Singing "We shall overcome", toiling on the Democratic plantation

[blackrain]

I guess people feel strongly on both sides.

Can't convince them to vote and nothing I heard convinced me not to vote so fuck it.

Side notes tho -

- Some of y'all non-voting MFs low-key sound like y'all closet Trump supporters.

- You playin' yourself if you think whoever is elected can't make it worse for Black people.

Your issue is you think we're playing by your trivial restrictions, where we have to vote for either Trump or Hilary. For whatever reason you're ignoring the context.

A lot of us are saying we will never vote for Hilary due to the Clinton's track record of targeting and destroying the black community across the world. That's it.

Then most of us look at the other candidates and see that they're no good either, so we come to the conclusion that we will sit this one out and 'protest' the presidential election, because the candidates are shit. That way on the next election, all parties will see and understand that if you want the black vote, you have to make it worth our effort. We're done being the 'liberal', white man's lapdog. In the meantime, we'll work on creating our own power structures.

Just be real with yourself, you're simply okay with following white people's lead. It's okay, maybe you'll eventually see what's really going on, or maybe you'll be a pawn in their little game forever.

Actually in that scenario the party that wins (since one of them will win) will realize they don't need to give a shit about black voters and likely spend 4-8 years continuing to not give a shit about black voters.

And this brings us right back to "What exactly does not voting accomplish" outside of showing whatever party that wins that they can win without earning your vote as many in this thread have expressed is ultimately what they want? Sacrificing 4-8 years just so the losing party can do what? Alot can happen over the course of a presidential term. Is that 4-8 years worth the risk? That's the real question

If they can win without our votes then why do they go out of their way to campaign for our votes?

You do realize that somebody will win the election even if not a single black person voted, right?

Do you think whoever that may be would give two shits about the black vote other than how to keep making sure we don't vote at all?

It's obvious someone will win this election. The problem is whether black people vote or not, they're not going to do anything specific for us. So we're saying we will sit this one out, and since you're not doing anything for us, we will not give you our votes. Then they'll realize how much the black vote means and when they see how our votes can swing an election, we can approach them at a position of power and tell them if you want our votes we need xyz.

The whole concept of they will realize they have to earn our votes will only work if there's no winner. As long as you can win without a certain demographic why would you ever think you need to earn their vote?

 

[playmaker88]

Instead of doing nothing we should be more into politics instead of running away from it

You got niggas that say protesting does nothing... they dont vote.. voting does nothing

common thread those niggas dont want to do.... nothing..

 

[xxCivicxx]

According to your theory after 8 years of Obama the GOP should be on their best "let's cater to black voters" behavior this election.

But I guess I just live in some alternate reality where that clearly isn't fucking happening.

no U FUCKIN IDIOT..

why would they do that when niggas went out IN DROVES to vite for that fuck nigga!!?

they stil still know yall some battered bitches wit yall votes.. go vote democratic regardless..

Trust me... I get what you're saying (it's not a very sophisticated concept). It's just not grounded in reality or any type of historical evidence.

If every marginalized group in this country used that childish tactic the only people voting would be straight white males. Last time shit was like that niggas was toiling on for real plantations not imaginary Democrat ones.

I'll pass on the for real plantations, thanks.

Smh other minorities do use this tactic

White people do too

 

[xxCivicxx]

I guess people feel strongly on both sides.

Can't convince them to vote and nothing I heard convinced me not to vote so fuck it.

Side notes tho -

- Some of y'all non-voting MFs low-key sound like y'all closet Trump supporters.

- You playin' yourself if you think whoever is elected can't make it worse for Black people.

Once again, what does Hillary's political history have to do with Trump?

How can things get worse for black people besides bringing back chattel slavery?

Why do y'all speak in such vague generalities when we're posting hard facts?

Where did I mention anything about Hillary's political history and Trump ?

And when was there ever a situation anywhere where shit couldn't get worse ? Only a naive person thinks like that.

As far as examples, they're in the thread. Like I said, I'm good on tryin' to convince people.

This entire thread is full of different posters posting facts about the corruption of the clintons. Instead of addressing what is posted, you and other posters keep saying "you guys must like trump" which is a complete strawman and irrelevant to the historical facts being posted about hilllary.

You guys are literally the only people consistently bringing trump up in this thread, the title has nothing to do with trump

@italicized: I'm just asking you to back up/support a statement you made. No one in this thread has had a valid response to the question "how can things get worse for black people" that I've read. If so please point out the post and I'll respond to it

But if you're calling me naive then I'm gonna have to ask you to support your statement with evidence

Gonna put this as succinctly as I can:

1. The opening post mentions Trump so miss me with that 'other people are bringing Trump into it' shit.

2. If TS (or whoever) is going to classify everybody voting for Hillary, as somehow Democratic slaves working on a plantation, then an obvious response is going to be questioning the alternative of voting "democrat" for this election.

3. Asking for examples where examples have already been given (including by myself) in this thread is lazy / trolling / some other bullshit. You're asking for an example of how things could get worse - naming slavery as the only way. That shit is just plain stupid and that's why nobody's responding anymore. I personally already responded - without wasting my time giving an example, because shit could ALWAYS get worse... in ANY situation. Shit, as a matter of fact I did give an example and I think you even replied to it. SMH

Some MFs responding to that "closet Trump supporter" shit like it had they name on it. I said "some". If it ain't you, then pretty much why the fuck would you claim the crown ? Shit is a waste of time.

Yo @2stepz_ahead, this the type of shit you should have debates on.

So you still cannot answer how things can get any worse for black people

Nothing in the OP says "support trump"

 

[Undefeatable]

Sigh. People say politicians have to earn your vote. Even if that is true, only ONE candidate has sincerely been trying to earn your vote, and that candidate is Hillary. And not just recently either.

Trump didn't do shit before September, and even when he did that was to make himself look good to moderate whites. And he still hasn't made any detailed proposals as far as i know.

 

[5th Letter]

I guess people feel strongly on both sides.

Can't convince them to vote and nothing I heard convinced me not to vote so fuck it.

Side notes tho -

- Some of y'all non-voting MFs low-key sound like y'all closet Trump supporters.

- You playin' yourself if you think whoever is elected can't make it worse for Black people.

Your issue is you think we're playing by your trivial restrictions, where we have to vote for either Trump or Hilary. For whatever reason you're ignoring the context.

A lot of us are saying we will never vote for Hilary due to the Clinton's track record of targeting and destroying the black community across the world. That's it.

Then most of us look at the other candidates and see that they're no good either, so we come to the conclusion that we will sit this one out and 'protest' the presidential election, because the candidates are shit. That way on the next election, all parties will see and understand that if you want the black vote, you have to make it worth our effort. We're done being the 'liberal', white man's lapdog. In the meantime, we'll work on creating our own power structures.

Just be real with yourself, you're simply okay with following white people's lead. It's okay, maybe you'll eventually see what's really going on, or maybe you'll be a pawn in their little game forever.

Actually in that scenario the party that wins (since one of them will win) will realize they don't need to give a shit about black voters and likely spend 4-8 years continuing to not give a shit about black voters.

And this brings us right back to "What exactly does not voting accomplish" outside of showing whatever party that wins that they can win without earning your vote as many in this thread have expressed is ultimately what they want? Sacrificing 4-8 years just so the losing party can do what? Alot can happen over the course of a presidential term. Is that 4-8 years worth the risk? That's the real question

If they can win without our votes then why do they go out of their way to campaign for our votes?

You do realize that somebody will win the election even if not a single black person voted, right?

Do you think whoever that may be would give two shits about the black vote other than how to keep making sure we don't vote at all?

It's obvious someone will win this election. The problem is whether black people vote or not, they're not going to do anything specific for us. So we're saying we will sit this one out, and since you're not doing anything for us, we will not give you our votes. Then they'll realize how much the black vote means and when they see how our votes can swing an election, we can approach them at a position of power and tell them if you want our votes we need xyz.

The whole concept of they will realize they have to earn our votes will only work if there's no winner. As long as you can win without a certain demographic why would you ever think you need to earn their vote?

It goes back to my original question. They obviously can win without our votes but why do they lobby for it then? As long as they go as hard as they do to lobby for our votes then it's only fair to ask for something in return. If they stop lobbying for our votes then fine, because either way they weren't doing anything for us.

 

[xxCivicxx]

3. Asking for examples where examples have already been given (including by myself) in this thread is lazy / trolling / some other bullshit. You're asking for an example of how things could get WORSE - naming SLAVERY as the only way.

To be fair - he actually said earlier that

"Times of slavery were EQIVALENT, not worse, than the present day African American Experience"

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

Are black males still being lynched with no repercussions?

Are black Americans still last in terms of accumulated wealth

Do most black people still work for white people?

Do black people still fight wars for the same white people that refuse to give then basic human right?

Is unemployment still higher in black communities than the rest of the nation?

YES. The experience of black people today is identical to that of SLAVEs in the 1800s.

I remember, because that is when I withdrew my conversation with that individual.

And that is the shit being consigned in this thread...

I refuse to engage in that argument, my friend.

But best of luck to you!

Nah you're just not very intelligent and you're also disingenuous

I asked you what has gotten better since the END OF CHATTEL SLAVERY and you created YET ANOTHET STRAWMAN because you are unable to think if an intelligent response

So you ignored what I actually said and you created your own scenario for you to argue against

Please don't quote any more of my posts until you can think of an intellectual response thanks

Smh why are the most ignorant people often the most arrogant?

 

[xxCivicxx]

You rabid Hillary zealots are literally no different than rabid trump zealots

 

[SneakDZA]

you guys are in here arguing with these imps....

i'm bowing out gracefully. i'm too sober for this shit right now.

 

[Peace_79]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

 

[xxCivicxx]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

What percentage of the black population benefits from gay rights??

More importantly, who within the black population DOES NOT benefit from gay rights legislation and women's rights legislation?

 

[Peace_79]

3. Asking for examples where examples have already been given (including by myself) in this thread is lazy / trolling / some other bullshit. You're asking for an example of how things could get WORSE - naming SLAVERY as the only way.

To be fair - he actually said earlier that

"Times of slavery were EQIVALENT, not worse, than the present day African American Experience"

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

Same shit here. .

I just want to know if 0% of black people vote what changes?

only one way to find out..

Well considering we couldn't vote for over the first 100 years of this country's existence I say we already know

Yup

The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades

We received our right to vote in 1869.

We are experiencing the "same shit" we were experiencing in 1869?

Are black males still being lynched with no repercussions?

Are black Americans still last in terms of accumulated wealth

Do most black people still work for white people?

Do black people still fight wars for the same white people that refuse to give then basic human right?

Is unemployment still higher in black communities than the rest of the nation?

YES. The experience of black people today is identical to that of SLAVEs in the 1800s.

I remember, because that is when I withdrew my conversation with that individual.

And that is the shit being consigned in this thread...

I refuse to engage in that argument, my friend.

But best of luck to you!

Nah you're just not very intelligent and you're also disingenuous

I asked you what has gotten better since the END OF CHATTEL SLAVERY and you created YET ANOTHET STRAWMAN because you are unable to think if an intelligent response

So you ignored what I actually said and you created your own scenario for you to argue against

Please don't quote any more of my posts until you can think of an intellectual response thanks

Smh why are the most ignorant people often the most arrogant?

Lol. So now the insults come out.

But but but ...

Some of you idiots need to be purged. you know who you are.

Notice how its only certain people in here being ignorant and disrespectful like this post

I quoted our VERBATIM conversation ...

You literally said

"The SAME SHIT happening before we could vote is happening after we've been voting for decades"

I reminded you that African Americans gained the right to vote in 1869 ...

And gave you an opportunity to clarify your statement.

Your responded with a list of challenges, seemingly connecting the reality of SLAVES in the 1800s to the reality of Black people TODAY.

I took that Socratic response as your indication that you did indeed believe that TODAY we experience the "same shit" that SLAVES experienced in the 1800s.

Again ... Please feel free to clarify your statement.

But I didn't mince YOUR words - I merely re-posted them.

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

Niggas reaching like plastic man in this bitch

 

[zzombie]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

Gay black people aren't really black they are LGBT above anything else

 

[Peace_79]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

Gay black people aren't really black they are LGBT above anything else

So you speak for all gay people now?

What's your excuse for women not being "Black people".

 

[zzombie]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

Gay black people aren't really black they are LGBT above anything else

So you speak for all gay people now?

What's your excuse for woman not being "Black people".

I didn't say anything about women but i love women

but as for faggots I personally no longer consider them black because they identify with their sexuality above anything else.

 

[Peace_79]

I couldn't not vote...too much local shit on the line down here

thats fine..

vote that then..

shit thats gonna have an affect on ur day to day life like smokin pot and shit..

BUT THESE TWO MUTHAFUCKAS!!?

That's what I'm saying...irdc who wins outa these two...not enough to vote for either at least. Somebody in here really asked what is hillary gonna do to make it better for all black people....like any president has ever made every person in a certain group's life better by doing anything....if your life doesn't get better in 4 years that's on you not the president.

You are making too much sense

Wait so Obama didn't pass laws that directly benefitted gay people and females?

So now there are no BLACK gay people and females?

Gay black people aren't really black they are LGBT above anything else

So you speak for all gay people now?

What's your excuse for woman not being "Black people".

I didn't say anything about women but i love women

but as for faggots I personally no longer consider them black because they identify with their sexuality above anything else.

Lol

I respect your honesty. It's a good thing that you are not president, though.

Because it requires you to care about ... and work to pass legislation for people that are different than you... and even people that you don't like.

 

[Shizlansky]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

 

[7figz]

I voted today. I guess that means I won't be able to participate in any Black revolutions for the next 4 years, according to some of these dudes.

 

[Peace_79]

I can't believe we made no progress since the slave days.

There is someone who would love to discuss that with you.