Spinoff: What if WADE was on the 09-10 Cavaliers..

[young chad]

Good read, I figured Id just ass to this with emphasis the fucking starting lineup on the bench in the 4th.... Great example of terrible coaching and still busting ass regardless

Man DAMN..that was perfect..that was my point EXACTLY...you see how the Celts play defense? They use either their SG (Tony Allen mostly in this case because Ray is too old) or their PF (Glen Davis because Garnett is too old)..to DOUBLE TEAM Wade at the perimeter...there are 2 CRUCIAL differences though...Wade handles the ball better in those double teams than Lebron (common sense, he's lower to the ground, its easier to avoid the steal)..and most importantly, The Celts respect D. Wade's mid range game..the only thing in this clip is that 1.) Wade was hitting every 3 lmao 2.) His teammates aren't shooters so passing them the ball wouldnt have helped..they were however open on the switch every time he started driving, you see KG/Glen Davis trying to find Haslem (they lost him more than once just in that clip)..and Rondo and Allen clamoring to make the switch on defense, which kept allowing Wade to step back and hit the 3...

Could you imagine if Wade had Jamison and Mo Williams on the perimeter, in the Bruce Bowen corners (you remember where Bruce Bowen used to stand his entire career lol)..

Just do your history...every, EVERY championship team wins this way..(make them respect the short game, kill them with the long game)..it's what Orlando is doing this year, it's what Boston did when they won, it's what the Lakers do when they win (hence them going to get Gasol)...it's what the Bulls did every championship they won..(hence you knowing the names Steve Kerr, John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper)..

Lebron will not win as the number 1 man on any team unless he 1.) Develops a mid-range game 2.) Gets a coach who takes the ball OUT of his hands and into the PGs hand (and the PG has to be Rondo'esque)

 

[young chad]

Definitely not my favorite player, Wade doesn't do the same thing because he wouldn't guard Pierce......

I think Dude's point was that you're trying to use ignorance to make your case of why replacing Lebron with Wade wouldn't work..you're not replacing them at the same POSITION, only with the same TEAMMATES (bench included)...obviously with D. Wade on the Cavs, he'd be a SG, which means he'd be guarding Ray Allen...you wouldnt be replacing a 6'8" SF with a 6'4" SF, you'd be replacing him with a 6'8" SF (Jamario Moon)

 

[CoolJoe]

I think Dude's point was that you're trying to use ignorance to make your case of why replacing Lebron with Wade wouldn't work..you're not replacing them at the same POSITION, only with the same TEAMMATES (bench included)...obviously with D. Wade on the Cavs, he'd be a SG, which means he'd be guarding Ray Allen...you wouldnt be replacing a 6'8" SF with a 6'4" SF, you'd be replacing him with a 6'8" SF (Jamario Moon)

I realize that.

Like I said though, Pierce was pretty much a non-factor in this series because of LeBron, just looking at the match-ups the Celtics would have their way on the offensive end, Wade would get his, but I highly doubt Wade would make his teammates step up.

 

[young chad]

I realize that.

Like I said though, Pierce was pretty much a non-factor in this series because of LeBron, just looking at the match-ups the Celtics would have their way on the offensive end, Wade would get his, but I highly doubt Wade would make his teammates step up.

So you telling me Jamario Moon wouldnt play sufficient defense on on Pierce? You telling me Delonte can't D-up Rondo? I mean, you're not asking people render great players useless, you're asking them to give them fits..KG and Rondo were the Celts 2 leading scorers in this series because they had to do the least defensively. They got Jamison and Mo Williams to spread the ball and hit open jumpers when Lebron creates for them..but when it came crunch time(game 5 and 6) they went away from that game plan...in game 5 Lebron was 3-14 and didn't SCORE until 6 minutes into the 3rd quarter...and in game 6..he had 9 turnovers, half of which came from him over handling the ball around the perimeter, where Tony Allen and Rondo took the ball from him, or he made horrible passing decisions (court vision). Soooo Tony Allen (with a tad bit of help) can shut down Lebron..but Moon can't d-up Pierce?

 

[yroholla]

I realize that.

Like I said though, Pierce was pretty much a non-factor in this series because of LeBron, just looking at the match-ups the Celtics would have their way on the offensive end, Wade would get his, but I highly doubt Wade would make his teammates step up.

I disagree. Ur overrating Brons defense, Bron was ok on D. Pierce was in foul trouble which took him out of his offensive flow let's not avoid what really happened. Young chad had a point about Moon on him whose not expected to fill it up offensively. Either way nobody can really stop Pierce.

He got his on the Heat and it was still competitive.

 

[young chad]

The problem the Cavs ran into is that their second best defender at the 2/3 position plays the same defense as their best overall player...to me Anthony Parker was a bit of a bust, Jamario Moon is a better overall player (in what the Cavs needed)...I think rather than getting Anthony Parker they should've went for say, a Mike Miller type guy.

The Cavs (Danny Ferry and Mike Brown) spent all year game planning for Orlando because everyone counted Boston out..but you have to prepare your team for 4 solid players incase you get to the Celts, the Cavs didnt do that. The thing about it, it's ok for the fans and Media to count Boston out, but the Cavs shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket and prepared for the Magic..counting out a champion from 2 years ago with the same starting 5 is not what a TEAM is supposed to do, media yes/front office no

 

[CoolJoe]

I disagree. Ur overrating Brons defense, Bron was ok on D. Pierce was in foul trouble which took him out of his offensive flow let's not avoid what really happened. Young chad had a point about Moon on him whose not expected to fill it up offensively. Either way nobody can really stop Pierce.

He got his on the Heat and it was still competitive.

LeBron made him ineffective because Pierce constantly was in foul trouble because he guarded LeBron.

 

[yroholla]

LeBron made him ineffective because Pierce constantly was in foul trouble because he guarded LeBron.

Lol ok agreed. Either way ur asking me to tell u who would guard Pierce. So we both understand that if Pierce wasn't in foul trouble, Pierce would still go off right?

Nobody can really guard Pierce so I'm not sure what ur trying to get at

 

[young chad]

Lol ok agreed. Either way ur asking me to tell u who would guard Pierce. So we both understand that if Pierce wasn't in foul trouble, Pierce would still go off right?

Nobody can really guard Pierce so I'm not sure what ur trying to get at

He has no argument..he's just trying to avoid his brain's meltdown by you forcing him realize Lebron James isnt the end all be all of basketball...

 

[CoolJoe]

He has no argument..he's just trying to avoid his brain's meltdown by you forcing him realize Lebron James isnt the end all be all of basketball...

I've clearly stated my argument in previous posts.

I'm not a LeBron stan, not my favorite player as I previous stated.

I just call bullshit arguments when I see them, just like the other "What if Wade was on the 07-08 Celtics"...shits are fucking dumb.

 

[yroholla]

I've clearly stated my argument in previous posts.

I'm not a LeBron stan, not my favorite player as I previous stated.

I just call bullshit arguments when I see them, just like the other "What if Wade was on the 07-08 Celtics"...shits are fucking dumb.

Lol ur definately a LeBron fan otherwise u wouldn't be so upset.

Be easy my friend I thought the cheap seats was a place to think outside the box and ur getting ur panties in a bunch.

I couldn't help but notice how the Celts held Kobe and LeBron(twice) to bad performances in the playoffs but Wade went in despite collapsing defenses by such a great defensive team and ur annoyed by it?? Really??

 

[maximus preme]

The results would have been the same.

 

[young chad]

I've clearly stated my argument in previous posts.

I'm not a LeBron stan, not my favorite player as I previous stated.

I just call bullshit arguments when I see them, just like the other "What if Wade was on the 07-08 Celtics"...shits are fucking dumb.

What bullshit argument? Simply saying with the way Dwayne Wade plays, he is able to score at will against the Celts, where the way Lebron plays, plays right into the defensive hand of the Celts...AND if Wade plays the Celts better, and Lebron's teammates are better than Wade's..if you combine the two...then the Celts would probably not win. They lost the first 2 outta 3 to the Cavs..they gave away a game to the Heat and only won another game by 2..if Wade had help like the KING has...whoa

 

[jrod44]

Wade is my fav player. With that being said, Wade with Cavs, would at least have been more competitive. I could not see Wade just not completely taking over when the game is 74-70 in Game 6. And he definiitely would have brought it in Game 5.

Plus Wades mom would not have smashed the homie, just bullshittin, i dont think that rumor is fair to lebron, its pretty fucked up people started that shit.

 

[maximus preme]

Wade is my fav player. With that being said, Wade with Cavs, would at least have been more competitive. I could not see Wade just not completely taking over when the game is 74-70 in Game 6. And he definiitely would have brought it in Game 5.

Plus Wades mom would not have smashed the homie, just bullshittin, i dont think that rumor is fair to lebron, its pretty fucked up people started that shit.

what is the rumor?

Anyway the reason the results would be the same is because having D Wade on the team doesn't make up for the match ups that Cleveland couldn't handle. Rondo would still be running wild. They would still have no one to guard garnet. Mo Williams would still be an every other game player who got exposed defensively by who ever he was guarding. D Wade doesn't change the reality that the Celtics were just flat out better than everyone else on the team not named Lebron. Also With D Wade instead of Lebron the Cavs now have no one to guard paul pierce and he would be going off. So yeah the results would be the exact same. The Cavs would still be a one man team and Boston wasn't going to lose to a one man team. Also lets not forget about Lebron's play style. He creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates that they otherwise wouldn't have had. Without him they probably even suck more because Lebron isn't there to set them up.

 

[CoolJoe]

Lol ur definately a LeBron fan otherwise u wouldn't be so upset.

Be easy my friend I thought the cheap seats was a place to think outside the box and ur getting ur panties in a bunch.

I couldn't help but notice how the Celts held Kobe and LeBron(twice) to bad performances in the playoffs but Wade went in despite collapsing defenses by such a great defensive team and ur annoyed by it?? Really??

No one is upset, and yea I'm a LeBron fan, but he's definitely not my favorite player.

I've said all I have to say on the topic though.

 

[jrod44]

what is the rumor?

Anyway the reason the results would be the same is because having D Wade on the team doesn't make up for the match ups that Cleveland couldn't handle. Rondo would still be running wild. They would still have no one to guard garnet. Mo Williams would still be an every other game player who got exposed defensively by who ever he was guarding. D Wade doesn't change the reality that the Celtics were just flat out better than everyone else on the team not named Lebron. Also With D Wade instead of Lebron the Cavs now have no one to guard paul pierce and he would be going off. So yeah the results would be the exact same. The Cavs would still be a one man team and Boston wasn't going to lose to a one man team. Also lets not forget about Lebron's play style. He creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates that they otherwise wouldn't have had. Without him they probably even suck more because Lebron isn't there to set them up.

The rumor is Delonte West smashed Lebrons mom and Lebron found out somewhere around Game 4. Terrible rumor and adds insult to injury.

Wade shot 57% against the C's. I dont know what Lebron shot, but 57% for a guard is crazy, and factor in Boston was doubling Wade, and he was still getting off. So higher % means less bricks, less fast breaks for C's. Means the Cavs in this case could set up half court D and dig in. Plus when your #1 is not hitting his shots, it filters down. Wade averaged around 7-8 assists a game, and could have had 10 a game with some better personnel, his teammates shot somewhere around 35% I think, in the losses. Not a good look. Even the cavs couldnt do that. So Wade could set up teammates just as good as Lebron. Plus Wade has something Lebron doesnt seem to. You know what it is and dont know what it is, at the same time. Kobe got it, Wade got it, Lebron sometimes got something like it but not quite. Plus Wades defense is somewhat underrated. I personally think he is a better defender than Lebron(more blocks and steals two years running).

 

[young chad]

what is the rumor?

Anyway the reason the results would be the same is because having D Wade on the team doesn't make up for the match ups that Cleveland couldn't handle. Rondo would still be running wild. They would still have no one to guard garnet. Mo Williams would still be an every other game player who got exposed defensively by who ever he was guarding. D Wade doesn't change the reality that the Celtics were just flat out better than everyone else on the team not named Lebron. Also With D Wade instead of Lebron the Cavs now have no one to guard paul pierce and he would be going off. So yeah the results would be the exact same. The Cavs would still be a one man team and Boston wasn't going to lose to a one man team. Also lets not forget about Lebron's play style. He creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates that they otherwise wouldn't have had. Without him they probably even suck more because Lebron isn't there to set them up.

The rumor that Delonte was fucking Bron's mom...

I think you would need a better coach, and if you had a better coach you would have Delonte coming in more often to spell Mo, and that would put some defense on Rondo..honestly you don't need someone to shut down Rondo, somewhere there's going to be a miss match, I'd like it to be Rondo since his offense is unproven when he's defended...MOON could guard Pierce and Wade could guard Allen, and when Tony Allen came in, Wade could guard Rondo..

Put it this way, if Wade had a team as good as the Cavs, they'd win a championship...(ask Dallas)

 

[maximus preme]

The rumor is Delonte West smashed Lebrons mom and Lebron found out somewhere around Game 4. Terrible rumor and adds insult to injury.

Wade shot 57% against the C's. I dont know what Lebron shot, but 57% for a guard is crazy, and factor in Boston was doubling Wade, and he was still getting off. So higher % means less bricks, less fast breaks for C's. Means the Cavs in this case could set up half court D and dig in. Plus when your #1 is not hitting his shots, it filters down. Wade averaged around 7-8 assists a game, and could have had 10 a game with some better personnel, his teammates shot somewhere around 35% I think, in the losses. Not a good look. Even the cavs couldnt do that. So Wade could set up teammates just as good as Lebron. Plus Wade has something Lebron doesnt seem to. You know what it is and dont know what it is, at the same time. Kobe got it, Wade got it, Lebron sometimes got something like it but not quite. Plus Wades defense is somewhat underrated. I personally think he is a better defender than Lebron(more blocks and steals two years running).

Wade does have more heart than Bron that's for sure. But Wade can't defend the paint. He isn't going to guard Paul Pierce. He can guard Rondo but then you gonna sleep at night with No Williams (as in no defense) guarding Ray Allen? The fact of the matter is it was just a bad match up for the Cavs and the Celtics exposed them. Just like Orlando exposed the Cavs last year. I'm telling you the results would be the same. It would still be a one man team going up against a cohesive team with multiple legitimate scoring options at every position on the court. D Wade would go off but he went off against the celtics this year and Miami still lost. The Cavs have better players but Boston shut down everyone else not named lebron I don't see how they wouldn't do the same if it was wade instead of Lebron.

 

[jrod44]

Wade does have more heart than Bron that's for sure. But Wade can't defend the paint. He isn't going to guard Paul Pierce. He can guard Rondo but then you gonna sleep at night with No Williams (as in no defense) guarding Ray Allen? The fact of the matter is it was just a bad match up for the Cavs and the Celtics exposed them. Just like Orlando exposed the Cavs last year. I'm telling you the results would be the same. It would still be a one man team going up against a cohesive team with multiple legitimate scoring options at every position on the court. D Wade would go off but he went off against the celtics this year and Miami still lost. The Cavs have better players but Boston shut down everyone else not named lebron I don't see how they wouldn't do the same if it was wade instead of Lebron.

Thats fair. I think what most people like myself are doing is using basic math. Wade and the Heat were more competitive against C'z than Cavs. They were up 14 in 3rd Game 1, they lost Game 3 on a buzzer beater by Pierce(Wade was hurt, terrible coaching not using the foul to give), and was in it for Game 5, till the C's proved too much.

So Wade+better team=Victory. Alot of people also think that Wade would not have allowed himself to lose having a better team, because of his history, like homie stated, ask the Mavs. Biggest moment, down 13 to Mavs, and Wade comes back to win, and averages 40 for the Finals. It was a long time ago but thats how good he was.

But thats fair, C's looked they were not going to lose. Great team, no denying that.