Talib Kweli speaks out about homosexuality in hip-hop

[Ear2DaSt]

YMCMR!

 

[Bcotton5]

Who ever it is maybe already in the mix just hasn't been revealed yet!

Being a Lil Wayne fan since the early CMR days to how hes changed in the spotlight i thought it was him but he just may have been the opening puppet to introduce the actual faggot but hey say what u want, believe what u want but there is a Gay Agenda going on not just in hip hop in society all together

lol @ actual faggot, I knew yall niggas was trolling when yall joke about Tune being gay

@bcotton5 ive said numerous times ive been a fan since BGz True Story and HBs Get it How U Live its just his transition threw the game and how he improved after the fallout and rapidly fell off plus yall Stanery makes everyone come off as a hater because we choose to be opinionated about the situation and choices he's made instead of staying in denial when hes clearly made many bad decisions

Wayne aint never made a bad decision.

Nothing Was The Same Sept 24

 

[lonestarg]

@bcotton5 ur funny

 

[lonestarg]

NNothing was Changed Sep 25

 

[Muhannad]

luther didn't write his own music and if he did it was rare.

Hip Hop was a masculine expression born out of the issues that plagued the black community in the late 60's.

since gay rights and black peoples rights are now lumped up in the same category (which is asinine, imagine if people who smoked cigarettes where marginalized in some form due to the fact they smoke, that would be In line with what sometimes happens to gay people, but being black is related to a deep history, culture, art, of great people)

being gay like choosing to smoke cigarettes is a personal preference.

no way should that be lumped up with the black fight against white supremacy.

shame on a nigga.

I agree with the bolded. I didn't like it when that gay basketball player Jason Williams said some bullsh*t about discriminating gays is the same as discriminating blacks. Being attracted to who you're attracted to might not be a choice, BUT acting on it is. Gays can hide their sexuality whille us blacks can't. They need to stop comparing our struggle to theirs. It wild disrespectful.

i think people take the whole comparison to blacks the wrong way.. if I got a gay relative and he is hated and mistreated because of his sexual orientation and he was born that way then then he is being discriminated against wrongly my nig.... wrong is wrong I hear bitches rap about eating pussy all the time. If we on this fake moral high horse about gay then that shit wrong too. anyway I can care less because the reality is we done already listened to gay rappers.... Guru, Busta, Diddy, Kanye, they just hiding it. Now if the rappers started rappin about fuckin niggas all day then its a issue but if they rappin like they are now but come out the closet it is what it is.

Wrong = wrong but I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his or her sexuality. I agree with everything else you said though.

While I reject the gay lifestyle from a religious standpoint, I will never discriminate these people. Every adult got free choice and I'm not the one to judge.

@judahxulu... The difference between gays and child molesters, necrophiliacs and skinheads is gays are two consentual adults doing what they want behind closed doors while the ones you're comparing them to hurt other people.

Which doc are you talking about. That doc on Tribe and the rift between Tip and Phife? I didn't get no gay vibe from anything in that doc.

I actually had an uncle who was gay. He had to the island and move to Europe because gays weren't (and still aren't) accepted.

 

[KingFreeman]

I didn't read any posts and I'm sure its been said but talib sounding light.

*leaves thread*

 

[lonestarg]

@ear2dast when the fucc did u join they payroll?? Stic to da H/street military stanning we dont need another 1 of them around here being delusional! Then again u may have found the right home cuz u aint never seemed right n da head anyway

Fk it! Proceed ..

 

[zombie]

luther didn't write his own music and if he did it was rare.

Hip Hop was a masculine expression born out of the issues that plagued the black community in the late 60's.

since gay rights and black peoples rights are now lumped up in the same category (which is asinine, imagine if people who smoked cigarettes where marginalized in some form due to the fact they smoke, that would be In line with what sometimes happens to gay people, but being black is related to a deep history, culture, art, of great people)

being gay like choosing to smoke cigarettes is a personal preference.

no way should that be lumped up with the black fight against white supremacy.

shame on a nigga.

I agree with the bolded. I didn't like it when that gay basketball player Jason Williams said some bullsh*t about discriminating gays is the same as discriminating blacks. Being attracted to who you're attracted to might not be a choice, BUT acting on it is. Gays can hide their sexuality whille us blacks can't. They need to stop comparing our struggle to theirs. It wild disrespectful.

i think people take the whole comparison to blacks the wrong way.. if I got a gay relative and he is hated and mistreated because of his sexual orientation and he was born that way then then he is being discriminated against wrongly my nig.... wrong is wrong I hear bitches rap about eating pussy all the time. If we on this fake moral high horse about gay then that shit wrong too. anyway I can care less because the reality is we done already listened to gay rappers.... Guru, Busta, Diddy, Kanye, they just hiding it. Now if the rappers started rappin about fuckin niggas all day then its a issue but if they rappin like they are now but come out the closet it is what it is.

Wrong = wrong but I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his or her sexuality. I agree with everything else you said though.

While I reject the gay lifestyle from a religious standpoint, I will never discriminate these people. Every adult got free choice and I'm not the one to judge.

@judahxulu... The difference between gays and child molesters, necrophiliacs and skinheads is gays are two consentual adults doing what they want behind closed doors while the ones you're comparing them to hurt other people.

Which doc are you talking about. That doc on Tribe and the rift between Tip and Phife? I didn't get no gay vibe from anything in that doc.

I actually had an uncle who was gay. He had to the island and move to Europe because gays weren't (and still aren't) accepted.

why don't you stand up and choose and pick a moral position how can you reject the gay lifestyle from a religious standpoint but not from a complete standpoint that does not make any sense. and people need to stop spreading rumors there is no proof guru,dre or busta are gay.

let me ask you again do you want aHomo sexuality associated with Islam? if the answer is No then you should know how people feel about it in hip hop. and just because to consentual adults do something doesn't make it right.

but you have a gay uncle so maybe you're just biased

 

[judahxulu]

luther didn't write his own music and if he did it was rare.

Hip Hop was a masculine expression born out of the issues that plagued the black community in the late 60's.

since gay rights and black peoples rights are now lumped up in the same category (which is asinine, imagine if people who smoked cigarettes where marginalized in some form due to the fact they smoke, that would be In line with what sometimes happens to gay people, but being black is related to a deep history, culture, art, of great people)

being gay like choosing to smoke cigarettes is a personal preference.

no way should that be lumped up with the black fight against white supremacy.

shame on a nigga.

I agree with the bolded. I didn't like it when that gay basketball player Jason Williams said some bullsh*t about discriminating gays is the same as discriminating blacks. Being attracted to who you're attracted to might not be a choice, BUT acting on it is. Gays can hide their sexuality whille us blacks can't. They need to stop comparing our struggle to theirs. It wild disrespectful.

i think people take the whole comparison to blacks the wrong way.. if I got a gay relative and he is hated and mistreated because of his sexual orientation and he was born that way then then he is being discriminated against wrongly my nig.... wrong is wrong I hear bitches rap about eating pussy all the time. If we on this fake moral high horse about gay then that shit wrong too. anyway I can care less because the reality is we done already listened to gay rappers.... Guru, Busta, Diddy, Kanye, they just hiding it. Now if the rappers started rappin about fuckin niggas all day then its a issue but if they rappin like they are now but come out the closet it is what it is.

Wrong = wrong but I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his or her sexuality. I agree with everything else you said though.

While I reject the gay lifestyle from a religious standpoint, I will never discriminate these people. Every adult got free choice and I'm not the one to judge.

@judahxulu... The difference between gays and child molesters, necrophiliacs and skinheads is gays are two consentual adults doing what they want behind closed doors while the ones you're comparing them to hurt other people.

Which doc are you talking about. That doc on Tribe and the rift between Tip and Phife? I didn't get no gay vibe from anything in that doc.

I actually had an uncle who was gay. He had to the island and move to Europe because gays weren't (and still aren't) accepted.

ok..just to neutralize your first fallacy, lets strike the cho mo rapper off the list. the necro is fucking a dead body; cant hurt a dead body- it consents by default. a skinhead is in league with other consenting skinheads. but what if their skills were tight, son? what if they had the dopest punches and flows? would you fuck with his music? using your earlier logic, their lifestyle shuld have nothing to do with their music... so would you listen to a neo-nazi corpse cuddler, nigga?

 

[Muhannad]

I thought I already explained my stance on homosexuality to you. I don't wanna bring my religion into this becdause the thread ain't about that but you forcing me to give you that work again. Before I start you should understand that my religion (=way of life) and a genre of music (=entertainment) are incomparable.

I already explained to you that from a religious standpoint I have to reject the gay lifestyle. While I reject that lifestyle from a religious standpoint, you won't see me verbally or physically attacking gay people because they made their choice. What two consentual adults do is their free choice. The only thing I can do is make da'3wa (invite to gainful knowledge about the religion), but at the end of the day people are gonna do what they want. I also have to reject people who commit zina (adultary, engaging in extramarital sex) from a religious standpoint. I don't go around attacking adultarors because my religion forbids it. While I make my salaat (prayers) on time, make sawm (fasting) during ramadaan and sunnah atleast once a month on mondays and thursdays during the year, give zakaat (give alms) and plan on making haj (pilgrimage) etc. I have committed sins like engaging in extramarital sex so I'm not in a position to judge. This goes for most muslims living in western countries BTW. You see where I'm going with this?

Matter of fact, from a religious standpoint I'm commiting a sin everytime I listen to music (music = instrument from Iblis/ devil).

You can't compare religion to music. Only time those two could be intertwined is maybe reggae and the Rastafari 'religion' and even then it's hard since you have different factions in the rasta movement (bobo shanti rast etc.).

I was explaining to my boy @aneed123 that while wrong might be wrong, being a practising gay is a choice while being black isn't. I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his sexuality. That's why I brought up my uncle. When he came out he had to leave the island because that lifestyle wasn't accepted (and still isn't).

That sh*t about me being biased because I had (he died in the 90ties) a gay family member doesn't make much sense. Studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay. That means every family, including yours, got gays in it.

 

[A1000MILES]

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

 

[zombie]

I thought I already explained my stance on homosexuality to you. I don't wanna bring my religion into this becdause the thread ain't about that but you forcing me to give you that work again. Before I start you should understand that my religion (=way of life) and a genre of music (=entertainment) are incomparable.

I already explained to you that from a religious standpoint I have to reject the gay lifestyle. While I reject that lifestyle from a religious standpoint, you won't see me verbally or physically attacking gay people because they made their choice. What two consentual adults do is their free choice. The only thing I can do is make da'3wa (invite to gainful knowledge about the religion), but at the end of the day people are gonna do what they want. I also have to reject people who commit zina (adultary, engaging in extramarital sex) from a religious standpoint. I don't go around attacking adultarors because my religion forbids it. While I make my salaat (prayers) on time, make sawm (fasting) during ramadaan and sunnah atleast once a month on mondays and fridays during the year, give zakaat (give alms) and plan on making haj (pilgrimage) etc. I have committed sins like engaging in extramarital sex so I'm not in a position to judge. This goes for most muslims living in western countries BTW. You see where I'm going with this?

Matter of fact, from a religious standpoint I'm commiting a sin everytime I listen to music (music = instrument from Iblis/ devil).

You can't compare religion to music. Only time those two could be intertwined is maybe reggae and the Rastafari 'religion' and even then it's hard since you have different factions in the rasta movement (bobo shanti rast etc.).

I was explaining to my boy @aneed123 that while wrong might be wrong, being a practising gay is a choice while being black isn't. I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his sexuality. That's why I brought up my uncle. When he came out he had to leave the island because that lifestyle wasn't accepted (and still isn't).

That sh*t about me being biased because I had (he died in the 90ties) a gay family member doesn't make much sense. Studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay. That means every family, including yours, got gays in it.

the concept is the same islam or hiphop , you don't want something you love to be corrupted I'm not interested in anY extra information given about Islam all of that was the relevant.

you are supporting the spread of homosexuality in hip hop music no matter what excuse you come up with. And those studies are bullshit

 

[zombie]

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

the truth is that so many of you motherfuckers are morally compromised or are in line with the mainstreaming of homosexuality

 

[Muhannad]

@A1000MILES I think it's a maturity thing.

Some of these guys on here act like if you don't verbally attack gays and 'shun' them you're in the wrong. Like if I would have posted something juvenile like "f*ck these faggots, they need to stay away from hip hop" the same ones that wacked and nosigned my posts in this thread would co-sign me. They act like hip hop is this 'gay free' genre while it's not. Look how silly they sound. Hollywood and the entertainment industry as a whole is ran by Jews and gays, but somehow hip hop is exempt because the rappers (=workers) aren't coming out saying they're gay. Like these blacks own distribution and media outlets and such.

Besides that they should do the math ad realize that if 1 out of 10 men are gay, chances are they have listened to a gay rapper.

Rappers have released joints on labels ran by (openly) gay men like Geffen. Rappers have endorsed labels made by gay designers without these gays asking them to do so or compensating them. Pac was cool with Versace and got free clothes from him, did photoshoots and attented fashion shows. This happened in the mid nineties. Biggie endorsed these gay namebrand n*ggas in his rhymes and I wonder if he got anything in return initially. Clive Davis 'came out' recently and guess who 'mentored' Puffy? Did these guys on here not rock with rappers many consider the GOATS like Pac, Big, or anyone associated with Puffy or Geffen etc?

Gays been had an influence in the genre. People wanna create this fantasy world for themselves but like I already stated they need to grow up. Can't believe some of these dudes are actually grown when their reasoning is childish and silly.

 

[nujerz84]

Didnt read/listen/watch.. I would never listen to openly gay rapper.. If mc/rappers I'm a fan of comes out the closet or gets exposed legitimatly as a homo his shit goes in the trash.

 

[Muhannad]

First off I had to edit that friday fasting into thursday because Friday was on my mind because I just came back from Jumua (Friday prayer).

I thought I already explained my stance on homosexuality to you. I don't wanna bring my religion into this becdause the thread ain't about that but you forcing me to give you that work again. Before I start you should understand that my religion (=way of life) and a genre of music (=entertainment) are incomparable.

I already explained to you that from a religious standpoint I have to reject the gay lifestyle. While I reject that lifestyle from a religious standpoint, you won't see me verbally or physically attacking gay people because they made their choice. What two consentual adults do is their free choice. The only thing I can do is make da'3wa (invite to gainful knowledge about the religion), but at the end of the day people are gonna do what they want. I also have to reject people who commit zina (adultary, engaging in extramarital sex) from a religious standpoint. I don't go around attacking adultarors because my religion forbids it. While I make my salaat (prayers) on time, make sawm (fasting) during ramadaan and sunnah atleast once a month on mondays and fridays during the year, give zakaat (give alms) and plan on making haj (pilgrimage) etc. I have committed sins like engaging in extramarital sex so I'm not in a position to judge. This goes for most muslims living in western countries BTW. You see where I'm going with this?

Matter of fact, from a religious standpoint I'm commiting a sin everytime I listen to music (music = instrument from Iblis/ devil).

You can't compare religion to music. Only time those two could be intertwined is maybe reggae and the Rastafari 'religion' and even then it's hard since you have different factions in the rasta movement (bobo shanti rast etc.).

I was explaining to my boy @aneed123 that while wrong might be wrong, being a practising gay is a choice while being black isn't. I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his sexuality. That's why I brought up my uncle. When he came out he had to leave the island because that lifestyle wasn't accepted (and still isn't).

That sh*t about me being biased because I had (he died in the 90ties) a gay family member doesn't make much sense. Studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay. That means every family, including yours, got gays in it.

the concept is the same islam or hiphop , you don't want something you love to be corrupted I'm not interested in anY extra information given about Islam all of that was the relevant.

you are supporting the spread of homosexuality in hip hop music no matter what excuse you come up with. And those studies are bullshit

It's not the same, since religion is a way of life and music is just entertainment. I shouldn't have to explain that to a grown man (c'mon sun). You're rejecting facts to support your warped view on something now? This is what it came to? Gays already have an influence in hip hop dating back to 2 decades ago and even earlier (check my previous post and wack it if it makes you feel better IDGAF).

No disrespect but how old are you? It's like I'm debating a adolescent (again no disrespect). I'm done replying to you in this thread until I see your arguments start getting stronger. Step it up (constructive criticism and no diss).

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

the truth is that so many of you motherfuckers are morally compromised or are in line with the mainstreaming of homosexuality

WTF? Step your reading comprehension all the way up too.

 

[zombie]

@A1000MILES I think it's a maturity thing.

Some of these guys on here act like if you don't verbally attack gays and 'shun' them you're in the wrong. Like if I would have posted something juvenile like "f*ck these faggots, they need to stay away from hip hop" the same ones that wacked and nosigned my posts in this thread would co-sign me. They act like hip hop is this 'gay free' genre while it's not. Look how silly they sound. Hollywood and the entertainment industry as a whole is ran by Jews and gays, but somehow hip hop is exempt because the rappers (=workers) aren't coming out saying their gay. Like these blacks own distribution and media outlets and such.

Besides that they should do the math ad realize that if 1 out of 10 men are gay, chances are they have listened to a gay rapper.

Rappers have released joints on labels ran by (openly) gay men like Geffen. Rappers have endorsed labels made by gay designers without these gays asking them to do so or compensating them. Pac was cool with Versace and got free clothes from him, did photoshoots and attented fashion shows. This happened in the mid nineties. Biggie endorsed these gay namebrand n*ggas in his rhymes and I wonder if he got anything in return initially. Clive Davis 'came out' recently and guess who 'mentored' Puffy? Did these guys on here not rock with rappers many consider the GOATS like Pac, Big, or anyone associated with Puffy or Geffen etc?

Gays been had an influence in the genre. People wanna create this fantasy world for themselves but like I already stated they need to grow up. Can't believe some of these dudes are actually grown when their reasoning is childish and silly.

In 2013 its mature to support homosexuality what a load of garbage. the art in hip hop has never supported homosexuality it's not part of the culture. what the industry does is a whole nother matter. and that one out of ten statistic is bullshit

 

[zombie]

First off I had to edit that friday fasting into thursday because Friday was on my mind because I just came back from Jumua (Friday prayer).

I thought I already explained my stance on homosexuality to you. I don't wanna bring my religion into this becdause the thread ain't about that but you forcing me to give you that work again. Before I start you should understand that my religion (=way of life) and a genre of music (=entertainment) are incomparable.

I already explained to you that from a religious standpoint I have to reject the gay lifestyle. While I reject that lifestyle from a religious standpoint, you won't see me verbally or physically attacking gay people because they made their choice. What two consentual adults do is their free choice. The only thing I can do is make da'3wa (invite to gainful knowledge about the religion), but at the end of the day people are gonna do what they want. I also have to reject people who commit zina (adultary, engaging in extramarital sex) from a religious standpoint. I don't go around attacking adultarors because my religion forbids it. While I make my salaat (prayers) on time, make sawm (fasting) during ramadaan and sunnah atleast once a month on mondays and fridays during the year, give zakaat (give alms) and plan on making haj (pilgrimage) etc. I have committed sins like engaging in extramarital sex so I'm not in a position to judge. This goes for most muslims living in western countries BTW. You see where I'm going with this?

Matter of fact, from a religious standpoint I'm commiting a sin everytime I listen to music (music = instrument from Iblis/ devil).

You can't compare religion to music. Only time those two could be intertwined is maybe reggae and the Rastafari 'religion' and even then it's hard since you have different factions in the rasta movement (bobo shanti rast etc.).

I was explaining to my boy @aneed123 that while wrong might be wrong, being a practising gay is a choice while being black isn't. I can't hide my blackness while a gay can hide his sexuality. That's why I brought up my uncle. When he came out he had to leave the island because that lifestyle wasn't accepted (and still isn't).

That sh*t about me being biased because I had (he died in the 90ties) a gay family member doesn't make much sense. Studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay. That means every family, including yours, got gays in it.

the concept is the same islam or hiphop , you don't want something you love to be corrupted I'm not interested in anY extra information given about Islam all of that was the relevant.

you are supporting the spread of homosexuality in hip hop music no matter what excuse you come up with. And those studies are bullshit

It's not the same, since religion is a way of life and music is just entertainment. I shouldn't have to explain that to a grown man (c'mon sun). You're rejecting facts to support your warped view on something now? This is what it came to? Gays already have an influence in hip hop dating back to 2 decades ago and even earlier (check my previous post and wack it if it makes you feel better IDGAF).

No disrespect but how old are you? It's like I'm debating a adolescent (again no disrespect). I'm done replying to you in this thread until I see your arguments start getting stronger. Step it up (constructive criticism and no diss).

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

the truth is that so many of you motherfuckers are morally compromised or are in line with the mainstreaming of homosexuality

WTF? Step your reading comprehension all the way up too.

I am reading between the lines of everything you say and it sounds to me like have no problem with homosexuality in hip hop. and you keep bringing up this myth of secret faggots in hip hop but you have no proof.

listen I'm 31 I'm not impressed with you or the excuses you're making for homosexuality trying to squeeze its way into hip hop, the concept is the same hip hop or Islam you don't want something you love being corrupted and missrepresented. you don't want hip hop and Islam to be compared but the fact remains that some people love hip hop much the same way you.love Islam

 

[judahxulu]

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

the truth is that so many of you motherfuckers are morally compromised or are in line with the mainstreaming of homosexuality

you starting to put together some pieces that explain why i think its best to seperate hip-hop culture totally from the values of western culture and give light to its actual function in its inception. my research indicates it wasnt to campaign for faggotry or proliferate all the other self-genocide inducing fuckery that industrialized crap rap does.. hip-hop supposed to our secret society with some fucking rules.. that shit aint for any mufucka just because they like it or wanna "be down"... fuck that. thats how all this bullshit got in the game..no rules and no enforcers

 

[A1000MILES]

@zombie

Lol...Nigga...You are Jamaican...I am Nigerian...I fully understand your stance against gay...However...The fact is...When hip hop started...In your city...A lot of the folk who took interest/funded money/danced in clubs/shot videos/promoted artists/etc...Were gay as fuck...These were people who were literally just coming out of the disco era...People who prior to hip hop had no problem snorting a line and fucking someone of the same gender...Point blank...Gays been in this culture from the jump...They haven't been at the forefront, but they've been in it, and there's no debating that...Thus culture represents a gambit of dialects/attitudes/ideas...But the main one is courageous self expression...