Talib Kweli speaks out about homosexuality in hip-hop

[Muhannad]

I am reading between the lines of everything you say and it sounds to me like have no problem with homosexuality in hip hop. and you keep bringing up this myth of secret faggots in hip hop but you have no proof.

listen I'm 31 I'm not impressed with you or the excuses you're making for homosexuality trying to squeeze its way into hip hop, the concept is the same hip hop or Islam you don't want something you love being corrupted and missrepresented. you don't want hip hop and Islam to be compared but the fact remains that some people love hip hop much the same way you.love Islam

So rappers haven't released albums on Geffen? Geffen isn't openly homosexual now? Diddy wasn't mentored by Clive Davis who recently came out? Rappers haven't endorsed products made by "faggots"? That LBGT community along with the Jews run the entertainment business but somehow hip hop stayed clear of that eventhough I gave you mad factual examples stating otherwise?

Studies show that 1 out of 10 men are gay. If you do the math some rappers, mainstream or underground, have to be gay. They're on a don't ask don't tell policy and/ or keep it to themselves because the fans donot wanna hear that (me neither) but we don't know what these guys do behind closed doors nor should we care (IMO).

Everything stated above were factual, whether you wanna accept them or not.

I hate to keep bringing religion into this but you guys force me to do. Eventhough we got innovators and deviates claiming to be muslims, Islam is hard to be corrupted because the foundation is solid. Muslims follow the scriptures (like the Quran) and the sunnah (examples set by the Prophet and the companions). The Quran hasn't been rewritten like the bible has (I hate to go here but you made me do it).

Again, Islam is a way of life while music is just entertainment. While someone might love a genre of music like hip hop it's not like they feel anything they do to hip hop has any bearing over them in the afterlife. People don't see hip hop as a god that needs to be obeyed like with religion. If they do they need to get their heads checked.

Your name sounds like you're one of them 'Hebrew Israelites'. If that's so you should know music is incomparable to religion.

 

[Muhannad]

I like how niggas skippin over the truth in this thread...

the truth is that so many of you motherfuckers are morally compromised or are in line with the mainstreaming of homosexuality

you starting to put together some pieces that explain why i think its best to seperate hip-hop culture totally from the values of western culture and give light to its actual function in its inception. my research indicates it wasnt to campaign for faggotry or proliferate all the other self-genocide inducing fuckery that industrialized crap rap does.. hip-hop supposed to our secret society with some fucking rules.. that shit aint for any mufucka just because they like it or wanna "be down"... fuck that. thats how all this bullshit got in the game..no rules and no enforcers

What distribution outlets do the originators/ black people own? What media outlets do the originators/ black people own? Are the rappers in control of the images they put out? Can they say what they want? Who's calling the shots? Who are the execs and who are the workers? Ask yourself these questions before you wanna talk. Blacks don't control sh*t and I hate it. They will rearrange this genre like they did to any other genre that blacks originated. Check my posts in that Macklemore thread for more information.

 

[zombie]

People are confusing hiphop with the music industry. is clive davis a rapper ? No. Are the owners of geffen rappers of rappers? no. So therefore the argument that because rap music is distributed by homosexuals, homosexuals have always had a part in the arts of hiphop is a lie. also the argument that because certain rap artist buy clothing designed by gays then that means they support homosexuality being incorporated into the norms of hip-hop is also a stupid argument. You cannot compare a religion in it's totality to music but you can compare the love and interest people feel for religion to the love and interest they have for music. The concept is the same.

unscientific stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, where is the proof.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ISLAM THE QURAN ITSELF CAN BE CONSIDERED A REWRITE OF EARLIER TEACHINGS.

 

[zombie]

@zombie

Lol...Nigga...You are Jamaican...I am Nigerian...I fully understand your stance against gay...However...The fact is...When hip hop started...In your city...A lot of the folk who took interest/funded money/danced in clubs/shot videos/promoted artists/etc...Were gay as fuck...These were people who were literally just coming out of the disco era...People who prior to hip hop had no problem snorting a line and fucking someone of the same gender...Point blank...Gays been in this culture from the jump...They haven't been at the forefront, but they've been in it, and there's no debating that...Thus culture represents a gambit of dialects/attitudes/ideas...But the main one is courageous self expression...

@ the bolded That does not mean that the culture or art supports homosexuality or ever did. Do you have any proof that that the early artist were fags? No. The first hip-hop parties and functions were funded by regular people from the block deejays went to block parties and jams in the parks and played the music. There was a period were rappers dressed disco but that was it, there is no proof that they supported this homosexuality bullshit.

One of the reasons why hiphop started was because faggots during the disco in nyc would not let regular and street guys into some of the clubs. So we made and played our own music.

 

[Muhannad]

People are confusing hiphop with the music industry. is clive davis a rapper ? No. Are the owners of geffen rappers of rappers? no. So therefore the argument that because rap music is distributed by homosexuals, homosexuals have always had a part in the arts of hiphop is a lie. also the argument that because certain rap artist buy clothing designed by gays then that means they support homosexuality being incorporated into the norms of hip-hop is also a stupid argument. You cannot compare a religion in it's totality to music but you can compare the love and interest people feel for religion to the love and interest they have for music. The concept is the same.

unscientific stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, where is the proof.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ISLAM THE QURAN ITSELF CAN BE CONSIDERED A REWRITE OF EARLIER TEACHINGS.

This post is slightly better than the previous ones in this thread. Appreciate that.

Some of the guys pulling the strings were and are gay. You and that derelict cat made it seem like hip hop was devoid of any gay influence. I gave you guys alot of examples on how gays have had input. Exec = employer, artist = worker. Which one has more influence?

You were one of the main ones saying you would boycot any rapper associated with anything gay since it doesn't beloing in hip hop (I'm paraphrasing). If you'd be consistent with it you'd boycott rappers like Big, Pac, rappers associated with Clive Davis, Geffen etc.

I said it before but if studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay, why would rappers be exempt just because they keep what they do behind closed doors to themselves? I can post these studies and if you say these studies should be taken "with a grain of salt" post something that counters the outcome of those studies. It isn't untrue just because you say it's not.

I don't know who misinformed you about Islam but there's is only one Islam. Only ahl as sunnah are muslim. Anything else is a deviation. We have four schools (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i & Hanafi) of thought based on the teachings of four scholars those schools are named after.

Islam can't be considered a rewrite from past religions, but I'm not gonna go into that since I don't wanna take the thread off topic.

 

[judahxulu]

I am reading between the lines of everything you say and it sounds to me like have no problem with homosexuality in hip hop. and you keep bringing up this myth of secret faggots in hip hop but you have no proof.

listen I'm 31 I'm not impressed with you or the excuses you're making for homosexuality trying to squeeze its way into hip hop, the concept is the same hip hop or Islam you don't want something you love being corrupted and missrepresented. you don't want hip hop and Islam to be compared but the fact remains that some people love hip hop much the same way you.love Islam

So rappers haven't released albums on Geffen? Geffen isn't openly homosexual now? Diddy wasn't mentored by Clive Davis who recently came out? Rappers haven't endorsed products made by "faggots"? That LBGT community along with the Jews run the entertainment business but somehow hip hop stayed clear of that eventhough I gave you mad factual examples stating otherwise?

Studies show that 1 out of 10 men are gay. If you do the math some rappers, mainstream or underground, have to be gay. They're on a don't ask don't tell policy and/ or keep it to themselves because the fans donot wanna hear that (me neither) but we don't know what these guys do behind closed doors nor should we care (IMO).

Everything stated above were factual, whether you wanna accept them or not.

I hate to keep bringing religion into this but you guys force me to do. Eventhough we got innovators and deviates claiming to be muslims, Islam is hard to be corrupted because the foundation is solid. Muslims follow the scriptures (like the Quran) and the sunnah (examples set by the Prophet and the companions). The Quran hasn't been rewritten like the bible has (I hate to go here but you made me do it).

Again, Islam is a way of life while music is just entertainment. While someone might love a genre of music like hip hop it's not like they feel anything they do to hip hop has any bearing over them in the afterlife. People don't see hip hop as a god that needs to be obeyed like with religion. If they do they need to get their heads checked.

Your name sounds like you're one of them 'Hebrew Israelites'. If that's so you should know music is incomparable to religion.

nigga please... youre equating the industry with what hip-hop is or isnt. u aint qualified to have this conversation due to your level of ignorance.... fuck does geffen and diddy gotta do with hip-hop BESIDES help fuck it up??

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

smh dese grown ass young actin ass niggas...

 

[zombie]

People are confusing hiphop with the music industry. is clive davis a rapper ? No. Are the owners of geffen rappers of rappers? no. So therefore the argument that because rap music is distributed by homosexuals, homosexuals have always had a part in the arts of hiphop is a lie. also the argument that because certain rap artist buy clothing designed by gays then that means they support homosexuality being incorporated into the norms of hip-hop is also a stupid argument. You cannot compare a religion in it's totality to music but you can compare the love and interest people feel for religion to the love and interest they have for music. The concept is the same.

unscientific stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, where is the proof.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ISLAM THE QURAN ITSELF CAN BE CONSIDERED A REWRITE OF EARLIER TEACHINGS.

This post is slightly better than the previous ones in this thread. Appreciate that.

Some of the guys pulling the strings were and are gay. You and that derelict cat made it seem like hip hop was devoid of any gay influence. I gave you guys alot of examples on how gays have had input. Exec = employer, artist = worker. Which one has more influence?

You were one of the main ones saying you would boycot any rapper associated with anything gay since it doesn't beloing in hip hop (I'm paraphrasing). If you'd be consistent with it you'd boycott rappers like Big, Pac, rappers associated with Clive Davis, Geffen etc.

I said it before but if studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay, why would rappers be exempt just because they keep what they do behind closed doors to themselves? I can post these studies and if you say these studies should be taken "with a grain of salt" post something that counters the outcome of those studies. It isn't untrue just because you say it's not.

I don't know who misinformed you about Islam but there's is only one Islam. Only ahl as sunnah are muslim. Anything else is a deviation. We have four schools (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i & Hanafi) of thought based on the teachings of four scholars those schools are named after.

Islam can't be considered a rewrite from past religions, but I'm not gonna go into that since I don't wanna take the thread off topic.

The shia disagree with you.

what studies ? who conducted these studies? and who did they question. the people who create the music the art create the culture not some fucking exce that is true now but it was especially the true at the beginning of hip-hop. CLIVE DAVIS wrote no raps for big or pac so you have no argument

 

[A$AP_A$TON]

Wait, Guru was gay? WTF

 

[BelovedAfeni]

the only reason the powers are pushing homosexuality is to further divide and conquer

plus its population control

and another attack on masculinity in african americans

queen takes ur king

 

[Muhannad]

I am reading between the lines of everything you say and it sounds to me like have no problem with homosexuality in hip hop. and you keep bringing up this myth of secret faggots in hip hop but you have no proof.

listen I'm 31 I'm not impressed with you or the excuses you're making for homosexuality trying to squeeze its way into hip hop, the concept is the same hip hop or Islam you don't want something you love being corrupted and missrepresented. you don't want hip hop and Islam to be compared but the fact remains that some people love hip hop much the same way you.love Islam

So rappers haven't released albums on Geffen? Geffen isn't openly homosexual now? Diddy wasn't mentored by Clive Davis who recently came out? Rappers haven't endorsed products made by "faggots"? That LBGT community along with the Jews run the entertainment business but somehow hip hop stayed clear of that eventhough I gave you mad factual examples stating otherwise?

Studies show that 1 out of 10 men are gay. If you do the math some rappers, mainstream or underground, have to be gay. They're on a don't ask don't tell policy and/ or keep it to themselves because the fans donot wanna hear that (me neither) but we don't know what these guys do behind closed doors nor should we care (IMO).

Everything stated above were factual, whether you wanna accept them or not.

I hate to keep bringing religion into this but you guys force me to do. Eventhough we got innovators and deviates claiming to be muslims, Islam is hard to be corrupted because the foundation is solid. Muslims follow the scriptures (like the Quran) and the sunnah (examples set by the Prophet and the companions). The Quran hasn't been rewritten like the bible has (I hate to go here but you made me do it).

Again, Islam is a way of life while music is just entertainment. While someone might love a genre of music like hip hop it's not like they feel anything they do to hip hop has any bearing over them in the afterlife. People don't see hip hop as a god that needs to be obeyed like with religion. If they do they need to get their heads checked.

Your name sounds like you're one of them 'Hebrew Israelites'. If that's so you should know music is incomparable to religion.

nigga please... youre equating the industry with what hip-hop is or isnt. u aint qualified to have this conversation due to your level of ignorance.... fuck does geffen and diddy gotta do with hip-hop BESIDES help fuck it up??

You're throwing in the towel because you been getting that work and ran out of arguments. Understandable. Let's agree to disagree on this one ...

How was this ether @young_reezy?

 

[Muhannad]

People are confusing hiphop with the music industry. is clive davis a rapper ? No. Are the owners of geffen rappers of rappers? no. So therefore the argument that because rap music is distributed by homosexuals, homosexuals have always had a part in the arts of hiphop is a lie. also the argument that because certain rap artist buy clothing designed by gays then that means they support homosexuality being incorporated into the norms of hip-hop is also a stupid argument. You cannot compare a religion in it's totality to music but you can compare the love and interest people feel for religion to the love and interest they have for music. The concept is the same.

unscientific stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, where is the proof.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ISLAM THE QURAN ITSELF CAN BE CONSIDERED A REWRITE OF EARLIER TEACHINGS.

This post is slightly better than the previous ones in this thread. Appreciate that.

Some of the guys pulling the strings were and are gay. You and that derelict cat made it seem like hip hop was devoid of any gay influence. I gave you guys alot of examples on how gays have had input. Exec = employer, artist = worker. Which one has more influence?

You were one of the main ones saying you would boycot any rapper associated with anything gay since it doesn't beloing in hip hop (I'm paraphrasing). If you'd be consistent with it you'd boycott rappers like Big, Pac, rappers associated with Clive Davis, Geffen etc.

I said it before but if studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay, why would rappers be exempt just because they keep what they do behind closed doors to themselves? I can post these studies and if you say these studies should be taken "with a grain of salt" post something that counters the outcome of those studies. It isn't untrue just because you say it's not.

I don't know who misinformed you about Islam but there's is only one Islam. Only ahl as sunnah are muslim. Anything else is a deviation. We have four schools (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i & Hanafi) of thought based on the teachings of four scholars those schools are named after.

Islam can't be considered a rewrite from past religions, but I'm not gonna go into that since I don't wanna take the thread off topic.

The shia disagree with you.

what studies ? who conducted these studies? and who did they question. the people who create the music the art create the culture not some fucking exce that is true now but it was especially the true at the beginning of hip-hop. CLIVE DAVIS wrote no raps for big or pac so you have no argument

Shi'a ain't muslim. Their sect was started by a Jew but that's not what the thread was about...

These gay execs wrote these rappers' checks, controlled what these rappers could or couldn't put out and controlled the image of these rappers/ their employees. They had and have influence but according to you and that derelict black Hebrew a*s n*gga I got no argument. Man, I'm done with this. We gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[zombie]

People are confusing hiphop with the music industry. is clive davis a rapper ? No. Are the owners of geffen rappers of rappers? no. So therefore the argument that because rap music is distributed by homosexuals, homosexuals have always had a part in the arts of hiphop is a lie. also the argument that because certain rap artist buy clothing designed by gays then that means they support homosexuality being incorporated into the norms of hip-hop is also a stupid argument. You cannot compare a religion in it's totality to music but you can compare the love and interest people feel for religion to the love and interest they have for music. The concept is the same.

unscientific stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, where is the proof.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ISLAM THE QURAN ITSELF CAN BE CONSIDERED A REWRITE OF EARLIER TEACHINGS.

This post is slightly better than the previous ones in this thread. Appreciate that.

Some of the guys pulling the strings were and are gay. You and that derelict cat made it seem like hip hop was devoid of any gay influence. I gave you guys alot of examples on how gays have had input. Exec = employer, artist = worker. Which one has more influence?

You were one of the main ones saying you would boycot any rapper associated with anything gay since it doesn't beloing in hip hop (I'm paraphrasing). If you'd be consistent with it you'd boycott rappers like Big, Pac, rappers associated with Clive Davis, Geffen etc.

I said it before but if studies show 1 out of 10 men are gay, why would rappers be exempt just because they keep what they do behind closed doors to themselves? I can post these studies and if you say these studies should be taken "with a grain of salt" post something that counters the outcome of those studies. It isn't untrue just because you say it's not.

I don't know who misinformed you about Islam but there's is only one Islam. Only ahl as sunnah are muslim. Anything else is a deviation. We have four schools (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i & Hanafi) of thought based on the teachings of four scholars those schools are named after.

Islam can't be considered a rewrite from past religions, but I'm not gonna go into that since I don't wanna take the thread off topic.

The shia disagree with you.

what studies ? who conducted these studies? and who did they question. the people who create the music the art create the culture not some fucking exce that is true now but it was especially the true at the beginning of hip-hop. CLIVE DAVIS wrote no raps for big or pac so you have no argument

Shi'a ain't muslim. Their sect was started by a Jew but that's not what the thread was about...



These gay execs wrote these rappers' checks, controlled what these rappers could or couldn't put out and controlled the image of these rappers/ their employees. They had and have influence but according to you and that derelict black Hebrew a*s n*gga I got no argument. Man, I'm done with this. We gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

Once again that has nothing to do with the actual art that has nothing to do with the creation of the culture and it's norms and spirit. Old school Record company excs did not write raps, Run from the argument you run from the thread because you still have no proof that all those people were gay. Does the person who gives you a pay check decide your feelings on sexuality? you also gave no proof that 1 out of 10 men are gay not that it matter if you did it still would not mean that the people who created hip-hop were gay or supported homosexuality.

and the shia are muslims and so are the sufi just because you are sunni that does not mean you get to decide who is a muslim is and who is not. That would be like a catholic saying a protestant is not a christian.