Singing "We shall overcome", toiling on the Democratic plantation

[Peace_79]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

What percentage of the black population benefits from gay rights??

More importantly, who within the black population DOES NOT benefit from gay rights legislation and women's rights legislation?

Well ...

According to official estimates from the US Census Bureau the Black female population in the United States is 23.5 Million.

This is 52% of the total Black population compared to Black males who make up 48% of the Black population.

They don't count though... so.

Speaking of African American women AND the African American LGBT community, It's interesting how combatting the DISCRIMINATION that they experience is an nuisance to you ... something that you cite as a disgrace or an obstacle.

So much so ... that, in your discourse, you literally EXCLUDE them from our race entirely.

Given the DISCRIMINATION Black people have faced and still face ... that's almost ... hypocritical

 

[SneakDZA]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

i wish i could teleport some of these motherfuckers to slavery times or even 50 years ago for just 2 days so we can all get on the same page about the hyperbole they spew and maybe start talking like adults.

 

[zzombie]

Black people have made progress but it's not the kind of progress people really want or really need basically it's just been social progress and social progress does not put any food on the table, doesn't Empower you you don't become wealthy because socially your ethnic group is now more accepted.

 

[xxCivicxx]

3. Asking for examples where examples have already been given (including by myself) in this thread is lazy / trolling / some other bullshit. You're asking for an example of how things could get WORSE - naming SLAVERY as the only way.

To be fair - he actually said earlier that

"Times of slavery were EQIVALENT, not worse, than the present day African American Experience"

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

Are black males still being lynched with no repercussions?

Are black Americans still last in terms of accumulated wealth

Do most black people still work for white people?

Do black people still fight wars for the same white people that refuse to give then basic human right?

Is unemployment still higher in black communities than the rest of the nation?

YES. The experience of black people today is identical to that of SLAVEs in the 1800s.

I remember, because that is when I withdrew my conversation with that individual.

And that is the shit being consigned in this thread...

I refuse to engage in that argument, my friend.

But best of luck to you!

Nah you're just not very intelligent and you're also disingenuous

I asked you what has gotten better since the END OF CHATTEL SLAVERY and you created YET ANOTHET STRAWMAN because you are unable to think if an intelligent response

So you ignored what I actually said and you created your own scenario for you to argue against

Please don't quote any more of my posts until you can think of an intellectual response thanks

Smh why are the most ignorant people often the most arrogant?

Lol. So now the insults come out.

But but but ...

Some of you idiots need to be purged. you know who you are.

Notice how its only certain people in here being ignorant and disrespectful like this post

I quoted our VERBATIM conversation ...

You literally said

"The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades"

I reminded you that African Americans gained the right to vote in 1869 ...

And gave you an opportunity to clarify your statement.

Your responded with a list of challenges, seemingly connecting the reality of SLAVES in the 1800s to the reality of Black people TODAY.

I took that Socratic response as your indication that you did indeed believe that TODAY we experience the "same shit" that SLAVES experienced in the 1800s.

Again ... Please feel free to clarify your statement.

But I didn't mince YOUR words - I merely re-posted them.

I didn't insult you, I stated a fact. You really aren't very smart at all, I've said this to you before in other threads.

And please quote me where I said that the black experience today is equivalent to the black experience during slavery thanks

You literally created that in your own mind. Rabid hillary extremist you're doing the exact same thing that trump extremists do

 

[xxCivicxx]

I voted today. I guess that means I won't be able to participate in any Black revolutions for the next 4 years, according to some of these dudes.

I think you're an intelligent poster so I truly believe that 1 day you'll get it

I don't feel that way about anyone else taking your position

 

[xxCivicxx]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.

I've asked this question more than 4 times in this thread now

What progress have we made since the END OF SLAVERY??

 

[xxCivicxx]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

What percentage of the black population benefits from gay rights??

More importantly, who within the black population DOES NOT benefit from gay rights legislation and women's rights legislation?

Well ...

This is 52% of the total Black population compared to Black males who make up 48% of the Black population.

The rest of your post was unnecessary

What rights do straight black males have? What rights have straight black males been given through legislation

No offense, but you must be either gay or a female since straight black male rights are irrelevant to you(even though these are the people that PERPETUATE THE RACE smh)

 

[Max.]

Member watergate

 

[Shizlansky]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.

I've asked this question more than 4 times in this thread now

What progress have we made since the END OF SLAVERY??

Bruh. You can't be serious.

 

[zzombie]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.

I've asked this question more than 4 times in this thread now

What progress have we made since the END OF SLAVERY??

We can shit in the same bathroom as white people and some of us can make a lot of money

 

[nujerz84]

So straight black men have no rights?

 

[Peace_79]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

What percentage of the black population benefits from gay rights??

More importantly, who within the black population DOES NOT benefit from gay rights legislation and women's rights legislation?

Well ...

This is 52% of the total Black population compared to Black males who make up 48% of the Black population.

The rest of your post was unnecessary

What rights do straight black males have? What rights have straight black males been given through legislation

No offense, but you must be either gay or a female since straight black male rights are irrelevant to you(even though these are the people that PERPETUATE THE RACE smh)

Talk about fabricating shit that I NEVER said.

I never said straight black male rights are irrelevant.

I actually have a great number of "RIGHTs" as a straight, black male - even the "basic human rights" which you earlier implied that Black people DO NOT currently have in America.

Just one example of the hyperbole that you have littered all over in his thread.

RESPECTING the rights of people different than me ... and considering BLACK PEOPLE to be ...

BLACK PEOPLE ...

does not mean that I neglect my own rights.

As a reminder - YOU have implied multiple times that Black LGBT rights and Black WOMEN's Rights ARE IRRELEVANT to you, by excluding them from he population of "BLACK people".

 

[Swiffness!]

I guess people feel strongly on both sides.

Can't convince them to vote and nothing I heard convinced me not to vote so fuck it.

Side notes tho -

- Some of y'all non-voting MFs low-key sound like y'all closet Trump supporters.

- You playin' yourself if you think whoever is elected can't make it worse for Black people.

Your issue is you think we're playing by your trivial restrictions, where we have to vote for either Trump or Hilary. For whatever reason you're ignoring the context.

A lot of us are saying we will never vote for Hilary due to the Clinton's track record of targeting and destroying the black community across the world. That's it.

Then most of us look at the other candidates and see that they're no good either, so we come to the conclusion that we will sit this one out and 'protest' the presidential election, because the candidates are shit. That way on the next election, all parties will see and understand that if you want the black vote, you have to make it worth our effort. We're done being the 'liberal', white man's lapdog. In the meantime, we'll work on creating our own power structures.

Just be real with yourself, you're simply okay with following white people's lead. It's okay, maybe you'll eventually see what's really going on, or maybe you'll be a pawn in their little game forever.

Actually in that scenario the party that wins (since one of them will win) will realize they don't need to give a shit about black voters and likely spend 4-8 years continuing to not give a shit about black voters.

And this brings us right back to "What exactly does not voting accomplish" outside of showing whatever party that wins that they can win without earning your vote as many in this thread have expressed is ultimately what they want? Sacrificing 4-8 years just so the losing party can do what? Alot can happen over the course of a presidential term. Is that 4-8 years worth the risk? That's the real question

If they can win without our votes then why do they go out of their way to campaign for our votes?

You do realize that somebody will win the election even if not a single black person voted, right?

Do you think whoever that may be would give two shits about the black vote other than how to keep making sure we don't vote at all?

It's obvious someone will win this election. The problem is whether black people vote or not, they're not going to do anything specific for us. So we're saying we will sit this one out, and since you're not doing anything for us, we will not give you our votes. Then they'll realize how much the black vote means and when they see how our votes can swing an election, we can approach them at a position of power and tell them if you want our votes we need xyz.

Most of the ones sitting it out probably weren't voting anyway. Who has gone from loyal partisan voter to "imma sit this one out" THIS year? The early vote totals are suggesting its gonna be >90% dem black vote just like every other year.

Picture that.

All that shit talkin and the black vote shakes out like it usually do.

I got a cut in the barbershop thats my polling place today, wasn't nobody talkin about superpredators, they were talking about punching Trump in the face lol

Internet makes people think their fringe opinions are more popular than they really are.

 

[5th Letter]

I guess people feel strongly on both sides.

Can't convince them to vote and nothing I heard convinced me not to vote so fuck it.

Side notes tho -

- Some of y'all non-voting MFs low-key sound like y'all closet Trump supporters.

- You playin' yourself if you think whoever is elected can't make it worse for Black people.

Your issue is you think we're playing by your trivial restrictions, where we have to vote for either Trump or Hilary. For whatever reason you're ignoring the context.

A lot of us are saying we will never vote for Hilary due to the Clinton's track record of targeting and destroying the black community across the world. That's it.

Then most of us look at the other candidates and see that they're no good either, so we come to the conclusion that we will sit this one out and 'protest' the presidential election, because the candidates are shit. That way on the next election, all parties will see and understand that if you want the black vote, you have to make it worth our effort. We're done being the 'liberal', white man's lapdog. In the meantime, we'll work on creating our own power structures.

Just be real with yourself, you're simply okay with following white people's lead. It's okay, maybe you'll eventually see what's really going on, or maybe you'll be a pawn in their little game forever.

Actually in that scenario the party that wins (since one of them will win) will realize they don't need to give a shit about black voters and likely spend 4-8 years continuing to not give a shit about black voters.

And this brings us right back to "What exactly does not voting accomplish" outside of showing whatever party that wins that they can win without earning your vote as many in this thread have expressed is ultimately what they want? Sacrificing 4-8 years just so the losing party can do what? Alot can happen over the course of a presidential term. Is that 4-8 years worth the risk? That's the real question

If they can win without our votes then why do they go out of their way to campaign for our votes?

You do realize that somebody will win the election even if not a single black person voted, right?

Do you think whoever that may be would give two shits about the black vote other than how to keep making sure we don't vote at all?

It's obvious someone will win this election. The problem is whether black people vote or not, they're not going to do anything specific for us. So we're saying we will sit this one out, and since you're not doing anything for us, we will not give you our votes. Then they'll realize how much the black vote means and when they see how our votes can swing an election, we can approach them at a position of power and tell them if you want our votes we need xyz.

Most of the ones sitting it out probably weren't voting anyway. Who has gone from loyal partisan voter to "imma sit this one out" THIS year? The early vote totals are suggesting its gonna be >90% dem black vote just like every other year.

Picture that.

All that shit talkin and the black vote shakes out like it usually do.

I got a cut in the barbershop thats my polling place today, wasn't nobody talkin about superpredators, they were talking about punching Trump in the face lol

Internet makes people think their fringe opinions are more popular than they really are.

That's nice but I'm not understanding how what you said correlates to the point I was making? How does black people voting in this election negates my point?

 

[SneakDZA]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.

I've asked this question more than 4 times in this thread now

What progress have we made since the END OF SLAVERY??

no offense but your life must truly suck if you even gotta ask that.

 

[blue_london]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.

I've asked this question more than 4 times in this thread now

What progress have we made since the END OF SLAVERY??

no offense but your life must truly suck if you even gotta ask that.

Lol do you think this is serious ?

It can't be

 

[the dukester]

What you pro-Hillary stans are really saying is......

You're scared to fight.

Voting for her means she's going to keep the status quo. In other words, it'll be just like a "3rd term" for Obama.

-Police still popping unarmed black men

-Public school to prison pipeline still going strong

-No black Supreme Court appointees

So that means you're okay with getting ignored AGAIN. While Hispanics get POLICY implemented, ditto with gays, white women, immigrants, and any other marginalized "non-black" minority group.

And you apolitical nig-nogs give your vote freely, without demanding substantive policy reforms.

A Trump presidency scares you because you've bought in to the Democratic narrative of the evil Republicans.

When these muhfuckas agree on policy in private, but squabble in public to give the illusion that the voting public has a real choice.

Exhibit A:

-They agree on Gerrymandering and redistricting, to make reelection easier for their candidates (haha, so they essentially choose their voters, instead of voters choosing them)

-Lobbying rules are agreed on by both parties. Making it easy to get large donations of corporate money (accepting gifts, trips, and meals is cool too).

White people do a great job of providing with one hand, as a ruse to steal with the other hand.

There's a reason why BOTH political parties don't want Trump to be President. The establishment wants to keep the corruption money train chugging along, and Trump is a threat to that.

Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

#SitThisOneOut

 

[playmaker88]

Kill yourself.

 

[Peace_79]

What you pro-Hillary stans are really saying is......

You're scared to fight.

Voting for her means she's going to keep the status quo. In other words, it'll be just like a "3rd term" for Obama.

-Police still popping unarmed black men

-Public school to prison pipeline still going strong

-No black Supreme Court appointees

More complaints.

No solutions.

Again, Hilary has comprehensive policies to address the bolded.

If you actually knew what Hilary's polices were ....

I would ask you WHY you believe they are DOOMED to fail and, if you had your ideal candidate, WHAT they would do differently that would be SO much more effective.

Next, I'd ask you how passively electing DONALD TRUMP would NOT WORSEN those issues ....

And Many more issues affecting the black community and America at large.

This notion that "things can't get worse" would be hilarious ... if it wasn't so serious.

Niggas already forgot how bad shit was just 8 years ago SMH.

A Trump presidency scares you because you've bought in to the Democratic narrative of the evil Republicans.

When these muhfuckas agree on policy in private, but squabble in public to give the illusion that the voting public has a real choice.

To say that the conservatives and liberals AGREE on policy ...

Is probably the most CATEGORICALLY FALSE thing I have seen in this thread.

And that is saying a lot ...

You clearly aren't paying attention.

 

[the dukester]

I didn't say Liberals and Conservatives. I said Democrats and Republicans.

Stop lying.