So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[zzombie]

Theres no point in interacting in people who have obvious disdain for women and treat them as subhuman. Topics like this will never be a good place for honest dialogue with them

I thought it was going good until he showed up like fuck. Now it's all fucking outta wack.

GOOD GOING in other words every opinion being expressed was in line or parallel with my own

 

[zzombie]

Instead, we teach our kids how to avoid them the best they can.... let them get someone else, but watch your own ass.

As a society, is that the best we can do though?

That is my frustration. It seems absurd that the way to deal with this issue is merely to keep teaching girls how to protect themselves. And I said earlier, I don't believe anyone over 15 in western society doesn't know that rape is illegal. So if they know, but apparently don't care, how do we fix this?

The solution is going to be multifaceted

But i do believe it involve teaching our children what we mean by consent and how to truly respect one another

My niece, who is 16. said a girl at her school claimed she was raped by a classmate at a house party. She didn't believe her though because the girl is a flirt. Plus she didn't suffer from any visible bruising. And there was no one at the party that heard a struggle or any screams

It's OK to be suspicious and to question everything. But we really don't question the woman who says her purse was stolen. We aren't suspicious of the man who reports his car stolen. A man can report to have being raped by another man, but he wouldn't face the same scrutiny as a woman who says that she was raped by a man. When it comes to female/male rape, what is really fueling our suspicions?

Disdain for the female gender largely I think. Men despise the feminine aspect of themselves, being feminine hasn't served women very well thus far and we attack females or disregard them in a variety of ways.

say what??? you cannot be serious ... without being feminine men would have no impulse to protect women and if men don't protect you from other men you women cannot survive on your own for ever long

Are you sure it's not because of a pervasive opinion that women are weak?

WOMEN are weak compared to men and that's not a matter of opinion it's factual truth

We're not talking psychical weakness.

when it comes down to it in the situations we are talking about physical strength and ability to do and withstand violence is all that matters. If men decided not to protect women there is no way women could protect themselves from other men. in places like iraq and the congo WE SEE examples of what happens to a society when the men can no longer protect the women. THE WOMEN get brutalized beyond belief

We were talking about disdain and hatred for females, and what do you do? Come in here proving the point.

Theres no point in interacting in people who have obvious disdain for women and treat them as subhuman. Topics like this will never be a good place for honest dialogue with them

so i cannot consider women to be different from men without considering them subhuman??? I must agree with everything you women on this forum say otherwise i am a bad person is that what you are trying to say

 

[zzombie]

Instead, we teach our kids how to avoid them the best they can.... let them get someone else, but watch your own ass.

As a society, is that the best we can do though?

That is my frustration. It seems absurd that the way to deal with this issue is merely to keep teaching girls how to protect themselves. And I said earlier, I don't believe anyone over 15 in western society doesn't know that rape is illegal. So if they know, but apparently don't care, how do we fix this?

The solution is going to be multifaceted

But i do believe it involve teaching our children what we mean by consent and how to truly respect one another

My niece, who is 16. said a girl at her school claimed she was raped by a classmate at a house party. She didn't believe her though because the girl is a flirt. Plus she didn't suffer from any visible bruising. And there was no one at the party that heard a struggle or any screams

It's OK to be suspicious and to question everything. But we really don't question the woman who says her purse was stolen. We aren't suspicious of the man who reports his car stolen. A man can report to have being raped by another man, but he wouldn't face the same scrutiny as a woman who says that she was raped by a man. When it comes to female/male rape, what is really fueling our suspicions?

Disdain for the female gender largely I think. Men despise the feminine aspect of themselves, being feminine hasn't served women very well thus far and we attack females or disregard them in a variety of ways.

say what??? you cannot be serious ... without being feminine men would have no impulse to protect women and if men don't protect you from other men you women cannot survive on your own for ever long

Are you sure it's not because of a pervasive opinion that women are weak?

WOMEN are weak compared to men and that's not a matter of opinion it's factual truth

We're not talking psychical weakness.

when it comes down to it in the situations we are talking about physical strength and ability to do and withstand violence is all that matters. If men decided not to protect women there is no way women could protect themselves from other men. in places like iraq and the congo WE SEE examples of what happens to a society when the men can no longer protect the women. THE WOMEN get brutalized beyond belief

We were talking about disdain and hatred for females, and what do you do? Come in here proving the point.

I don't hate females i hate feminism and what it has done to the culture and what i said was the stone cold truth women cannot survive without men but men don't really want to survive without you so What do you want me to say that men and women are equal when we clearly are not.

men and women are just different

See you're still suck on the OTHER equal, when that's not the equal being discussed. You flew off into a tangent and threw the flow of the convo off to answer to your irrational rants.

WHAT WAS irrational about what i have been saying??? and what OTHER EQUAL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I was reading some Jung stuff on the aspects we repress and how males repress the anima and how it comes out as projections towards women, and then I thought about how women are actually repressing their feminine side and choosing the animus as their persona, could that play a part is what is occurring in western society?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

WHAT WAS irrational about what i have been saying??? and what OTHER EQUAL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

Equality in regards to respect and regard. Clearly you missed it being said the first time and are only reading and answering to what you want. This is why I rarely engage in debate with you.

 

[zzombie]

I was reading some Jung stuff on the aspects we repress and how males repress the anima and how it comes out as projections towards women, and then I thought about how women are actually repressing their feminine side and choosing the animus as their persona, could that play a part is what is occurring in western society?

what is occurring in western society is the fruition of social marxism and it's long journey through the institutions

 

[Hevalisk]

ITT: IC rapist tell on themselves.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I was reading some Jung stuff on the aspects we repress and how males repress the anima and how it comes out as projections towards women, and then I thought about how women are actually repressing their feminine side and choosing the animus as their persona, could that play a part is what is occurring in western society?

what is occurring in western society is the fruition of social marxism and it's long journey through the institutions

Sorry, I forgot to @anybodyelsebutyou for ideas

 

[the dukester]

Too many Amber Rose's, not enough Clair Huxtable's, in our society.

 

[zzombie]

I was reading some Jung stuff on the aspects we repress and how males repress the anima and how it comes out as projections towards women, and then I thought about how women are actually repressing their feminine side and choosing the animus as their persona, could that play a part is what is occurring in western society?

what is occurring in western society is the fruition of social marxism and it's long journey through the institutions

Sorry, I forgot to @anybodyelsebutyou for ideas

Ignoring ideas you don't agree with is the sign of mental weakness

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I was reading some Jung stuff on the aspects we repress and how males repress the anima and how it comes out as projections towards women, and then I thought about how women are actually repressing their feminine side and choosing the animus as their persona, could that play a part is what is occurring in western society?

what is occurring in western society is the fruition of social marxism and it's long journey through the institutions

Sorry, I forgot to @anybodyelsebutyou for ideas

Ignoring ideas you don't agree with is the sign of mental weakness

You drain people with how you debate. I'm conserving energy.

 

[VulcanRaven]

So if a man is passe out drunk and is assaulted by a woman or another man and you tell him he should not have been wasted is it blaming the victim? If I leave my door unlocked and someone walks in and steals my shit and you say my door should have not been left unlocked are you blaming me?

 

[VulcanRaven]

Any constructive criticism you give a woman in cases of rape and domestic violence is considered "blaming the victim."

Sad commentary on society when people aren't able to accept good advice.

The best (most politically correct) way that I can describe what happened to her is:

It's definitely not her fault she got raped, but she probably wouldn't have been in a position to be raped if she hadn't been drinking so much.

All the feminists would claim that statement is an example of rape culture/rape apologists/victim blaming.......but it's a fairly accurate assessment of what transpired.

Why do you think women are unaware of danger? And in an incident where someone has been violated to that level, what is the purpose of saying that shit? If you know it does nothing but put ownership on the harmed for someone else harming her body, the purpose of saying that is???

It's called common sense. Fact is these college chicks lack it and so does college males, which is why shit like this happens. The issue is men think solutions and prevention, while women don't. These types of rapes can be avoided by the female not drunk to the point of being unconscious. No blame, just the cold hard facts. This was a crime of opportunity and she could not even fight him off which a person should always be aware enough to defend themselves or recognize danger. Duh ...it's called the world.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

So its the drunk girl's fault that a man couldnt control himself and preys on a chick? This is how you get your women bruh? You find the drunk chick in the club that cant see you the only dude with a velvet blazer on and a ascott wrapped tight around your neck?

How are you still corny in 2016?

 

[fortyacres]

you are a fuckin idiot.

 

[Westie]

Any constructive criticism you give a woman in cases of rape and domestic violence is considered "blaming the victim."

Sad commentary on society when people aren't able to accept good advice.

The best (most politically correct) way that I can describe what happened to her is:

It's definitely not her fault she got raped, but she probably wouldn't have been in a position to be raped if she hadn't been drinking so much.

All the feminists would claim that statement is an example of rape culture/rape apologists/victim blaming.......but it's a fairly accurate assessment of what transpired.

Why do you think women are unaware of danger? And in an incident where someone has been violated to that level, what is the purpose of saying that shit? If you know it does nothing but put ownership on the harmed for someone else harming her body, the purpose of saying that is???

It's called common sense. Fact is these college chicks lack it and so does college males, which is why shit like this happens. The issue is men think solutions and prevention, while women don't. These types of rapes can be avoided by the female not drunk to the point of being unconscious. No blame, just the cold hard facts. This was a crime of opportunity and she could not even fight him off which a person should always be aware enough to defend themselves or recognize danger. Duh ...it's called the world.

It's not a "solution" if you're telling someone after the fact. The damage has been done. At this point right now it is Blaming. yes some men do think in solutions: knocked out woman let me go try to fuck her, solution is getting my rocks off because no coherent woman will fuck me. I hope you're proud of your sex. I'll take dumb decisions over being a predator because you can't get laid by a person who's awake.

 

[Westie]

That's the shit that throws me about some of you. That being said, most of the men in here are bein very rational. But by extension saying she shouldn't have been drunk is giving the excuse to the rapist like she was drunk so obviously somebody was going to come up and take that. Like that's a normal fucking thing to do. Is that what you'll do with unconcious women?

 

[blacktux]

What frustrates me is when men speak about not putting yourself in position to be taken advantage of, some of you women and sissy men assume that WE are those MEN.

Nah, but as men we see the truth in men more than women do. We talk with men, we hear men converse close enough to us and laugh about some foul shit from time to time. We know the animals are out there.

Fact: Men buy drinks for women to loosen them up.

Fact: Men are looking to find something to fuck when they go out at night.

How do women (especially the ones that roll solo) find themselves so comfortable around men who are strangers to them, knowing these things?

Fact: Women participate in and enable "rape culture" to exist. But we aren't ready for honesty.

 

[Westie]

What frustrates me is when men speak about not putting yourself in position to be taken advantage of, some of you women and sissy men assume that WE are those MEN.

Nah, but as men we see the truth in men more than women do. We talk with men, we hear men converse close enough to us and laugh about some foul shit from time to time. We know the animals are out there.

Fact: Men buy drinks for women to loosen them up.

Fact: Men are looking to find something to fuck when they go out at night.

You know men, you know you do this and yet how many of you tell your partner's this is wrong to do?

How do women (especially the ones that roll solo) find themselves so comfortable around men who are strangers to them, knowing these things?

You just stated that men know men more than women do so you expect all of them to know those things? Is this something that you tell all of the women in the world?

Fact: Women participate in and enable "rape culture" to exist. But we aren't ready for honesty.

How is it you say you know men better than women but then your end statement is blaming women for rape culture? Can you connect your dots properly before you decide to blame rapists on women?

 

[blacktux]

The men that i know of that have these types of conversations aint my partners, and the times that i did end up trying to step to them its all bad. There has never been a positive conversation, they always have some angle to try and justify their stance; at that point all i can do is leave it alone.

How would i not expect women to know these things? Do they not have fathers, uncles, even male friends that put them on about being careless around men who are strangers? I personally drop truth on every female im around from co workers to my wifes friends.

I didnt blame women for rape culture. I said women participate in what is called "rape culture" and it couldn't exist without them.

Just as i believe women participate in what we know as "game". They know game when they see it, they still participate in it and have fun with it until it turns out all bad for them; then they complain about it.