So certain females are mad @ Jesse Williams for divorcing his wife & then supposedly upgrading to...

[Crude_]

IMO, the foundation of the outrage is far more superficial. It's not truly about a black man leaving a black woman for a white one. This issue was that many of these women were infatuated with this guy and saw his "average" looking wife and thought that they had a shot. Many women (and men) who claim to be "woke" subconsciously put a premium on whiteness, the closer to white the more attractive you are.

So you have this biracial black dude who made a pretty notable speech condemning systematic racism, with a average, everyday looking black women by his side and suddenly he's extremely popular. Furthermore, because he's "woke" and his wife looks like the way she does, there's no way he date a white woman, simply no way.

Now this guy leaves, and the wake up call was answered and all those women who put him up on a pedestal are pissed, not because they want to save the black family. Its because their "crush" don't like "plain jane" black women anymore...

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One of the better breakdowns I've ever seen here.

I disagree. What this person is saying is, Black women are superficial.

Black women and Black men are actually educated and experienced enough to know that the "premise" of Jesse's speech was factual therefore they agreed. FOH with this Black women were just starstruck so they went blindly along. It's a slap in the face and demeaning.

People can be educated and experienced and still superficial at the same time.

I love my sistas and there is nothing more beautiful than one with a good head on her shoulders but let's not act like men like Jesse are some hot commodity amongst Black women especially young ones.

To many of them have to get humbled by life before they appreciate what a man like him brings to the table in his attitude.

I've seen sistas with master's and Ph.D degrees getting outsmarted and falling for Negroes with a 10th grade education and that can't even put together a complete sentence.

They love them some well spoken polished Black men like a Barack Obama and Jesse Williams (before these revelations) for example, but most of the guys I personally observe a lot Black women around me dating are not of that mold. What they say they want and what they respond to are two different things.

 

[Undefeatable]

Sorry, but like I said in the other thread, his wife was letting herself go.

How could she do that when her husband was a major star? And expect him to stay with her?

Marrying black shouldn't have to mean marrying fat.

 

[AP21]

That MFer completely disregarded how the mother of his children might feel having to watch this garbage play out in front of the whole damn world. He's frolicking through the streets of Paris holding hands with this heifer, while STILL married!

My main complaint is his lack of concern in that regard. That's not how I expected a man that proclaimed to do better by black women to handle things. He fucked up.

let me ask you something

if they have been legally separated, do you still consider them to be married?

Absolutely.

People separate just to get back together all the time. Until they are legally divorced, they are married.

I know that's not how it always works, but at the very least he could have been more discreet. Like he actually gave af about someone other than himself.

i dont think thats an accurate portrayal kat

or let me use my limited scope to justify my pov

here in the state of La, once you have signed papers to start the divorce, you have a waiting period. During that time, you are free to do whatever it is you want to do except marry someone else b/c its against the law. So in the eyes of the court, you are free to start dating the moment you sign the divorce papers

as it exists today, in La, if you have no children, your divorce can be final after 180 days. If you have kids, they make you wait an entire year. There was a bill to reverse that and allow couples with kids to divorce after 180 days. Why? Because since its inception of the law that made couples with children wait a year, they found that a whopping ONE couple reconciled. If you wanna get divorced, its probably reached a point of beyond repair so aint no reconciliation for that. They cited that they found that couples were just ready to get it over and prolonging the period just made things worse for all parties involved, and it was costly af.

 

[Undefeatable]

I don't see a upgrade, and cause she white she supposed to be?

No, cause she's fat.

 

[Kat]

That MFer completely disregarded how the mother of his children might feel having to watch this garbage play out in front of the whole damn world. He's frolicking through the streets of Paris holding hands with this heifer, while STILL married!

My main complaint is his lack of concern in that regard. That's not how I expected a man that proclaimed to do better by black women to handle things. He fucked up.

let me ask you something

if they have been legally separated, do you still consider them to be married?

Absolutely.

People separate just to get back together all the time. Until they are legally divorced, they are married.

I know that's not how it always works, but at the very least he could have been more discreet. Like he actually gave af about someone other than himself.

i dont think thats an accurate portrayal kat

or let me use my limited scope to justify my pov

here in the state of La, once you have signed papers to start the divorce, you have a waiting period. During that time, you are free to do whatever it is you want to do except marry someone else b/c its against the law. So in the eyes of the court, you are free to start dating the moment you sign the divorce papers

as it exists today, in La, if you have no children, your divorce can be final after 180 days. If you have kids, they make you wait an entire year. There was a bill to reverse that and allow couples with kids to divorce after 180 days. Why? Because since its inception of the law that made couples with children wait a year, they found that a whopping ONE couple reconciled. If you wanna get divorced, its probably reached a point of beyond repair so aint no reconciliation for that. They cited that they found that couples were just ready to get it over and prolonging the period just made things worse for all parties involved, and it was costly af.

Okay cool story..what's that got to do with waiting until the divorce is final before being seen publicly with another bitch? I mean news of the separation and Minka Kelly dropped the same day.

 

[Shizlansky]

More crying about nothing.

 

[felliwonda]

so I had this arguement with my pops about this yesterday at work... He told us what's up with this dude he is so pro black but now he leaves his wife for a white chick so fuck him....

Am like so being pro black means you cannot practice intermarriage? What does him being pro black have to do with his personal life and or conjugal relationship?

I told him is bizarre. My pops (stepfather) is black and my Mom Hispanic. This man is very pro black but he married my Moms and had my little sister. Trust me when I say this is the best thing that could have happened to our family my moms is happy we have a great relationship they gave us our little sister I mean I could go on. So yesterday he told me this it baffles me I mean I gotta be missing something here yo I see nothing wrong with Jesse change of wife, that's a. Issue he has outside of his movement imo

There are Black Hispanics though. I don't know of any Black Whites. Not sure how your pops situation is the same.

Well my pops is Haitian and you probably know the history of Haiti and how proud a black people this is and let me tell you Haitian folks are true warriors when it comes to this but women or men it don't matter when you love some one looks and ethnicity goes out the window.

And as far as Black Hispanics look at the situation in DR for instance you got black men and women who want nothing to do with black period and as crazy as it sounds they are totally ignorant to pro black and or pro white pro Hispanic all of that...

Then again all through Latin America and throughout history you also had pro black activists,musicians athletes and so forth and so on who have intermarried.

There are many ignorant Blacks in the states that don't identify with their Blackness aka African Ancestry so the DR and Latin America as a whole isn't unique in that regard. I don't view Blacks that marry Blacks of a different nationality as intermarriage. If, you are saying your mom is a white Hispanic then I agree with your term of "intermarriage".

Yes my mom is white Hispanic. Although we have a big mixture in our family we are Nicaraguan so unless I was to tell you exactly what ethnic and cultural background embrace my bloodline you would look at my moms and say she is white hispanic. And no I didn't mean blacks that marry blacks of different nationalities I meant blacks intermarrying Latino women and or white Latino and so forth and so on.

 

[Undefeatable]

Personally any pro black person that dates non black people looks silly to me though

Exactly. Never mind what the new chick looks like or if she's perceived as an upgrade or whatever. This dude seems like he has no principles...and that lack of principle voids every word in his little BET speech

This shit makes no sense. So you honestly believe that he can no longer understand the racial injustices in the country and want to take a stance against those injustices just because he's dating a white chick?

I get it. If you're some kind of super militant/hotep ass problack person, it would seem odd for you to date outside the race. However, not everybody that is for the uplift of the black community falls into that category. Jesse didn't say anything in his BET speech that he needed to obsessively problack to mean. Hell, he didn't say anything that you have to be black to mean or understand. There are white people that think they same way. So are those white people not sincere when they go out and march at BLM or other rallies just because they are white? I'm confused.

I was gonna stay something like this. Being a strong advocate for racial justice does not make one a militant.

Shit should be obvious, but it isn't.

So the idea that this voids what he said in his BET speech is just plain dumb.

 

[AP21]

That MFer completely disregarded how the mother of his children might feel having to watch this garbage play out in front of the whole damn world. He's frolicking through the streets of Paris holding hands with this heifer, while STILL married!

My main complaint is his lack of concern in that regard. That's not how I expected a man that proclaimed to do better by black women to handle things. He fucked up.

let me ask you something

if they have been legally separated, do you still consider them to be married?

Absolutely.

People separate just to get back together all the time. Until they are legally divorced, they are married.

I know that's not how it always works, but at the very least he could have been more discreet. Like he actually gave af about someone other than himself.

i dont think thats an accurate portrayal kat

or let me use my limited scope to justify my pov

here in the state of La, once you have signed papers to start the divorce, you have a waiting period. During that time, you are free to do whatever it is you want to do except marry someone else b/c its against the law. So in the eyes of the court, you are free to start dating the moment you sign the divorce papers

as it exists today, in La, if you have no children, your divorce can be final after 180 days. If you have kids, they make you wait an entire year. There was a bill to reverse that and allow couples with kids to divorce after 180 days. Why? Because since its inception of the law that made couples with children wait a year, they found that a whopping ONE couple reconciled. If you wanna get divorced, its probably reached a point of beyond repair so aint no reconciliation for that. They cited that they found that couples were just ready to get it over and prolonging the period just made things worse for all parties involved, and it was costly af.

Okay cool story..what's that got to do with waiting until the divorce is final before being seen publicly with another bitch? I mean news of the separation and Minka Kelly dropped the same day.

b/c legally, he dont have to wait was my point and to dispel your notion that people separate and get back together all the time just isnt true

i am not one to question his moral compass but imo, he is within his legal right to be dating whomever he chooses

 

[Kat]

Man shut AP you gettin on my MFn nerves.

 

[AP21]

Man shut AP you gettin on my MFn nerves.

LMAO

i get it, you feel a certain type of way. You think he should lay low. I'm not saying you are wrong in your perspective, but im saying, he dont have to do shit. Now if he was around town gallivanting with the new chick while hurling shit at his soon to be ex, then thats a different discussion, but divorces are never pretty, especially when kids are involved

 

[Kat]

Of course he doesn't have to do shit. Hell, cheating ain't illegal. You know we talking deeper than that.

 

[AP21]

Of course he doesn't have to do shit. Hell, cheating ain't illegal. You know we talking deeper than that.

ok...i get your pov now

we good kat lol

 

[Undefeatable]

I don't really want to get into the muck and mire of all this but I do want to make a few statements.

1: His ex wife is not ugly. I don't know why this is somehow the narrative to run with.

2: Even if she was ugly (or your opinion is that she's ugly) what makes a person isn't on the outside anyway. The looks and the body are the first thing to go with age. You marry someone you're in for the long haul. At some point you gotta grow up and get over the looks.

3: If you consider yourself pro-black, you should have a black family. I'm not going to knock the nigga for dating a white woman though, because he knows her better than I do and she might be a dope ass white woman.

4: The chief issue I have with this is the concept that dude is "upgrading" to a white woman. This furthers the stereotype that white women are cultural trophies for niggas.

5: The white woman is actress. Any kind of beauty she has is manufactured by having personal trainers, make up artists and hairdressers making sure she's on point for these glamor shots y'all keep posting. If his wife was an actress and had access to all that assistance y'all probably wouldn't be calling her unattractive.

6: We don't know dude and his wife's relationship. Black or white when things get toxic or bad for you then its time to bounce. Also the nigga not obligated to date sisters. It should be preferred but he's not obligated.

His ex-wife-to-be is fat, this new woman is not.

FOH with not understanding why she is an upgrade. Her whiteness has nothing to do with it.

I also hate when negros act like whiteness in and of itself is an upgrade. But in this case she's an upgrade as far as looks go apart from her whiteness.

 

[Copper]

Alot of women have a do as we say not as we do stance on interracial couples

On the other hand OB the same one who has no problems with her scamming philandering old ass pastor.

She also meets white dudes off of POF

I didn't say I didnt have a problem with it. I said I wasn't leaving my church.

I haven't met any white dudes from POF. I've never been on POF in my life. It was one white man and it was OkCupid.

 

[Ajackson17]

Another reason why this is so relevant to ya'll.

 

[felliwonda]

I don't see the point in going on and on about being pro-black and trumpeting the black family while at the same time sleeping with and sharing your assets with non-blacks.

Being pro-black doesn't mean being anti anyone else. Being pro-justice is great, I agree with that too but I also believe in providing the world with good black role models and building a strong black family.

If one is black and marries a white woman that doesn't negate his blackness but it negates his belief in building the black family.

☝

 

[blackrain]

I don't really want to get into the muck and mire of all this but I do want to make a few statements.

1: His ex wife is not ugly. I don't know why this is somehow the narrative to run with.

2: Even if she was ugly (or your opinion is that she's ugly) what makes a person isn't on the outside anyway. The looks and the body are the first thing to go with age. You marry someone you're in for the long haul. At some point you gotta grow up and get over the looks.

3: If you consider yourself pro-black, you should have a black family. I'm not going to knock the nigga for dating a white woman though, because he knows her better than I do and she might be a dope ass white woman.

4: The chief issue I have with this is the concept that dude is "upgrading" to a white woman. This furthers the stereotype that white women are cultural trophies for niggas.

5: The white woman is actress. Any kind of beauty she has is manufactured by having personal trainers, make up artists and hairdressers making sure she's on point for these glamor shots y'all keep posting. If his wife was an actress and had access to all that assistance y'all probably wouldn't be calling her unattractive.

6: We don't know dude and his wife's relationship. Black or white when things get toxic or bad for you then its time to bounce. Also the nigga not obligated to date sisters. It should be preferred but he's not obligated.

I agree with this except the part about the upgrade. This I don't think is because ol girl is white but because some, keyword is some, think Lyla Garrity looks better.

 

[blackrain]

IMO, the foundation of the outrage is far more superficial. It's not truly about a black man leaving a black woman for a white one. This issue was that many of these women were infatuated with this guy and saw his "average" looking wife and thought that they had a shot. Many women (and men) who claim to be "woke" subconsciously put a premium on whiteness, the closer to white the more attractive you are.

So you have this biracial black dude who made a pretty notable speech condemning systematic racism, with a average, everyday looking black women by his side and suddenly he's extremely popular. Furthermore, because he's "woke" and his wife looks like the way she does, there's no way he date a white woman, simply no way.

Now this guy leaves, and the wake up call was answered and all those women who put him up on a pedestal are pissed, not because they want to save the black family. Its because their "crush" don't like "plain jane" black women anymore...

Women been on Jesse Williams for a while now. His speech at the BET Awards was just icing on the cake for their image of him but he been part of the Mt. Rushmore of "Woke Twitter" for a while

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Personally any pro black person that dates non black people looks silly to me though

Now tell me how your achievements for your race stack up to these silly people

i can still appreciate their achievements while still being of the opinion that it would be better for our community if we focused on the black family and building black love. the two are not mutually exclusive. saying that i think highly of some of their contributions does not mean i can't be critical of other actions they took. mfs on the ic never surprise me, it's like y'all can't comprehend the idea of having more than one opinion or nuanced opinions at the same time. it's quite possible, and if you can't see how that speaks to your level of intellect

Cosign Kai!

Add that to the fact that this nigga aint Sydney Poitier. He aint Belafonte either. He is a television series actor whose fundamental claim to fame has been a somewhat one trick pony role on an evening soap opera. That nigga cancelled in my book.

you all out of pocket for this and are soo off base

really surprised this coming from you tbh

Outta pocket how? I aint gotta fuck with Jesse Williams. I hope he goes on to do great things. I aint gotta fuck with him tho. What's it to you?

b/c your pov seems extremely limited

so what hes not Belafonte or Portier. NO ONE ELSE IS

thats the problem with black folks today

everyone is looking for the next Malcolm or next Martin...

dude legit trying to uplift black folks on the various platforms he has, but let it come out he is rumored to have marital issues and all of a sudden fuck him? really?

he's doing his part which is more than you can say for a lot of other people who have a platform equal or greater than his

i just thought your post was a bit baseless and disingenuous b/c the same people you are comparing him too are also actors and activists. I just didnt get your angle

You are taking it further than I am. Jesse Williams is cancelled in terms of like... "Ok nigga I see you". There are varying degrees of cancellation. Jesse is canceled indefinitely, pending further vetting. Chrisette Michelle is perma-cancelled. I dont think this invalidates his activism, but I don't gotta like it either and l don't wanna see his green-eyed, yellow face. They play the same games over and over. All these color struck, white girl chasing celebs can suck a nut. Get on my damn nerves

@obnoxiouslyfresh You're funny as hell. Lol