So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[optimistic]

One thing that is never discussed when it comes to alcohol is that there is a science to drinking alcohol. Different people have different tolerances depending on size, how much alcohol in their system, the frequency of their intake and what's going on around them (whether they are sitting down or up dancing).

A 5'4 120lb woman is going to have a lowered tolerance than a bigger woman and a smaller one. Just about nobody knows their tolerance they just make estimates.

Its doubful the girl drank herself into unconsciousness, she would have died first. Its more likely that she had a few drinks but didn't feel the effects until she tried to walk, she got a few feet then all the alcohol kicked in and she conked out.

99% of people who drink to the point of falling asleep or involuntarily losing consciousness have no idea how it got so far.

People are almost always more drunk than they think they are. Which is why you get the "I only had one or two beers..." excuse all the time.

This idea that people are supposed to know this threshold off the top of their head is preposterous. Most people couldn't tell you how much alcohol is in the drinks they had, just how many of them they had.

My homeboy is about 5'7-5'8" 150lbs and two long island ice teas would have him on Zab Judah legs, and if he doesn't TASTE alcohol he believes the drinks are weak and drinks more. And its all good until he tries to walk let alone drive. This is a grown man (he's 33), been drinking since he was 16 so i can't imagine an early 20s kid knowing their limits.

There's alot of factors that go into alcohol consumption, its silly to think anyone would know this especially when in that atmosphere where people are feeding you liquor to keep the party going.

That definitely needs to be discussed, but i dont think it is GLOBALLY talked about because of it puts a bad mark on the alchohol industry.

"Drink responsibly" isn't enough. The vast majority of people "partying" are not drinking responsibly. Luckily there are "rules" in place, like the designated driver, and the various group rules i know females have; as i have both been out with females and approached females out in groups.

Almost all of these rape cases we speak about on this forum involve alchohol getting the best of someone, or multiple people.

But why do we only speak about the consumption of the victim, as if the guilty parties consumption doesnt have them making irrational decisions as well.

Irrational decisions are legal until you commit a criminal act.

 

[Westie]

Quick question? Since all of this debate is going around about who's at fault should this guy get off? Since she left her pussy open for him to enter.

No he should get the max sentence. Would you tell person that it is safe to get passed out drunk?

No i wouldn't. Would I tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have passed out after she was already raped? What happened happened and it still doesn't make it ok.

 

[Westie]

I'm going to be very blunt with my daughter when she is off age.

The thing I don't get is... When given the chance some guys will rape. If you are passed out drunk, you just might be his target. Let's say he rapes you, he does 15 years in prison...

Do you still go to parties and gets passed out drunk?

No your entire life changes. Your normal sex life changes. You get scared to be around men and people in general a lot of shit happens after you get raped. Trust me this lesson you're trying to teach this woman she has already learned.

ETA some women do exhibit more promiscuous Behavior after being raped feeling that their body has no value because it was taken from them.

Exactly. What to do tell the next potential victim?

I have absolutely no problem and people talking to young women about things like this. I think there should be many programs designated to teach young boys and young women about the dangers of being in those situations. What I do not like is after the fact people making the victim feel like it was her fault she got raped and that is what some are doing.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

This is just a convo on the IC, no one, at least from here, it trying to make her feel like it's her fault.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

And as far as teaching males, if they are over 15 in 2016 in western society, I don't believe they aren't aware that rape is illegal.

 

[Westie]

This is just a convo on the IC, no one, at least from here, it trying to make her feel like it's her fault.

You don't know the woman's so I understand what you're saying but you also don't understand this is an anonymous Message Board where countless peeople have been through countless things that you'll never know. So while you're not telling her to your face your words are definitely saying she had taken part in this rape.

 

[7figz]

I wouldn't withhold the truth that she shouldn't have gotten drunk and passed out (even after she'd been raped).

And I still would go after the rapist and not give him any type of pass for what he did.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

This is just a convo on the IC, no one, at least from here, it trying to make her feel like it's her fault.

You don't know the woman's so I understand what you're saying but you also don't understand this is an anonymous Message Board where countless peeople have been through countless things that you'll never know. So while you're not telling her to your face your words are definitely saying she had taken part in this rape.

We all assume a female has some part in it or we wouldn't bother teacher females how to protect themselves. Don't get sloshing drunk. Don't pass out. Don't walk out late night alone. Don't be a dick tease... etc.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

And I'm not saying it's bad that we teach those things, we have to, because others refuse to be good human beings. But the underlying, meta message if you will, is she has some responsibility in what happens to her.

 

[Bussy_Getta]

Does anybody else read this weirdos posts in their entirety? Just curious.

Hell Naa. That's one persons posts I literally do not read.

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

I'm going to be very blunt with my daughter when she is off age.

The thing I don't get is... When given the chance some guys will rape. If you are passed out drunk, you just might be his target. Let's say he rapes you, he does 15 years in prison...

Do you still go to parties and gets passed out drunk?

No your entire life changes. Your normal sex life changes. You get scared to be around men and people in general a lot of shit happens after you get raped. Trust me this lesson you're trying to teach this woman she has already learned.

ETA some women do exhibit more promiscuous Behavior after being raped feeling that their body has no value because it was taken from them.

Exactly. What to do tell the next potential victim?

I have absolutely no problem and people talking to young women about things like this. I think there should be many programs designated to teach young boys and young women about the dangers of being in those situations. What I do not like is after the fact people making the victim feel like it was her fault she got raped and that is what some are doing.

Good post

 

[jono]

One thing that is never discussed when it comes to alcohol is that there is a science to drinking alcohol. Different people have different tolerances depending on size, how much alcohol in their system, the frequency of their intake and what's going on around them (whether they are sitting down or up dancing).

A 5'4 120lb woman is going to have a lowered tolerance than a bigger woman and a smaller one. Just about nobody knows their tolerance they just make estimates.

Its doubful the girl drank herself into unconsciousness, she would have died first. Its more likely that she had a few drinks but didn't feel the effects until she tried to walk, she got a few feet then all the alcohol kicked in and she conked out.

99% of people who drink to the point of falling asleep or involuntarily losing consciousness have no idea how it got so far.

People are almost always more drunk than they think they are. Which is why you get the "I only had one or two beers..." excuse all the time.

This idea that people are supposed to know this threshold off the top of their head is preposterous. Most people couldn't tell you how much alcohol is in the drinks they had, just how many of them they had.

My homeboy is about 5'7-5'8" 150lbs and two long island ice teas would have him on Zab Judah legs, and if he doesn't TASTE alcohol he believes the drinks are weak and drinks more. And its all good until he tries to walk let alone drive. This is a grown man (he's 33), been drinking since he was 16 so i can't imagine an early 20s kid knowing their limits.

There's alot of factors that go into alcohol consumption, its silly to think anyone would know this especially when in that atmosphere where people are feeding you liquor to keep the party going.

That definitely needs to be discussed, but i dont think it is GLOBALLY talked about because of it puts a bad mark on the alchohol industry.

"Drink responsibly" isn't enough. The vast majority of people "partying" are not drinking responsibly. Luckily there are "rules" in place, like the designated driver, and the various group rules i know females have; as i have both been out with females and approached females out in groups.

Almost all of these rape cases we speak about on this forum involve alchohol getting the best of someone, or multiple people.

But why do we only speak about the consumption of the victim, as if the guilty parties consumption doesnt have them making irrational decisions as well.

Its still a decision. People don't choose to pass out, its naturally occurring when you have too much alcohol in your system. Rape isnt.

 

[white sympathizer]

Who gives a fuck, drunk whores get fucked all the time

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Having daughters it disturbs my mind that I even have to teach them ways to protect themselves. Why should my daughter's love for sitting by the water front watching the moon on the water be infringed upon just because some asshole might come along and take advantage of her solitude and serenity?

I cannot separate that lesson from other lessons of things I've told them not to do because it might bring them harm. But they did some of those other things, but it came to head, as it does with a lot of other things, if they had listened, it probably wouldn't have happened.

But if it's rape, we all of the sudden remove all responsibility because she was severely violated, and is already suffering immense suffering, which is fine. It doesn't need to be told to her, because most likely, they already feel like they did play some part in it, and I'm saying they feel that way because in the beginning before any rape happened we gave them a bunch of ways to protect themselves as if they have some control over what someone else does to them.

 

[jono]

And I'm not saying it's bad that we teach those things, we have to, because others refuse to be good human beings. But the underlying, meta message if you will, is she has some responsibility in what happens to her.

This can be said about everything and yet its almost exclusively argued in rape scenarios. Does anyone want to venture an answer to why?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

And I'm not saying it's bad that we teach those things, we have to, because others refuse to be good human beings. But the underlying, meta message if you will, is she has some responsibility in what happens to her.

This can be said about everything and yet its almost exclusively argued in rape scenarios. Does anyone want to venture an answer to why?

I think that's backwards. With most things not crime related, we feel comfortable telling people they brought in on themselves. But when they are a victim it is quickly changed to 'its not your fault', 'you couldn't have stopped it' 'wrong place at the wrong time' and I think that happens that way because our compassion kicks in. Someone was hurt and they don't need more pain on top of that. Two, I think we all secretly know that they probably already are blaming themselves for what happened and really don't need someone else saying, mostly because its not even therapeutic to point it out.

 

[not_osirus_jenkins]

A women can't be held responsible for the actions of someone else against her. Any nigga that is even remotely blaming her is crazy as fuck.

 

[Westie]

And I'm not saying it's bad that we teach those things, we have to, because others refuse to be good human beings. But the underlying, meta message if you will, is she has some responsibility in what happens to her.

I disagree. You do not have responsibility for what someone else does ever. As human beings we should be able to control ourselves and anyone who can't is the problem.

 

[ShottaDaBeast]

So it wasn't her fault. The dude pursued her after being turned down by her earlier that night.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

Spoiler

The sentencing memo said that the victim's sister was "caught completely off guard" when Turner tried to kiss her the night of the assault. She alerted a friend after Turner grabbed her waist and later picked him out of a lineup as the "aggressive" man at the party.

Judge in Stanford rape case faces backlash

After being twice rejected by her sister, Turner went after the victim when she was "alone and inebriated."

Turner took the victim to a dimly lit, isolated area and sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster.

"This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey," the prosecutor wrote.

Another woman told investigators that Turner was "grabby" and "touchy," putting his hands on her waist, stomach and upper thighs when she danced with him at a fraternity party about a week before the sexual assault. The woman told police Turner made her uncomfortable.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

And I'm not saying it's bad that we teach those things, we have to, because others refuse to be good human beings. But the underlying, meta message if you will, is she has some responsibility in what happens to her.

I disagree. You do not have responsibility for what someone else does ever. As human beings we should be able to control ourselves and anyone who can't is the problem.

My point was.. we are indirectly telling females that they ARE somewhat responsible for what happens to them when we teach them ways to protect themselves as if they DO have some control over what someone else does to them.