So these Somalis don't identify as black after all

[BlevlandBoyBool]

Fuckn coconut bitch

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

We continually call a talented one a coon is he even black?

 

[babelipsss]

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to get caught up in this never-ending black/white mess. The Somalis want to just be Somalis, more power to them. There is more to life than labels.

 

[Busta Carmichael]

Nigga said "Jamaicans don't even identify themselves as black" smh another fail thread by the resident coon.

Hold this

The Fuck. Some Somali dude said that, not me. Are you really that dumb?

You seem quite upset

 

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[aneed123]

Somalis and Ethiopians been tripping

 

[Shizlansky]

Being black > being Somalis.

 

[Shizlansky]

Being black > being Somalis.

Is this some like trick math problem since both properties are equal? Lol, should I be happy that I'm still better than Somalis cuz I'm black or nah?

It wasn't a diss.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Evil nerd bitch from heaven.

 

[A Talented One]

What I really find interesting is "blacks, negros, African Americans", or whatever u wanna call them getting upset when other people don't wanna identity as them...

The enslaved Africans became "negros and blacks" AFTER they became enslaved...they had their heritage stripped alway from them THEN they became black.

Why are blacks trying to strip the Somali's heritage away from them like the European did the enslaved Africans?

Somali's kno who they are....do you?

Nobody is trying to strip them of anything. 'Black' is a race. They can be black and Somali at the same time.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Oh okay, if you say so op.

Biology says otherwise, but what is scientific evidence in the face of atalentedcoon post

Some of your compatriots on that website have different viewpoints

 

[LUClEN]

Being black > being Somalis.

Is this some like trick math problem since both properties are equal? Lol, should I be happy that I'm still better than Somalis cuz I'm black or nah?

They're not really equal. Somali is a subset of black

 

[StillFaggyAF]

This coon is right y'all.......black is a social construct

 

[zzombie]

A long time ago people only identified with their clan then they identified with their tribe and then it was their nation Now it is RACE it just keeps getting more complex saying that you only want to identify with you nationality is kind of backwards.

 

[mryounggun]

Who gives a fuck? If they want to run away from their blackness, let them. Shit don't eem move me like that. Shouldn't move you either.

Just my $00.02

 

[A Talented One]

What I really find interesting is "blacks, negros, African Americans", or whatever u wanna call them getting upset when other people don't wanna identity as them...

The enslaved Africans became "negros and blacks" AFTER they became enslaved...they had their heritage stripped alway from them THEN they became black.

Why are blacks trying to strip the Somali's heritage away from them like the European did the enslaved Africans?

Somali's kno who they are....do you?

Nobody is trying to strip them of anything. 'Black' is a race. They can be black and Somali at the same time.

Your race can be your nationality and your nationality can be your race....they can be synonymous according to congress.....I say that to say his race can be Somali...its some Somalis who don't want to be labeled as black as stated by the poster in that forum and people will still label that person black KNOWING he doesn't identify as black....that's stripping away someone's identity.

I'll hit u wit the source to congress using race and nationality interchangeably when I get back to the house....

But yea Jew is a race, nationality, and religion....

Even if Congress, for census purposes, made it such that your race can be your nationality and your nationality can be your race, that doesn't mean that there are no differences in fact between race and nationality or ethnicity.

On a different note, looks like they froze the thread. Can you give the OP some love if you want this thread to go to the top when there are new posts?

 

[mryounggun]

Who gives a fuck? If they want to run away from their blackness, let them. Shit don't eem move me like that. Shouldn't move you either.

Just my $00.02

Running away from their blackness...........

What the fuck are y'all niggas saying.....that shit just sound stupid as fuck....running away from their blackness lmao....do y'all niggas really hear yourselves?????

Yes, I heard myself. Of course I heard myself. I was there when I said it.

 

[A Talented One]

Who gives a fuck? If they want to run away from their blackness, let them. Shit don't eem move me like that. Shouldn't move you either.

Just my $00.02

They are indeed running away from their blackness, and truth be told, I am not distressed by the fact that they don't want to be seen as black. But I'm not exactly insouciant either. For one thing, their disinclination to identify with us seems to be owed, in part at least, to sense that we are a downtrodden and maybe inferior people.

They froze the thread. Can you give the OP some love if you want this thread to go to the top when there are new posts?

 

[Tragedy1]

The Somalis want to just be Somalis, more power to them. There is more to life than labels.

'Somali' is also a label and my issue is less with Somalis choosing not to identify as black than it is with Africans and other non-American black people having their experience with racism and as well as their self-identification as black people disregarded. I wouldn't particularly feel inclined to tell Indians and Chinese people who identify as black that they weren't.

What I really find interesting is "blacks, negros, African Americans", or whatever u wanna call them getting upset when other people don't wanna identity as them...

The enslaved Africans became "negros and blacks" AFTER they became enslaved...they had their heritage stripped alway from them THEN they became black.

They did not become black after becoming enslaved. They developed the black American ethnic identity and culture after becoming enslaved. Race and ethnicity are both social constructs (I'll assume the former is true for conversation, there's an argument to be made that it does more or less have some biological meaning), I don't believe there are objective standards for classifying people into distinct racial and ethnic groups but subjective rules of classification can still be applied consistently or not which is why I think that if ethnicity is inherently tied to genealogy, if you inherit the ethnic identity of your parents regardless of your own culture or nationality (and it's generally agreed that someone raised in Nigeria by Yoruba parents whose biological parents were Han Chinese is still ethnically Han Chinese even if they're culturally Yoruba and Nigerian by nationality) then it's consistent to regard black Americans and other people of African descent as ethnic Africans (although virtually all black Americans, if not all, are also ethnic Europeans despite being mostly African).

According to the dictionary a race is " one of several subdivisions of mankind distinguished by physical characteristics ; a group descended from a common ancestry". By this definition, the slaves did not become racially black after having been enslaved. They developed a new ethnic identity, not a new 'race'. The justification for slavery, at least later on when it moved beyond indentured slavery and became racialized, was that the Africans were a distinct and inferior race of people, despite the fact that they were not culturally or ethnically black American because the AA tribe hadn't been formed yet, they belonged to the same groups that still exist along the coast of West Africa and the Congo and Angola and even in Mozambique, apparently (these places are where the slaves brought to The New World came from) . The very first black people to be victimized by American racism were Africans, they had more in common culturally with Africans in Africa today then with their own descendants, they didn't become black after they were victimized by white American racism, their being black is why they were victimized *to begin with* (not why most of them were sold by other Africans, but why they and not pure Europeans were used as forced labor in the South once slavery did became racialized).

Why are blacks trying to strip the Somali's heritage away from them like the European did the enslaved Africans?

You're not stripping away their ethnic heritage in saying that you accept them as black if they consider themselves as such. On the contrary, you're stripping away their African identity when you deny them that.

Being black > being Somalis.

No disrespect, and I mean that, it's no attack on you as a man in general even though I think you're wrong with this one thing, but you sound so obnoxious. "My dick is the biggest dick", "my tribe is the best tribe", "only my people suffer". I don't know why some black people and other people of color think their ethnic chauvinism is less repugnant than it would be if they were white.

Do people kno this race and color identification thing is a relatively new thing?

Somalis have only been identifying as 'Somali' relatively recently in history. Prior to that, their ancestors identified with specific clans but without outsiders to contrast themselves with, they probably didn't have a strong sense of having much in common with other Somali speaking groups. This is true of many linguistic groups who weren't considered a single 'tribe' prior to European colonialism despite sharing the same language and even broad culture. Africans never identified as 'African' but you'll never use that rationalization against grouping Africans together. Most people don't identify as 'human' and even less so as 'sentient beings' but we are still humans and sentient beings, however much it means to our identity. However important they are or not, 'black' describes the racial differences between Zulus and Swedes, 'Zulu' doesn't, it tells you about someone culture or their ethnic heritage if they're not culturally Zulu. We "need" some word to describe the phenotypical differences between people and we can't use that interchangeably with one ethnic group.

I also find it strange how people will claim that Africans and other non-American black people are not black because they ('most', if the speaker is being generous) don't identify with race when arguably most, or at least *many* black Americans don't identify with race either.... They identify with their ethnic group, the only difference between them and the rest of us is that they CALL their ethnic group 'black'.