So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[Westie]

You muthafuckers love playing dumb

So you nosigned a woman with dementia getting raped being untrue or that rapists are sick?

Nope

I'd like to be able to leave my doors unlocked but unfortunately there are people out there who will take my stuff when I'm not home. So because I know they cannot help themselves, for whatever reason they have, I have to lock my stuff up.

A lock doesn't always stop a thief from breaking into someones home and taking their stuff.

But they do keep " honest" people honest

So you saying you would rape a unconscious girl cause she left the door open?

No you're trying to say that. I'm saying protect what you value. You don't want people in your house, as a minimum lock your door. You want to minimize your chances of being assaulted, travel in groups, don't drink until you're barely conscious, get to know someone before you jump in their car.

Bruh, you said it keeps honest people honest. No honest person would take advantage of an unconscious girl no matter how much of a dumb ass she is.

It's a cliche bruh. I suspect you knew that but just wanna play semantics.

Ain't nothing semantic about rape bruh, no matter the situation. You basically saying put up barriers of prevention, but fuck all that, no matter the situation, rape is rape. At least when it can be proven.

Now you're doing too much. I don't even know what your argument is. I was very careful in using the word assault as opposed to rape. Ways to minimize chances of being assaulted are to put of barriers of resistance. It will not prevent assault, but perhaps make a person look less of a victim to predators.

Wtf does a victim look like?

So when an old woman in a nursing home with dementia is raped, what should she do for prevention? People do horrible things to all types of people, not all rapists have a dress code.

Do me a favor. Miss me with the bullshit scenarios. My statement was about minimizing risks. You say yourself "people do horrible things to all types of people " so how can you question me saying protect yourself?

That's an actual true scenario. Not only drunk chicks get raped. The point is, rapists are sick. It's not about how you look.

I no signed the bolded.

Rape of course is purely the rapists fault

Its not victim blaming to tell women to b careful and mindful

being beyond drunk passed out god knows where is NOT being careful and mindful

But just like u trying to say i ns'd u because of the reasons listed

U people in here are going to pick and choose out of the common sense that is being preached to yall, find an extreme and run with it.

Thats why im clicking reactions and not arguing with your dumbasses because plenty of people are making good enough posts already u fuckers just like to argue and play dumb.

Again.

RAPE IS THE RAPISTS FAULT

and no one is saying any different

As I've said 35x women are told to be careful and mindful, that being said people fuck up. So your point is you're more likely to get raped if you dress trampy? Is that what you think?

My point is u and other people like to argue, ignore common sense, pick and choose extremes(note the bolded) and prolong this discussion .

The fact that there are police and a legal system attests to the fact that: no we cannot control ourselves and not hurt each other in* some form or fashion.

So its human nature to harm others? Why don't most men rape then?

Yes it is. Harm does not mean rape specifically, or physically for that matter. Harming the psyche can be as bad as rape.

So most men want to rape then is that what you're saying it's in a man's nature to rape? Because that's what this thread is pertaining to.

Just because that is what this thread is pertaining too doesn't mean that's what I said. I said it's in our nature to harm. Please don't put words in my mouth. You don't like, why would you think others do @westie

I didn't put words in your mouth.

As u can see u r not just doing it to me ^^^

Y the hell would I argue with u dumbasses if yall keep going in circles and debating like fox news?!

Foh

Why are you so emotional? Who hurt you boo?

 

[Westie]

i mean its not her fault she got hit by a car.. i mean she didnt look both ways before jumpin into the street but drivers know pedestrians have the right of way...

The difference is that car has the right to be driving down the street. What man has a right to enter a woman's body without consent?

 

[deadeye]

Watching this show Ladylike on MTV.

It's basically about these 3 female comedians who're trying to promote gender equality and understanding about how women feel when the experience "street harassment."

Ironically, when they were catcalling dudes in the street.........none of the dudes were offended and they just pretty much laughed it off.

Which is hilarious because they were trying to show them how demeaning and horrible it is for females to go through what they experienced.

Then, these chicks stage a fall where everything in their bag falls out into the street........and they complain by saying that not one man stopped to help them pick up their things.

Which is another example of irony because......if they're truly trying to promote gender equality........then they shouldn't need or want a man to help them pick up their things.

Can't make this shit up.

 

[blackrain]

Constructive criticism on rape and domestic violence.... never thought the day

I'm as hoh as any nigga up here but this shit dont fly. The amount of alcohol one consumes should not justify or invite any action that is unwarranted and unwanted. Matter of fact any nigga that needs liquor and or drugs to loosen a woman's legs is a lame ass boy that needs to stay home.

And to the women in here, you have to admit rape and or sexual assault/domestic violence has become a weapon for women. Not saying ALL women do it but it's enough to where people will glance over it or disregard it initially. Is it right absolutely not, but we all know the story of the boy who cried wolf

Of course it shouldn't be justified or invite unwarranted actions against them, but the people committing these crimes obviously do not care about that one iota. So then what do we do? Educate everybody else who isn't like that how to protect themselves.

Thing is though you can do all the warning and protecting you want...if a dude wants to rape a woman he's going to try no matter how prepared she is. Most rapes aren't even like this case where a dude finds a chick passed out on the ground. Most rapes are committed by somebody the rape victim already knows. When you're around someone you know and trust you tend to let your guard down around them and trust they won't harm you.

 

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[blacktux]

No one is playing devils advocate, no one is defending the rapist.

Just saying, if you get drunk enough to pass out around strangers and get raped; there has to be some personal accoutability.

The very notion that you "should be able to pass out anywhere and wake up whole" is some fairytale shit.

 

[deadeye]

When isn't a rape a woman's fault to some of yall? I'll give you real life 3 instances from people I know:

1 woman walking home at night, a man with a knife jumps from the bushes, holds a knife to her throat and rapes her. She was walking home alone at night. Her fault?

1 girl goes home with a guy she was seeing. She was 16, he was in his 20s. He gave her alcohol, she was going to sleep with him. When she asked him to get a condom, he forced himself in her raw, held her down and raped her. Held a gun to her and told her he'd kill her if she said anything. She went home with a grown man. Her fault right?

1 woman had her house broken into by an ex she had recently broken up with. He came in through a window while she was sleep and raped her. Her fault for breaking up with him?

@Westie

It's not the woman's fault in any of those examples.

Now, there's nothing that could've been done to prevent the 1st and 3rd examples.

However, in the second example........again, it's not her fault...........but she might not have been in that situation if she hadn't made a decision to go home with an older man.

That's also the result of a lack of adult supervision as well.

But wait..........weren't you and @Kat in my thread a few weeks back saying that it was nothing wrong with teenage girls having sex???
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...at-one-of-the-young-ladies-at-my-church-is/p1

Told me to mind my business right?

Maybe the 16yr old who got raped could've benefited from the advice of someone who was concerned about her as much as I'm concerned about the young lady at my church.

But nah, all y'all wanna do is talk about how "creepy" it is for me to be worried about her.

Funny how your opinions can change when it's convenient for you.

 

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[BiblicalAtheist]

The original question was is the rape her fault? Saying it was her fault would, imo, imply she had some bearing on the actions of another. She did not make him rape her. The punishment falls strictly on him.

However imo she does have some responsibility to account for(and no one needs to point this out to her, it will come to her mind all by itself). The failure of responsibility to herself, to protect herself in a world that has people who will rape and kill her.

We cannot control them, that much is apparent. I don't know how much more evidence we need to convince us they aren't going to follow the rules and me must, unfortunately, conduct ourselves accordingly. Is it fair that we have to be a certain way just because someone doesn't want to follow suit and be a good human being? Fuck no it's not, it's total bullshit. But wtf are we going to do?

We put them jail, we give them therapy but they just keep coming.....

 

[CapitalB]

i mean its not her fault she got hit by a car.. i mean she didnt look both ways before jumpin into the street but drivers know pedestrians have the right of way...

The difference is that car has the right to be driving down the street. What man has a right to enter a woman's body without consent?

dont start no shit wont be no shit!

 

[deadeye]

Any constructive criticism you give a woman in cases of rape and domestic violence is considered "blaming the victim."

Sad commentary on society when people aren't able to accept good advice.

The best (most politically correct) way that I can describe what happened to her is:

It's definitely not her fault she got raped, but she probably wouldn't have been in a position to be raped if she hadn't been drinking so much.

All the feminists would claim that statement is an example of rape culture/rape apologists/victim blaming.......but it's a fairly accurate assessment of what transpired.

the purpose of saying that is???

@Westie

The purpose of saying that is to possibly prevent her from being in a similar situation in the future.

And I'm not necessarily talking about her getting raped again.

What if she drinks excessively, gets behind the wheel of a car, has a car accident......and almost dies as a result of alcohol poisoning and the injuries she suffered in the accident?

What advice could someone give her that might prevent her from being in that situation again?

 

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[BiblicalAtheist]

The original question was is the rape her fault? Saying it was her fault would, imo, imply she had some bearing on the actions of another. She did not make him rape her. The punishment falls strictly on him.

However imo she does have some responsibility to account for(and no one needs to point this out to her, it will come to her mind all by itself). The failure of responsibility to herself, to protect herself in a world that has people who will rape and kill her.

We cannot control them, that much is apparent. I don't know how much more evidence we need to convince us they aren't going to follow the rules and me must, unfortunately, conduct ourselves accordingly. Is it fair that we have to be a certain way just because someone doesn't want to follow suit and be a good human being? Fuck no it's not, it's total bullshit. But wtf are we going to do?

We put them jail, we give them therapy but they just keep coming.....

5 pages of people talking like the judge and father.

That's what we do though. We're humans. We talk about things, we judge things, we ponder them. Take our thoughts up against others. Find out what others think or what they might do. It's a therapy in some sense. Maybe not all topics could be considered 'therapy' but the fact that this can go back and forth with people trying to explain their perspective is important somehow.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

1.1k views, why is that? because this is topic of intense interest, for whatever reason people have to be interested in it.

 

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[BiblicalAtheist]

1.1k views, why is that? because this is topic of intense interest, for whatever reason people have to be interested in it.

Because they want to rationalise their behavior.

Ok well for fun I'm gonna be extreme like you in my statement and say: All the 1.1k views are from rapists trying to rationalize their behavior? Why are you and me in here then?

 

[deadeye]

It's definitely not her fault she got raped, but she probably wouldn't have been in a position to be raped if she hadn't been drinking so much. had brock turner left her the fuck alone

fixed

she didnt get raped because she was drunk. she was raped because someone decided to rape her

if alcohol was truly the problem, sober women would never get raped

Based on what I know about the Brock Turner case, it was a rape of opportunity.

Meaning, he saw a woman passed out behind a dumpster......and thought he'd found an easy victim.

If the girl hadn't have been passed out behind a dumpster, he wouldn't have seen her behind the dumpster.........because, obviously, she wouldn't have been there.

As a result, she wouldn't have been raped because she wouldn't have been passed out behind a dumpster where a rapist would've taken advantage of her condition.

 

[deadeye]

The only thing you tell the victim there are ways to lessen the risk but there is no guarantee. It's never the victim fault.

The problem is the fact that too many women think of the bolded as victim blaming instead of advice.

 

[blackrain]

No one is playing devils advocate, no one is defending the rapist.

Just saying, if you get drunk enough to pass out around strangers and get raped; there has to be some personal accoutability.

The very notion that you "should be able to pass out anywhere and wake up whole" is some fairytale shit.

Of course there's personal accountability but when it comes to rape that really ain't the time to tell somebody what they may have done wrong in a situation. It's really playing captain obvious for no real reason. Of course you shouldn't get blackout drunk and pass out in public...but raping somebody is a bigger offense than that so that why's it kind of pointless to try and play tit for tat with the personal accountability game on this one