Some men mistake sexual interest for consent,

[Shuffington]

But these hoes turn around and call you lame for not being aggressive enough

Someone calls you lame for actually trying to take the time to see what she likes and is cool with...take it as a red flag and keep it pushing

You're right....

keep it moving.

for sure

The problem is... no one calls you lame in the moment tho.

They call you lame after the moment is long gone.

perhaps theres the 0.2% of women who like when you ask.

"hey, can I kiss you?" "Hey, can we hold hands?" "Hey would you like to engage in sexual activity with me"

But the majority of women, I can safely assume would like men to shoot their shot.

It makes them feel special. And it gives them the advantage of being able to accept or deny....

Plus IMO, women HATE rejection, so why put themselves in a vulnerable position to be rejected.

 

[blakfyahking]

Felt like I was clear about me wanting to take things slow previously

And after I seen what was up wasn't totally truthful about why I had to leave because I was concerned with how I was going to get home

Prior to that not every time I'd been to the houses of guys I was dating alone was I pressured or even asked to do anything physical ...can't say I was being completely naive

The real problem is that still men see women as something he can buy .... and there are women who will take advantage

U got men walking around thinking a drink or dinner and a few compliments guarantees him a woman's time or body off rip... Half the time without much consideration if there's chemistry and the woman is actually sexually attracted to him

Opposed to blaming women, why not ask men to view women as individuals worth giving the benefit of the doubt and more than just sexual objects to be brought

the bolded is not the problem at all

the REAL problem is women naturally like to test/play games, and they like being part-time adults who seldom are held accountable for their actions..........even the women claiming they want equality don't want all the shit that comes with it

if u sincerely tell a dude no, he gon respect ur word unless he truly a psycho/degenerate

otherwise, a nigga is always gon try because women seldom follow their own word

I've literally met "religious" chicks who gave up the drawls w/ literally no effort........and I've met females with all the pre-qual slut indicators that have attempted to make me do work for the pussy

it's disingenuous to tell a young nigga to take a woman's word seriously

i ran into chick like that aswell.

gonna tell me she has a past but she not like that no more and i should take her out cuz the other guys didnt.

i asked her..what makes me different than them that you want me to take you to dinner when they didnt.

she tried to hit me with the you special shit.

but obviously she wasnt special enough to not give the ass to everyone.

long story short....i didnt take her to dinner and i didnt smash. i also didnt call her again.

trynna play a nigga. fukkyou trynna live right now cause you wit me.....no thanks madame.

real nigga shit bruh

shorty was testing to see if u were food and u ain't go for it.......u basically told her to find a plate somewhere else

shit trips me out how certain women will have nerve to try to treat u different and then expect u not to address it

met a stripper broad who got mad at me cuz I told her I don't go on dates

she said "oh, u the type of nigga who meets strippers in strip clubs and just fuck em after a couple of drinks"

I said "well u the type of stripper who just meets customers in strip clubs and just fuck 'em after a couple of drinks, so what's the problem here"

shorty got mad af.....I don't understand why? :joy:

chicks in regular clubs don't get mad like that when u smash after pulling them from the club.........why would a stripper think she is so special?

 

[Shuffington]

Continued 3rd post.

Most importantly,

Females will hold a nigga to his definitive answer. If you back out of anything whether it be coming over, paying a bill, going out, throwing some dick a female expects a man to stick by his definitive come hell or high water. Females will make whole day plans around an answer you gave two weeks ago on some, "well you said...."

Females will build life plans around a one time conversation. If you back out or change your mind you a ain't shit nigga.

So i don't respect the fact that females reserve the right to change their mind in any situation but will hold a man firmly to his answer.

I hate to agree with this dude but yeah....

I've ran into issues with my ex's in the past who proclaim that they are 100% not trying to have a child at all.

I've had maybe one or 2 close calls with a couple ex's ... and these same chicks (my ex's) where hesitant about taking the plan B pill.

like wtf??

we discussed this.... that in the event there was a blunder with the condom, she would take a plan B.

they eventually took it after a ton of deliberation. But I eventually broke up with them after that because

I couldn't get over them not sticking to their word.

But my ex's where on some "don't wear a condom, cause it feels good.." type sh*t .... I mean they're right, but

clearly Im the only one thinking about the future.

 

[rip.dilla]

Man... all these 'Battle of the sexes' threads

That MGTOW thread still lit up. Can't catch up

 

[jono]

Women are not going to make a move.

Let's just be real. It's a really rare occurance for a woman to be an aggressor. She might be aggressive more often if you two have history.

Also, human beings have a fight or flight instinctual response to threats and intimidation.

All this shit about women fainting, turning into deer and being frozen is bullshit. It's dramatic, emotionally manipulative bullshit.

If a chick really isn't interested she is going to at the very least move or pull away, she's going to verbally or physically resist.

A woman doesn't even want you in her personal space (in position to grab or kiss on her) if she doesn't like you.

The idea that guys are pouncing on chicks like cheetahs is being overblown.

This idea that dudes don't take no for an answer is exaggerated.

Anyone who has ever had sex, knows how sex happens. They know how it starts. All these inhuman individuals who are confused about relationships and sex probably have never had it or is likely so far removed from dating that their concepts seem foreign to average people.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

But these hoes turn around and call you lame for not being aggressive enough

Someone calls you lame for actually trying to take the time to see what she likes and is cool with...take it as a red flag and keep it pushing

You're right....

keep it moving.

for sure

The problem is... no one calls you lame in the moment tho.

They call you lame after the moment is long gone.

perhaps theres the 0.2% of women who like when you ask.

"hey, can I kiss you?" "Hey, can we hold hands?" "Hey would you like to engage in sexual activity with me"

But the majority of women, I can safely assume would like men to shoot their shot.

It makes them feel special. And it gives them the advantage of being able to accept or deny....

Plus IMO, women HATE rejection, so why put themselves in a vulnerable position to be rejected.

you trying to get to know her or figure out what she likes doesn't necessarily require you verbally asking her out right can i have sex with you

i get it though..

and true i'm not expected, asked to stick out my neck when it comes to courting, dating and whatnot

so i didn't mean to be dismissive . it does take some guess work....

think we can agree though, grabbing on a stranger trying to get their attention, touching a person sexually you have not established a rapport, relationship can be easily misconstrued

its best for everyone not to shoot your shot in a professional setting...especially not cool if he or she is a subordinate considering the power dynamics

and after 2,3 rebuffs its time to move on

 

[Koltrain]

If some of these chicks think a compliment from a stranger is creepy, then just do the opposite...kick it off with a direct insult.. "Excuse me, but you look horrible, have a great day"

 

[Will Munny]

I don’t even make eye contact with women.

 

[AggieLean.]

Anyone who has ever had sex, knows how sex happens. They know how it starts. All these inhuman individuals who are confused about relationships and sex probably have never had it or is likely so far removed from dating that their concepts seem foreign to average people.

Boom, there it is.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

I read this shit again and it got me thinking how funny it was that u posted the bolded

I mean, how grimy was it for u to come over and get u a free meal 1st before u just so happen to "notice" there was no TV in the living room? u made sure u ate some food before u tried to play innocent like u were really surprised that cuzzo was trying to smash LOL

he was a real gentleman cuz based on the facts he should've sent u home on that Uber quick.....no daps needed

funny part is that even if there was a TV in the living room, it should have been understood that there was the obvious implication that he wanted the drawls

only simp niggaz put up with shit like preparing home cooked meals for broads who like to play games.......I'm legitimately mad at how u scammed dude and then told the story afterwards like u were an innocent victim :joy:

nah I'm reaching cuz ya'll could've just brought food to the house.......but my point still stands that u could've easily stated ur intent before u decided to even go there

Felt like I was clear about me wanting to take things slow previously

And after I seen what was up wasn't totally truthful about why I had to leave because I was concerned with how I was going to get home

Prior to that not every time I'd been to the houses of guys I was dating alone was I pressured or even asked to do anything physical ...can't say I was being completely naive

The real problem is that still men see women as something he can buy .... and there are women who will take advantage

U got men walking around thinking a drink or dinner and a few compliments guarantees him a woman's time or body off rip... Half the time without much consideration if there's chemistry and the woman is actually sexually attracted to him

Opposed to blaming women, why not ask men to view women as individuals worth giving the benefit of the doubt and more than just sexual objects to be brought

So how many dates/how long had you known this guy before you let him pick you up and take you to his home for dinner?

And then you lied about why you needed to leave (despite you talking that being direct mess in your next post) to use him for a ride home. Why didn't you drive yourself?

Prior to that, you said not every time a dude has tried to hit. So that means that it did happen at least once, in which case, you knew damn well it was a possibility. And you right, you weren't being naive, you played him basically.

2 dates... we was cool prior to that as well....probably knew him 4,5 months

it was just suppose to be us grabbing take out and a movie...as i previously stated i made what i wanted known previous times ...he wasn't the one being upfront

so considering he wasn't direct with me ... i wasn't direct with him... and like i said i didn't drive there

i went there for a movie and was never given the impression he wanted more and it was agreed upon he'd pick me up and drive me back home afterward

but ok... i played him

*shrugs*

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

I don’t even make eye contact with women.

U hate women

 

[gorilla]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

I read this shit again and it got me thinking how funny it was that u posted the bolded

I mean, how grimy was it for u to come over and get u a free meal 1st before u just so happen to "notice" there was no TV in the living room? u made sure u ate some food before u tried to play innocent like u were really surprised that cuzzo was trying to smash LOL

he was a real gentleman cuz based on the facts he should've sent u home on that Uber quick.....no daps needed

funny part is that even if there was a TV in the living room, it should have been understood that there was the obvious implication that he wanted the drawls

only simp niggaz put up with shit like preparing home cooked meals for broads who like to play games.......I'm legitimately mad at how u scammed dude and then told the story afterwards like u were an innocent victim :joy:

nah I'm reaching cuz ya'll could've just brought food to the house.......but my point still stands that u could've easily stated ur intent before u decided to even go there

Felt like I was clear about me wanting to take things slow previously

And after I seen what was up wasn't totally truthful about why I had to leave because I was concerned with how I was going to get home

Prior to that not every time I'd been to the houses of guys I was dating alone was I pressured or even asked to do anything physical ...can't say I was being completely naive

The real problem is that still men see women as something he can buy .... and there are women who will take advantage

U got men walking around thinking a drink or dinner and a few compliments guarantees him a woman's time or body off rip... Half the time without much consideration if there's chemistry and the woman is actually sexually attracted to him

Opposed to blaming women, why not ask men to view women as individuals worth giving the benefit of the doubt and more than just sexual objects to be brought

So how many dates/how long had you known this guy before you let him pick you up and take you to his home for dinner?

And then you lied about why you needed to leave (despite you talking that being direct mess in your next post) to use him for a ride home. Why didn't you drive yourself?

Prior to that, you said not every time a dude has tried to hit. So that means that it did happen at least once, in which case, you knew damn well it was a possibility. And you right, you weren't being naive, you played him basically.

2 dates... we was cool prior to that as well....probably knew him 4,5 months

it was just suppose to be us grabbing take out and a movie...as i previously stated i made what i wanted known previous times ...he wasn't the one being upfront

so considering he wasn't direct with me ... i wasn't direct with him... and like i said i didn't drive there

i went there for a movie and was never given the impression he wanted more and it was agreed upon he'd pick me up and drive me back home afterward

but ok... i played him

*shrugs*

Real shit, I'm not trying to attack you at all. I'm just presenting the alternative view. I ain't the dude that believes all women ain't shit and are only here for fucking.

I'm just saying that men and women are both responsible for how we treat each other. Sometime we do shit without thinking about how the other side perceives it. Some people don't give a shit.

So if ol boy tried to play you for a yamp, I ain't mad at you for playing him for a ride home. The game is the game.

My only thing is women are notorious for trying to play "dumb" in situations like this. They'll go out with a dude, let him wine and dine and have no interest at all the whole time. Yes, I know dudes will play the whole role of being interested for a long term and then bounce after getting it or what have you, so I'm not ignorant to that. All I'm saying is that there has to be an appropriate amount of accountability on both sides. And I say that in general terms, not specifically your scenario here.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

I read this shit again and it got me thinking how funny it was that u posted the bolded

I mean, how grimy was it for u to come over and get u a free meal 1st before u just so happen to "notice" there was no TV in the living room? u made sure u ate some food before u tried to play innocent like u were really surprised that cuzzo was trying to smash LOL

he was a real gentleman cuz based on the facts he should've sent u home on that Uber quick.....no daps needed

funny part is that even if there was a TV in the living room, it should have been understood that there was the obvious implication that he wanted the drawls

only simp niggaz put up with shit like preparing home cooked meals for broads who like to play games.......I'm legitimately mad at how u scammed dude and then told the story afterwards like u were an innocent victim :joy:

nah I'm reaching cuz ya'll could've just brought food to the house.......but my point still stands that u could've easily stated ur intent before u decided to even go there

Felt like I was clear about me wanting to take things slow previously

And after I seen what was up wasn't totally truthful about why I had to leave because I was concerned with how I was going to get home

Prior to that not every time I'd been to the houses of guys I was dating alone was I pressured or even asked to do anything physical ...can't say I was being completely naive

The real problem is that still men see women as something he can buy .... and there are women who will take advantage

U got men walking around thinking a drink or dinner and a few compliments guarantees him a woman's time or body off rip... Half the time without much consideration if there's chemistry and the woman is actually sexually attracted to him

Opposed to blaming women, why not ask men to view women as individuals worth giving the benefit of the doubt and more than just sexual objects to be brought

So how many dates/how long had you known this guy before you let him pick you up and take you to his home for dinner?

And then you lied about why you needed to leave (despite you talking that being direct mess in your next post) to use him for a ride home. Why didn't you drive yourself?

Prior to that, you said not every time a dude has tried to hit. So that means that it did happen at least once, in which case, you knew damn well it was a possibility. And you right, you weren't being naive, you played him basically.

2 dates... we was cool prior to that as well....probably knew him 4,5 months

it was just suppose to be us grabbing take out and a movie...as i previously stated i made what i wanted known previous times ...he wasn't the one being upfront

so considering he wasn't direct with me ... i wasn't direct with him... and like i said i didn't drive there

i went there for a movie and was never given the impression he wanted more and it was agreed upon he'd pick me up and drive me back home afterward

but ok... i played him

*shrugs*

Real shit, I'm not trying to attack you at all. I'm just presenting the alternative view. I ain't the dude that believes all women and shit and are only here for fucking.

I'm just saying that men and women are both responsible for how we treat each other. Sometime we do shit without thinking about how the other side perceives it. Some people don't give a shit.

So if ol boy tried to play you for a yamp, I ain't mad at you for playing for a ride home. The game is the game.

My only thing is women are notorious for trying to play "dumb" in situations like this. They'll go out with a dude, let him win and dine and have no interest at all the whole time. Yes, I know dudes will play the whole role of being interested for a long term and then bounce after getting it or what have you, so I'm not ignorant to that. All I'm saying is that there has to be an appropriate amount of accountability on both sides. And I say that in general terms, not specifically your scenario here.

when i was young i once had a chick talk all that shit about what she was gonna do.....but she was hungry an if i could come get her an we grab a bite.

i went got her ..we ordered pizza and was watching tv.

i ask her whats up..you talked a big game.

bitch asked if i could take her home cause she didnt realize how late it was.

while i took the immediate L...she married one of my homies years later.

she stay cheating on that nigga.

so its still kinda an L cause everybody got the ass but me. :'(

 

[5 Grand]

I don’t even make eye contact with women.

Does it work?

 

[Splackavelli]

I hate people especially women.

I take it back! I don't hate women I wasn't in my right mind! I don't know what I was thinking ! I'm sorry ladies, Splackavelli stil got love for you don't leave me! Pleeaaaseee! Pleeaassse!

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

it's disingenuous to tell a young nigga to take a woman's word seriously

following that advise will not always end favorably for him....

but ok

and this whole idea that my actions were wrong opposed to the means he took to get to his goal just further illustrates the contempt and resentment women face

which ties in with the ways a lot of men approach women without much consideration of her individuality and wants

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

U can't always foresee what will offend or upset a person

Same as I'm sure there is someone out there who actually enjoys being grabbed by strange men

But is it always required you actually act or speak a word(s) before it occurs to you that this word or said action could potentially be offensive

If some females tell me they prefer that I ask before doing a certain action, and just as many or more females tell me asking would get me disqualified, I have absolutely no way to know which side a female falls on before doing it. All I can do is read the signals as best as I can and take my shot. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

In regards to touching

Is it not conventional wisdom that touching someone is an invasion of someone's personal space and typically reserved for those we are intimate with? wouldnt you agree its a good assumption if you have not established trust with a person they aren't going to want you touching them regardless of whether a previous individual or 2 with whom you had little to no rapport responded positively

Same with referring to a with someone's body, personhood who you barely know

Don't really see it as being all that hard or confusing

I guess when women come to the general consensus that "how's ur day going" " what's your name, if you don't mind me asking" is offensive I could sympathize

lol The whole point is there is no consensus on anything, which is why it's impossible to predict. If we knew that every single woman would receive being touched on the arm badly, none but the most disrespectful would do that. Again, for some females it is offensive. For others, something like that is necessary to break the ice and gain her interest. Sure you could just never touch anyone you don't know, and maybe that approach would keep you out of trouble, but it could also you prevent you from the success you want. It's like promoting abstinence as the best way to avoid pregnancy. That shit doesn't work because it basically ignores human nature. You say you don't see why it's hard or confusing, well you must be a psychological genius because when you read up on this subject, pretty much the only consensus is that human interaction is extremely complicated and there is no rule or set of rules that works in all cases.

we can never get to a real real consensus ... but we can try to move closer to that goal

 

[Will Munny]

I don’t even make eye contact with women.

U hate women

I love women, but im scared of the state.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

U can't always foresee what will offend or upset a person

Same as I'm sure there is someone out there who actually enjoys being grabbed by strange men

But is it always required you actually act or speak a word(s) before it occurs to you that this word or said action could potentially be offensive

If some females tell me they prefer that I ask before doing a certain action, and just as many or more females tell me asking would get me disqualified, I have absolutely no way to know which side a female falls on before doing it. All I can do is read the signals as best as I can and take my shot. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

In regards to touching

Is it not conventional wisdom that touching someone is an invasion of someone's personal space and typically reserved for those we are intimate with? wouldnt you agree its a good assumption if you have not established trust with a person they aren't going to want you touching them regardless of whether a previous individual or 2 with whom you had little to no rapport responded positively

Same with referring to a with someone's body, personhood who you barely know

Don't really see it as being all that hard or confusing

I guess when women come to the general consensus that "how's ur day going" " what's your name, if you don't mind me asking" is offensive I could sympathize

lol The whole point is there is no consensus on anything, which is why it's impossible to predict. If we knew that every single woman would receive being touched on the arm badly, none but the most disrespectful would do that. Again, for some females it is offensive. For others, something like that is necessary to break the ice and gain her interest. Sure you could just never touch anyone you don't know, and maybe that approach would keep you out of trouble, but it could also you prevent you from the success you want. It's like promoting abstinence as the best way to avoid pregnancy. That shit doesn't work because it basically ignores human nature. You say you don't see why it's hard or confusing, well you must be a psychological genius because when you read up on this subject, pretty much the only consensus is that human interaction is extremely complicated and there is no rule or set of rules that works in all cases.

we can never get to a real real consensus ... but we can try to move closer to that goal

Well what is your real goal? Cause it seems like you want to impose a set of rules where there is no basis for such a set. Again, if your advice for men is don't touch women you don't know at all, then what about all those women that respond to touch? I think we all can agree that some dudes take things too far and more can be done to dissuade that. But do you really think demonizing men for every little act is the right solution. So what you don't like the way a particular dude came at you. There is a difference between his style not being your thing and him being outright disrespectful.

 

[EmM HoLLa.]

We have officially entered the twilight zone. A nigga can't even initiate conversation without being labeled a predator? Fuck outta here..