Spinoff: What if WADE was on the 09-10 Cavaliers..

[young chad]

Wade does have more heart than Bron that's for sure. But Wade can't defend the paint. He isn't going to guard Paul Pierce. He can guard Rondo but then you gonna sleep at night with No Williams (as in no defense) guarding Ray Allen? The fact of the matter is it was just a bad match up for the Cavs and the Celtics exposed them. Just like Orlando exposed the Cavs last year. I'm telling you the results would be the same. It would still be a one man team going up against a cohesive team with multiple legitimate scoring options at every position on the court. D Wade would go off but he went off against the celtics this year and Miami still lost. The Cavs have better players but Boston shut down everyone else not named lebron I don't see how they wouldn't do the same if it was wade instead of Lebron.

Dude, I wrote a comprehensive post a cpl pages back..go back and read it..it's page 4 I think..maybe 5

 

[maximus preme]

Thats fair. I think what most people like myself are doing is using basic math. Wade and the Heat were more competitive against C'z than Cavs. They were up 14 in 3rd Game 1, they lost Game 3 on a buzzer beater by Pierce(Wade was hurt, terrible coaching not using the foul to give), and was in it for Game 5, till the C's proved too much.

So Wade+better team=Victory. Alot of people also think that Wade would not have allowed himself to lose having a better team, because of his history, like homie stated, ask the Mavs. Biggest moment, down 13 to Mavs, and Wade comes back to win, and averages 40 for the Finals. It was a long time ago but thats how good he was.

But thats fair, C's looked they were not going to lose. Great team, no denying that.

Its all about match ups come play off time and the match ups are still not in their favor with D Wade instead of Lebron. The match ups might actually be worse with D Wade because Lebron is able to play help defense in the paint. Don't get me wrong I think with D Wade its a better series with not as many blow outs but the Celtics would still have won in 6. The match ups just favor them and with bron gone Paul Pierce gets to run wilde because Moon couldn't guard paul pierce in a phone booth. Lost in the hoopla over Lebron's failure (and it was a huge fail on his part) is the fact that the Celtics were the superior team. Swapping Wade for Lebron doesn't change the fact that the Celtics are the superior team . This lost was bigger than Lebron James. His team was just simply out matched and he needed to average 40 a game for them to win this series. Wade would need to average 40+ a game too with this Cavs team. When your team is out matched like that you need to a super human effort and then some. Lebron didn't do that, didn't even look like he wanted to put forth that effort so he fails but its unfair to say that with another star the cavs would have won. Unless it was Jordan replacing Lebron the Celtics were gonna win that series.

 

[maximus preme]

Dude, I wrote a comprehensive post a cpl pages back..go back and read it..it's page 4 I think..maybe 5

I read it but I think you are completely disregaurding the fact that the Cavs had no one to guard Rando. They tried West, parker, and whoever else they threw at him. They all got cooked. Moon can't guard Paul Pierce for an entire game. They still have no one to stop Garnet. Wade does neutralize Allen but again now Pierce is free to do his thing. I still think the match up heavily favors the celtics. It would be a different dynamic but at the end of the day Garnet, Rondo, and Pierce would be too much for Wade to fend off by himself which is what he would have to do.

 

[yroholla]

I read it but I think you are completely disregaurding the fact that the Cavs had no one to guard Rando. They tried West, parker, and whoever else they threw at him. They all got cooked. Moon can't guard Paul Pierce for an entire game. They still have no one to stop Garnet. Wade does neutralize Allen but again now Pierce is free to do his thing. I still think the match up heavily favors the celtics. It would be a different dynamic but at the end of the day Garnet, Rondo, and Pierce would be too much for Wade to fend off by himself which is what he would have to do.

Yeah the Celtics could have very well been too much for the Cavs if Wade was there but the fact that it was such a competitive 5 game series as funny as that sounds between the Celts and the Heat that if he had more talent around him it would be much different.

U also gotta keep in mind as competitive as Wade made that series, the Heat bench had to hit the court at some point and they were HORRIBLE and I don't think the Cavs bench was as bad.

Even breaking down the matchups with Wade on the Cavs, I believe its still much better than the cast he had on the Heat talentwise. So much of the Celts focus had to have been on Wade and they still couldn't stop him and nobody was guarding Pierce and Allen that well all series and it was still pretty close throughout each game with the exception of the blowout in Boston.

 

[jrod44]

How bout this? Heat with Varajao and Shaq, I think def make it a better series. The big men from Miami gave a historical shitty performance. JO did nothing, absolutely nothing, he was our 2nd option for the 2nd half of year.

 

[DetroitEastWarren]

Its all about match ups come play off time and the match ups are still not in their favor with D Wade instead of Lebron. The match ups might actually be worse with D Wade because Lebron is able to play help defense in the paint. Don't get me wrong I think with D Wade its a better series with not as many blow outs but the Celtics would still have won in 6. The match ups just favor them and with bron gone Paul Pierce gets to run wilde because Moon couldn't guard paul pierce in a phone booth. Lost in the hoopla over Lebron's failure (and it was a huge fail on his part) is the fact that the Celtics were the superior team. Swapping Wade for Lebron doesn't change the fact that the Celtics are the superior team . This lost was bigger than Lebron James. His team was just simply out matched and he needed to average 40 a game for them to win this series. Wade would need to average 40+ a game too with this Cavs team. When your team is out matched like that you need to a super human effort and then some. Lebron didn't do that, didn't even look like he wanted to put forth that effort so he fails but its unfair to say that with another star the cavs would have won. Unless it was Jordan replacing Lebron the Celtics were gonna win that series.

Dude, are you fukkin stupid, ill let you think about that for a minute..........

You do know that D Wade defends the paint better than any guard in NBA history right, you do realize that Bron does not defend the paint at all on defense, are you fukkin serious, I think you need to do some youtubing just to see how D Wade has blocked 7'footers consistantly at the basket, and this is not always help defense, D Wade defends the paint better than any perimeter player I have ever seen, I would like you to find me 1 clip of Bron defending the paint with someone coming towards him, you cant, why, cause Bron only chases from behind, Bron never gets his blocks from in front of anyone, are you fukkin stupid bruh.

You nyggas will say anything to defend Bron, fact is, with a much less talented team, Wade destroyed the Celtics and could have won each game they lost, period, the Cavs were not even competitive in any of their losses, period, please tell me how swapping Wade with Bron would not have helped. Against Miami, not 1 other player played well, everybody was open everytime down the court, and they missed everything, Wade gets to the rack more consistantly than Bron in the half court, Bron cant handle the rock around numerous defenders, Wade woulda been chopping the Celtics D up and dishing the rock to all them shooters on the Cavs, some of you nyggas are dumb as fukk.

 

[maximus preme]

Dude, are you fukkin stupid, ill let you think about that for a minute..........

You do know that D Wade defends the paint better than any guard in NBA history right, you do realize that Bron does not defend the paint at all on defense, are you fukkin serious, I think you need to do some youtubing just to see how D Wade has blocked 7'footers consistantly at the basket, and this is not always help defense, D Wade defends the paint better than any perimeter player I have ever seen, I would like you to find me 1 clip of Bron defending the paint with someone coming towards him, you cant, why, cause Bron only chases from behind, Bron never gets his blocks from in front of anyone, are you fukkin stupid bruh.

You nyggas will say anything to defend Bron, fact is, with a much less talented team, Wade destroyed the Celtics and could have won each game they lost, period, the Cavs were not even competitive in any of their losses, period, please tell me how swapping Wade with Bron would not have helped. Against Miami, not 1 other player played well, everybody was open everytime down the court, and they missed everything, Wade gets to the rack more consistantly than Bron in the half court, Bron cant handle the rock around numerous defenders, Wade woulda been chopping the Celtics D up and dishing the rock to all them shooters on the Cavs, some of you nyggas are dumb as fukk.

You can throw all the insults in the world at me it still doesn't change the fact that the Celtics are the superior team and they are not going to lose to a one man team whether that one man is D Wade or Lebron. If you don't see how the celtics are just flat out better than the Cavs with or without D Wade then I don't know what else to say. All I know is that D Wade isn't going to stop Garnet from getting 20 and 10 and Javario Moon or whatever his name is can't guard Paul Pierce for a full game and even with Wade they still have no one to keep Rando out of the paint. If you can tell me how having Wade on the team solves these issues then maybe you would have a point. Until then you are just talking loud but not saying much of anything.

This has nothing to do with being Lebron stan. It is acknowledging the fact that the Celtics are the better team. Period. Some how this seems to be lost in all this discussion.

 

[john2009]

lebron james is cool...he will be aight...he just going through da same shit every superstar goes through...probably da only superstar who won a championship so quickly was Magic....other than dat...it took shaq from 1992-2000 b4 he won his first championship...if u dont count kobes 3 rings...it took kobe 7 years to WIN his 2009 championshp....look how many time KG was kicked out da first round b4 he finally won...and he had to get traded to join sum other dude...

nothing special about lebron really...if he doesnt get humble though...if he keeps on dancing...and doent cut out all that shit he does with his team...we would be talking bout a 38 year old lebron with only 1-2 rings to his legacy....or maybe like barkely and malone...none at all....

 

[CoolJoe]

You can throw all the insults in the world at me it still doesn't change the fact that the Celtics are the superior team and they are not going to lose to a one man team whether that one man is D Wade or Lebron. If you don't see how the celtics are just flat out better than the Cavs with or without D Wade then I don't know what else to say. All I know is that D Wade isn't going to stop Garnet from getting 20 and 10 and Javario Moon or whatever his name is can't guard Paul Pierce for a full game and even with Wade they still have no one to keep Rando out of the paint. If you can tell me how having Wade on the team solves these issues then maybe you would have a point. Until then you are just talking loud but not saying much of anything.

This has nothing to do with being Lebron stan. It is acknowledging the fact that the Celtics are the better team. Period. Some how this seems to be lost in all this discussion.

Fighting a losing battle, if people don't understand the match up probblems by now then they never will.

 

[yroholla]

Fighting a losing battle, if people don't understand the match up probblems by now then they never will.

I've already stated there would still be matchup problems because nobody can guard Pierce, Rondo, and Ray Allen at the same time. Every team in the league would have a problem with those guys that's not the point. What I don't think ur getting is that given the fact nobody on the Heat could stop them the games were still competitive.

Wade got the most attention on defense cause he was the only threat yet they still couldn't stop him, but if he was bustin their asses while dishing off to Mo Williams instead of Arroyo/Chalmers or to Jaimison and Shaq instead of the undersized Haslem and wack ass Jermaine Oneal I'm quite sure he would have been more successful

 

[john2009]

to Mo Williams instead of Arroyo/Chalmers or to Jaimison and Shaq instead of the undersized Haslem and wack ass Jermaine Oneal I'm quite sure he would have been more successful

no doubt...wade would have won 2 games like lebron team..but if wade was on the cleveland team..he STILL wouldnt win boston..because wade will have mike brown as his coach...and boston ould have definately made the necessary adjustments to close the game in 6

conclusion: if wade was on 09-10 cavs..boston will STILL win in 6 games

 

[Knightryder]

Boston didn't play the same type of game they did against cleveland with miami.......

Boston knew miami wasn't shit so they didn't play hard to defeat them......its so obvious

but when they were up against cleveland they had to step there game up and play to there potential because they knew they were facing a better team......

so stop comparing what wade did against boston, cause if wade had a better team such as cleveland, than Boston would of played at a higher level and still stomp them niggaz

 

[yroholla]

Boston didn't play the same type of game they did against cleveland with miami.......

Boston knew miami wasn't shit so they didn't play hard to defeat them......its so obvious

but when they were up against cleveland they had to step there game up and play to there potential because they knew they were facing a better team......

so stop comparing what wade did against boston, cause if wade had a better team such as cleveland, than Boston would of played at a higher level and still stomp them niggaz

Lol interesting post. It actually wasn't obvious because the Celtics served Miami, id say they stomped them. Id actually argue that they tried to go hard to finish Miami quick to rest those old legs for Cleveland. Either one of us could be right

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Great thread. But yeah @ Maximus argument, I don't think we can say for certain that the Cavs would've won, but I'm pretty damn sure we can all agree that Wade would not allow his team to tank out like that. There is no way he would settle for the triple double and be cool with not changing the tempo of the game. There is no way with 2 mn left in the game he would be passing the ball around JUST to make his teammates feel wanted.

 

[DetroitEastWarren]

Great thread. But yeah @ Maximus argument, I don't think we can say for certain that the Cavs would've won, but I'm pretty damn sure we can all agree that Wade would not allow his team to tank out like that. There is no way he would settle for the triple double and be cool with not changing the tempo of the game. There is no way with 2 mn left in the game he would be passing the ball around JUST to make his teammates feel wanted.

Yeah, thats the point im getting at, I never said Wade would make the Cavs beat the C's, but im 100% sure that he would have dominated every single game wion or loss, so those games where Bron was not aggressive, Wade would have been and when your superstar is having a dominant game there is always a chance to win, 3 of those games Cle did not have a chance to win, feel me.

To prople bringing up the midrange jumper, lets not give D Wade too much credit, that is my fav player and I have not missed a Heat game the last 2 years (league pass), D Wades midrange jumper is gaerbage also, matter of fact, Bron actually has a more sconsistant jumper all around, Wades problem is the fact that he cant get the same release everytime he pulls up, see, Brons formation is terrible, but he gets that same form on every jumper, I have yet to see my nygga D Wade get consistancy with his release, neither of them nyggas are good at the one dribble pull ups.