Skillz On BET Cyphers “I Never Thought It Was Possible To Lose That Much Respect.....

[beerisgood4ya]

^ Too bad he didnt rap it like he wrote it

Any rapper should atleast have a few shit they written, if they write their shit, they can spit when asked. Banks in this shit didn't freestyle off the dome totally on this

[video=youtube;iR-LX-QY1qs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-LX-QY1qs[/video]

according to some of these niggas logic, drake is a better rapper than banks because he can make catchy songs for the radio. smh....

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Was JUST about to argue his point. I'm by no means a Drake fan or anything like that but truth is you don't have to freestyle in order to be a good rapper. A rapper is someone who can write lyrics that rhyme, freestyle is coming up with lyrics right there on the spot and y'all can't expect everybody to do that or to do it good. Some artists need to write down their lyrics to really paint a picture and get a visual, some people might need to smoke weed, some rappers might not be able to come up with rhymes quickly etc. I've always thought that people put way too much emphasis on freestyles.

Bottom line can you rap good? Can you write a good song with some substance? Do you have a good catalogue? Who gives a fuck about a damn freestyle. Shit Nas is one of the GOAT's and he's not a good freestyler at all and almost always have pre-written shit, same thing with alot of our other favorites so it shouldn't be that important.

Nosign damn near everything you said. Especially the part about Nas not being a good freestyler. WTF?!?!

Btw freestyling is a HUGE part of emceeing. If you can't spit off the dome, you ain't one of the best, simple as that. If you can write good rhymes on paper, you can also come off the dome with some slick shit with a little concentration. To sum it up, the freestyling you're talking about is just memorizing rhymes no one has heard before.

my point in posting it was to show that alot of todays rappers dont care about being the best mc/rapper anymore. Mcs/rappers took pride in wanting to be the best back in the day, most rappers today just want the money and could careless about if they can actually rip a 16 or not. The pride factor that use to be prevalent in hiphop doesnt exist in this day in time. Drake proves my point in that video because he was too fucking lazy as a rapper to actually memorize his own damn 16. Then on top of that, he knows hes being tapped doing this lazy shit, and still dont give a fuck smh.... You would get called out and have your rapper card revoked for doing this back in the day, basically your career as a rapper would be over.

Cosign, too much hustle in us. We want the money, and no longer put the art-form as priority.

 

[patscorpio]

i feel what skillz has to say...its sad when most of these new rap nikkas cant commit a pre written 16 to memory much and knock it out in 1 or 2 takes if they're not going off the dome

 

[FlightKing]

Skillz still makes money in the industry, writing. No need to burn bridges and lose money for this shit. He did right.

 

[CirocObama]

like i said in my previous post, i hear some people call drake one of the best rappers/ mcs of today. Naw, drake is a good song writer, but he should not be put in the best rapper/mcs category if you as a rapper cant kill a 16 live and on the spot.....

Drake is def not one of the greatest or the best that's probably his own fans talking it happens with every popular artist. But i disagree with the kill a 16 on the spot thing why live? Like think how much sense that makes. Had you said "He should kill a 16 period" i would've agreed but live? You'd be suprised how many of the greats in hip-hop actually doesn't spit of the dome.

So Nas isn't one of the greatest because he can't freestyle on the spot even though he has claassic albums, classic verses, a long career and has made a huge impact on hip-hop? See that shit doesn't make sense at all.

No disrespect but to me you sound like those gay fan-boys that just wet themselves whenever they hear some rapper say "I don't write lyrics down on paper" like that shit really means something..like okay you have a good memory and that's it. Doesn't make you less of an MC if you actually do write it down.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

j.cole would actually bring some creditably to this watered down cypher....
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[video=youtube;jnqljav6wwa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnqljav6wwa[/video]

yea, like i said in the previous post, this cypher proves to me that hiphop is not competitive anymore, which is a fucking shame. When you step into any cypher with real mcs, you should already know to come with your a game, because your credibility is on the line as a rapper. Hiphop right now is what football would be if you couldnt tackle and be aggressive anymore.....soft, non competitive and less entertaining.

where's charles hamilton? Last time i saw that nigga he was battling serious jones in his barber shop. He needs to seriously be in a cypher lol.

 

[P. Town]

Well Damn!...

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

Drake is def not one of the greatest or the best that's probably his own fans talking it happens with every popular artist. But i disagree with the kill a 16 on the spot thing why live? Like think how much sense that makes. Had you said "He should kill a 16 period" i would've agreed but live? You'd be suprised how many of the greats in hip-hop actually doesn't spit of the dome.

So Nas isn't one of the greatest because he can't freestyle on the spot even though he has claassic albums, classic verses, a long career and has made a huge impact on hip-hop? See that shit doesn't make sense at all.

No disrespect but to me you sound like those gay fan-boys that just wet themselves whenever they hear some rapper say "I don't write lyrics down on paper" like that shit really means something..like okay you have a good memory and that's it. Doesn't make you less of an MC if you actually do write it down.

cosignature.

 

[Who Cares???]

They shoulda threw lil wayne in the cipher and completed the embarrassing clusterfuck. Like how many whiteboys are in this cypher? They should have cut 80% of that damn list.

J.Cole

Kendrick

KRIT

Vado

Wale

Banks

Fab

Kiss

Pusha T

There you have a mixture of old,new and people who wont make a damn fool out of themselves.

 

[CirocObama]

Nosign damn near everything you said. Especially the part about Nas not being a good freestyler. WTF?!?!

Btw freestyling is a HUGE part of emceeing. If you can't spit off the dome, you ain't one of the best, simple as that. If you can write good rhymes on paper, you can also come off the dome with some slick shit with a little concentration. To sum it up, the freestyling you're talking about is just memorizing rhymes no one has heard before.

Cosign, too much hustle in us. We want the money, and no longer put the art-form as priority.

Nas is not a good freestyler off the dome. We're talking off the dome here. Most of his shit is from unreleased songs or pre-written, get your facts right.

Yeah and so was battling, were's battling today? Breakdancing? Like i said if you wanna go by tradition then there's alot of other shit we could be concentrating on too not just that. But use your own brain, you don't require for a singer to come up with a song on the spot right? As long as her/his music is good and he has dope lyrics overall (on the spot or not) it shouldn't matter. Why is it then that most of the dopest freestylers have no classics albums, no impact on the game, mostly average 16's and shit?

Shit Royce Da 5'9 said himself that he's horrible at freestyling and even lost to Mistah Fab and shit..so that means he's not a dope MC because of that? That means he has no lyrics? That means that he can't kill Mistah Fab if he actually had time to write shit down? GTFOH

 

[PILL_COSBY]

yea these causal fans of hiphop who come and go as the wind blows fucks up the culture as well.

lol at most females and little kids.

cosignature.

Like the opinion from somebody from MISSISSIPPI matters when it comes to hip hop........

and lol at the dude in here claiming gods son is not a good at freestyle. That nigga either a 90's baby or don't know shit about nas career. please nobody else respond to this dude.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Nosign damn near everything you said. Especially the part about Nas not being a good freestyler. WTF?!?!

Btw freestyling is a HUGE part of emceeing. If you can't spit off the dome, you ain't one of the best, simple as that. If you can write good rhymes on paper, you can also come off the dome with some slick shit with a little concentration. To sum it up, the freestyling you're talking about is just memorizing rhymes no one has heard before.

Cosign, too much hustle in us. We want the money, and no longer put the art-form as priority.

"There are two types of freestyle. There’s an old-school freestyle that’s basically rhymes that you’ve written that may not have anything to do with any subject or that goes all over the place. Then there’s freestyle where you come off the top of the head"

Kool Moe Dee

 

[beerisgood4ya]

Drake is def not one of the greatest or the best that's probably his own fans talking it happens with every popular artist. But i disagree with the kill a 16 on the spot thing why live? Like think how much sense that makes. Had you said "He should kill a 16 period" i would've agreed but live? You'd be suprised how many of the greats in hip-hop actually doesn't spit of the dome.

So Nas isn't one of the greatest because he can't freestyle on the spot even though he has claassic albums, classic verses, a long career and has made a huge impact on hip-hop? See that shit doesn't make sense at all.

No disrespect but to me you sound like those gay fan-boys that just wet themselves whenever they hear some rapper say "I don't write lyrics down on paper" like that shit really means something..like okay you have a good memory and that's it. Doesn't make you less of an MC if you actually do write it down.

Where have you ever seen nas freestyle live on the spot with a blackberry or reading from his composition book filled with rhymes? A freestyle is nothing but free of style rapping off the dome or using prewritten lyrics, or just mixing both elements up to complete a 16. When i say rip a 16 live and on the spot, im sure nas could rap 16 fucking bars without reading from a got damn piece of paper or black berry. Drake looked like lame doing that, but im guessing you think he looked cool reading from a blackberry while freestyling. Bottom line, if your too fucking lazy to memorize your own fucking bars as a rapper, then i cant take you serious as a real mc/rapper. All that other gay shit you said at the end was for what, to prove what point, that you have homo thoughts on your mind?

 

[cobbland]

For That Many Rappers In 1 Day. I Saw 2 Rappers That Are All Over Blogs & Radio Start Over 64 Times!"

Skillz is veteran battle rapper who is used to being in being around and hearing other gifted MC's. What he witnessed while participating in the taping of the 2011 BET Hip Hop Awards cyphers has the Virginia rapper wondering where all the talent went.

Skillz told AllHipHop that he can't believe some of the rappers that he heard are actually popular.

“I never thought it was possible to lose that much respect for that many rappers in one day. These are the cats that are supposed to be hot?” Skillz asked. "None of them came there prepared. Well, I can’t say none of them, but a lot of them didn’t! Watching some of that sh*t was sad. I watched two particular rappers who are all over the blogs, mixtapes, radio, and magazines stop and start their verses over 64 times!! 64!! I stood there and counted, yo! Between the two of them, they started over 64 times!! We talking 16 bars, yo! And I don’t mean they messed up at the 14th bar and started over. You f*cked up at bar three! I mean, damn, did you write the verse??? Watching that sh*t was sad, ‘cuz let the web tell it, you’re the new hot kid on the block. But, what I saw didn’t represent that at all. I don’t know. I expected more, I guess. Like, know your verse. Come prepared. I felt bad for DJ Premier. He had to sit there through that and remain professional,”



While he didn't go as far as naming names, the awards show airs Tuesday October 11. So we won't have long to wait before we can decide for ourselves which big name rappers aren't as good as maybe we thought they were.

It would be impossible to know who Skillz is referring to before the show airs, but check out the list of MC's that participated in this year's cypher.

Slaughterhouse, Eminem, Skillz, Nitty Scott MC, Estelle, Meek Mill, Wale, Officer Ricky, Ludacris, Blind Fury, Kevin McCall, Chris Brown, Lady of Rage, Busta Rhymes, B.o.B., Yelawolf, Tech N9ne, Kendrick Lamar, Machine Gun Kelly, French Montana, XV, Wais P, Rico Staxx, Termanology, Sean Cross, Gilbere Forte, Chris Sutton and Jay Rock.

No Canibus?

Chino XL?

Pharoahe Monch?

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

lol at most females and little kids.

Like the opinion from somebody from MISSISSIPPI matters when it comes to hip hop........

and lol at the dude in here claiming gods son is not a good at freestyle. That nigga either a 90's baby or don't know shit about nas career. please nobody else respond to this dude.

u from the gay area tho.

your hottest lyricists are the new boys.

 

[Who Cares???]

Nah it wasn't Ross....

It was Wale, B.o.B & Machine Gun Kelly.

You gotta consider though.... that a lot of these niggas smoke A LOT of weed & do drugs. Shit like that gonna have an effect on your speech & memorization process.

Bullshit ass excuse. Drugs are sure as fuck not a new phenomenon. Rappers been killing cyphers while dependent on drugs for YEARS now.

 

[Daddy_PeaceBuck$]

One word. Laziness. Off the top or not you should be prepared to show and prove. Before I had to do a show I would practice my verses weeks in advance. Why? Cuz as an MC it's

fucking embarrassing to be in front of a crowd and forget the lines you wrote.

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

post some nas freestyles...

 

[beerisgood4ya]

where's charles hamilton? Last time i saw that nigga he was battling serious jones in his barber shop. He needs to seriously be in a cypher lol.

[video=youtube;7jEEIZqC0d4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jEEIZqC0d4&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;zztVYn6AweQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zztVYn6AweQ[/video]

i respect charles as a rapper/freestyler.....no blackberry!

 

[beerisgood4ya]

One word. Laziness. Off the top or not you should be prepared to show and prove. Before I had to do a show I would practice my verses weeks in advance. Why? Cuz as an MC it's
fucking embarrassing to be in front of a crowd and forget the lines you wrote.

they dont hear u though..... how do u even have the nerve to get in front of other mcs and a crowd and disrespect yourself first and foremost by not being prepared to freestyle if you call yourself a fucking rapper/mc smh.....if you just want to make raps songs, and dont freestyle, well dont step your goofy ass into a real cypher with other mcs/rappers who take pride in there craft as real rap spitters/mcs.