certain charlatans get noticed and venerated. Why? Why idolize the Frances Cress Welsings of the world but not truly distinguished people like William J. Wilson, John Hope Franklin, Cornel West, or even Michael Eric Dyson?

Shut up crispy!

 

[Peace_79]

Ayo fuck both of these niggas

Why fuck Tariq tho? What has he done to have the black community turn on him? And that's a rhetorical question cuz I don't want a reason to hate him

All I ever see is him standing up for us. Crabs in a bucket if u ask me..

According to some people in this thread, you can't have a past, or make mistakes, shit or even just be young lol....

As a leader(what they called him not me) you must have no skeletons in your closet, you can't address threats, or even confront niggas who get super aggressive with females and super passive with males

Exactly

Malcolm X had a criminal record. He robbed and stole and did drugs and fucked white females

He's a coon too right @Muhannad ??

not the same..

leave Malcolm out of it.

even as a kid he knew the white man wasnt about shit..

he wouldnt have done no sucka shit like what was jus posted..

nah.. jus nah..

i dont even follow Tariq..

but based off of that?! nah.. i cant funk wit him. lol

doesnt mean he aint sayin some real shit..

talk to a drunk bum long enough and ull walk away wit some knowledge.. but he still a drunk bum.

Oh ok that's different huh lol

my nigga Malcolm wouldnt have played himself like that..

if u wanna talk about Malcolm and his character we can talk about it..

thats THREE times this nigga done played himself tho!!?

im off cuhz.. HE'S OUT!! lol

Even MLK fucked around on Coretta

My point is just that we shouldn't compare these guys to jesus because they'll fall short every time

We're all fallible. I appreciate the people that at least act like they give af

Lol.

But Obama is the quintessential punching bag ...

I guess If it weren't for all those times that he publically disparaged women...

- Or cheated on his wife

- Or acted criminally against his community

- Or embarrassed his race with White House scandals

Come to think of it ...

He never worked hard or did ANYTHING for black people.

Yeah. Nevermind.

Let's continue to blame him for all of our problems.

You're talking gibberish and you seem to be confusing yourself

What does your post have to do with mine?

Nah - not confused.

Just pointing out hypocrisy.

You implore us to "look over the faults" of figures in the black community and focus on their contributions ...

Because you know - they will always fall short if we "compare them to Jesus"

But you and others aggressively minimize and flat out ignore the contributions of Obama while magnifying his faults and manufacturing flaws in the absense of context.

But yeah - if you were implying that my comment was off topic, you are indeed correct.

I just find this shit interesting ...

*shrugs*

Y'all can continue defending your man's on the internet.

Obama's faults costed black people their lives. He WAS your leader and you niggas are too insecure to have a thread about him where he's criticized now. So yeah, folks can defend him like you do yours.

The bolded statement has emotional appeal, because it is based on emotion.

Horrible things happened WHILE Obama was President.

Did they happen BECAUSE of Obama?

You are pointing to a non existent link of causation.

Do you own a business or have you ever held positional authority over direct reports in your line of work?

Horrible things happened because the perpetrators of those horrible things were not punished. When Obama had that beer with that cop after his friend skip was discriminated against, that showed us everything we needed to know in hindsight. So when the government failed to protect its citizens from racist terrorist, Obama being at the top of that chair recieves the blame, along with everyone below him.

I'm not sure what the italics have to do with anything, but yes, I've been a foreman twice.

Him having that beer with a cop was a bitch move IMO

However, that action did not sentence people to death...

What it did was show his insensitivity to the situation and a lapse in his judgement.

I wonder if any other black person has exhibited he above traits at one point or another in their life ...

You claim that

"Horrible things happened BECAUSE the perpetrators of those horrible things were NOT punished."

As if there is a DIRECT line of causality between the ACTIONS of the President ... and the ACTIONS of Independent citizens and entire organizations of people.

I assume that you realize the multiple layers of decision-making and influence separating the entities at either end of that spectrum.

Obama is not a dictator.

You talk as though we can reduce the systemic phenomenon of police aggression in urban communities, mired with centuries of historical context; down to the simplest model of behavior.

Like he had a light switch ...

If the President flicks it on ... black people live.

If the President flicks it off ... black people die.

So simple.

Obama just "chose" the latter.

You KNOW things are more complex than that.

You KNOW that the systemic structures and racial conditions that have fueled this phenomenon have been cultivated for CENTURIES before Obama even took office.

You KNOW that it is pretty absurd to expect these racial conditons, societal structures, and undesireable outcomes to completely stop with the stroke of a single action from the sitting President.

The truth is, Obama is just an outlet for your anger (anger which is well justified by the way).

Details and logic have been set aside to fully accommodate the emotion that we feel as a community.

The problem is that blaming Obama does nothing to move us closer to our goals.

Unfortunately the narrative of blame for Obama and the Democratic Party has helped elect a President and Adminstration that will make the fight we have ahead of us EVEN MORE difficult in the years to come.

 

[Peace_79]

For example, if you were President, how would YOU go about constitutionally "punishing" a police officer who got into a fatal altercation with a citizen?

And how would this action immediately STOP all similar altercations from occurring in the future.

Be specific.

BTW, this exchange has been all about perceived negative aspects of Obama.

Regarding my original point, can you think of any positive contributions that Obama has made to the black community?

As you find it so easy to excuse the faults of TN and appreciate his contributions... I wonder if you can apply the same skill to another black figure that you happen to not be fond of.

 

[jono]

You need to keep the beer summit in context. Obama made a comment about that scenario, specifically the cop in question, realized it wasn't as cut and dry as previously thought and decided to mediate.

He learned a slight lesson from that, the same lesson alot of people should have. Though he spoke on the Trayvon Martin thing too but in a more meaningful way.

 

[xxCivicxx]

For example, if you were President, how would YOU go about constitutionally "punishing" a police officer who got into a fatal altercation with a citizen?

And how would this action immediately STOP all similar altercations from occurring in the future.

Be specific.



BTW, this exchange has been all about perceived negative aspects of Obama.

Regarding my original point, can you think of any positive contributions that Obama has made to the black community?

As you find it so easy to excuse the faults of TN and appreciate his contributions... I wonder if you can apply the same skill to another black figure that you happen to not be fond of.

I would tell the attorney general WHO I APPOINTED, TO PROSECUTE

Oh I'm sorry, that makes too much sense smh

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

For example, if you were President, how would YOU go about constitutionally "punishing" a police officer who got into a fatal altercation with a citizen?

And how would this action immediately STOP all similar altercations from occurring in the future.

Be specific.



BTW, this exchange has been all about perceived negative aspects of Obama.

Regarding my original point, can you think of any positive contributions that Obama has made to the black community?

As you find it so easy to excuse the faults of TN and appreciate his contributions... I wonder if you can apply the same skill to another black figure that you happen to not be fond of.

I would tell the attorney general WHO I APPOINTED, TO PROSECUTE

Oh I'm sorry, that makes too much sense smh

And then......

 

[a.mann]

WTH??

No president should have the unilateral power to force the attorney general prosecute citizens

Do you even understand the precedent that will set when inevitably a president (e.g. Trump)

gets into office who does NOT share your political & social views???

You cats love to go on & on about people being in their "emotions " but being overly emotional is why you can't see the wisdom as to WHY Obama did not tie the black community's plight to that of special laws,Executive Orders etc ""specifically" benefiting ONLY black people.

All that shit can be easily and legally over turned and taken away by the next Administration and Congress

Which is why Obama worked outside of Presidential office to directly help the community, with initiative like My Brother Keepers, job & tech training programs etc,etc

 

[5th Letter]

WTH??

No president should have the unilateral power to force the attorney general prosecute citizens

Do you even understand the precedent that will set when inevitably a president (e.g. Trump)

gets into office who does NOT share your political & social views???

You cats love to go on & on about people being in their "emotions " but being overly emotional is why you can't see the wisdom as to WHY Obama did not tie the black community's plight to that of special laws,Executive Orders etc ""specifically" benefiting ONLY black people.

All that shit can be easily and legally over turned and taken away by the next Administration and Congress

Which is why Obama worked outside of Presidential office to directly help the community, with initiative like My Brother Keepers, job & tech training programs etc,etc

So you're saying there was absolutely zero things Obama could do to protect black people from race soldiers? Nothing at all? But this guy can sign off on Blue Lives Matter bills right after those cops got murdered in Dallas and Louisiana?

 

[xxCivicxx]

WTH??

No president should have the unilateral power to force the attorney general prosecute citizens

Do you even understand the precedent that will set when inevitably a president (e.g. Trump)

gets into office who does NOT share your political & social views???

You cats love to go on & on about people being in their "emotions " but being overly emotional is why you can't see the wisdom as to WHY Obama did not tie the black community's plight to that of special laws,Executive Orders etc ""specifically" benefiting ONLY black people.

All that shit can be easily and legally over turned and taken away by the next Administration and Congress

Which is why Obama worked outside of Presidential office to directly help the community, with initiative like My Brother Keepers, job & tech training programs etc,etc

They do have that power though

Which is why the attorney general isn't voted in

 

[Peace_79]

For example, if you were President, how would YOU go about constitutionally "punishing" a police officer who got into a fatal altercation with a citizen?

And how would this action immediately STOP all similar altercations from occurring in the future.

Be specific.



BTW, this exchange has been all about perceived negative aspects of Obama.

Regarding my original point, can you think of any positive contributions that Obama has made to the black community?

As you find it so easy to excuse the faults of TN and appreciate his contributions... I wonder if you can apply the same skill to another black figure that you happen to not be fond of.

I would tell the attorney general WHO I APPOINTED TO PROSECUTE

Oh I'm sorry, that makes too much sense smh

Ok President Civix.

Once the Attorney General prosecutes and finds this police officer NOT GUILTY ...

And you are vilified by the Republican controlled Congress ...

Who successfully push the narrative that you are an impartial President, abusing your power to PERSECUTE "innocent" police officers who "protect" our communities -

Therefore, neutering any legitimate power the Executive Branch may have had to ACTUALLY address the multi-faceted root causes of the issue.

And placing unjustified damage on the credibility of the BLM movement in the eyes of the average American person; curbing its momentum and disabling its efficacy to alter the narrative and bring about change.

Then, what will YOU do as President once another fatal altercation occurs on your watch???

You don't want to be "responsible" for any more black people dying.

You better find a way to up the ante to unilaterally "punish" these offenders ...

Not that we would expect you to do anything ...

"That useless President Civix hasn't done ANYTHING for black people"

 

[xxCivicxx]

For example, if you were President, how would YOU go about constitutionally "punishing" a police officer who got into a fatal altercation with a citizen?

And how would this action immediately STOP all similar altercations from occurring in the future.

Be specific.



BTW, this exchange has been all about perceived negative aspects of Obama.

Regarding my original point, can you think of any positive contributions that Obama has made to the black community?

As you find it so easy to excuse the faults of TN and appreciate his contributions... I wonder if you can apply the same skill to another black figure that you happen to not be fond of.

I would tell the attorney general WHO I APPOINTED TO PROSECUTE

Oh I'm sorry, that makes too much sense smh

Ok President Civix.

Once the Attorney General prosecutes and finds this police officer NOT GUILTY ...

Smh pseudo-intellectual

You basically just said there's no point in attempting to seek justice because black people won't get it

But you think you're making sense

 

[jono]

The odd thing is the DOJ under Obama has been aggressive against police misconduct, but doing a google search is harder than ranting and raving I guess.