Since when did blasphemy become the standard in hip hop?

[BlackxChild]

So if a nigga don't "praise god" in his acceptance speech, he's blasphemous? Is god on the fuckin Grammy board? God giving out BET and MTV awards?

God gave the talent, drive and hard work to write those rhymes, stay up all night in the studio to create great music, reap the benefits off it to get out whatever negative situation they've been in before they made it and to help their homies/associates. So basically you have those that thank The Most High is actually genuine with it...everyone seem to forget it was Hip Hop that saved some lives.

So a invisible man in the sky is the reason you work hard now, and you have nothing to do with it?

 

[The_Man]

talk shit about muslims and there will be murders, talk shit about christianity and they will forgive you lol

 

[hiphop12345]

DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, WE ALL ARE STILL GODS CHILDREN

Matthew 5:45

45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

THEY MAY NOT ACKOWLEGE HIM, BUT THERE PROSPERITY COMES FROM GOD

Do you remember this when you go to your barber or do you just cherry pick your bible verses?

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

Leviticus 19:27

Lol @ these comments.

You got a gay ngga singin 'What's a God to a non-believer' and yall bat not 1 eye?

lol Like i said...i can only worry about my own path, but i be damned if i dont see whats goin on

and you got these gay guys telling God is everything. What's your point, you think there isn't tstraight people who don't believe in the god(s) delusion?

There's all sorts of wild shit in the Bible...like the verse that states a woman needs to ask permission to speak in the presence of men lol...

and you notice these guys are avoiding that verse like the plague. Something as simple as that verse which is just as silly but not as horrible as other writings in the Bible like the one you brought up and so many others.

If you're a man of Character your women will follow your lead and still be they own individual.

The Bible writers didn't even know the earth is not flat. O my bad, I'm sure that's just a snare and trap to get people like me(use common sense) to burn for eternity(Damn not a year, or 5 or 20 but forever? Forever ever?)

DoUwant2go2Heaven? those verse don't mean anything.

Your posting verses from the Old Covenant. The law. A law that was given to the nation of Israel. A law that even they couldn't keep. If you live under the law and break even 1 of the 613 laws contained in it, you were guilty of breaking the whole law and thus under a curse. For cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. So if you want to live under the law be my guest!

But thank God for the LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Why? Because:

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:13-14

Hallelujah!

Matthew 5:17.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

^^Jesus saying he didnt change the law and of course:

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.-Malachi 3:6

^^Here's your god saying he never change. So he's either a lair or realize he was wrong which doesn't

If you read the whole verse of Matthew 5:17 it tells you at the end what He did with the law, He fulfilled the law. How did He do it? By keeping the whole law! He never sinned! Thus Jesus Christ became the passover lamb. The sins of humanity was placed upon Him because He had no sin in Himself. Thus God shed His blood so that all who come to Him by faith can be forgiven of their sins forever.

And yes God doesn't change. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever. And because that is the case, sin MUST be paid for. God provided the payment for sin through His Son, Jesus Christ. His sinless, pure, and holy blood was shed for the remission of sins for all who believe. But if you will not accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on your behalf, you must pay your sin debt on the day of judgment. And all accounts will be paid in full without partiality, leniency, or bribery. Read Revelation 20:11-15. Amen.

Nah nigga the laws didn't change. Also why in the world would the killing of a man who knew he was going to comeback because he's immortal be considered a great sacrifice or a sacrifice at all?

ShiveDreadz, I think this guy really believe the stuff he writes.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

yo i got a lot of religious family members dat "last days" shit has been thrown around way too much eva since 06 let niggaz live man lol

06? Shit if you read the Bible the last days has being predicted for thousands of years now...every year is the "last year" and "God's day of reckoning"

06 was just da year where they took it too far especially wit da June 6,06/ 666 shit lol i remember people handin me papers bout preparing for god to come back nd all dat shit nd dat may 21st bullshit from a year or 2 ago its like damn bad things been happening for years but when sumthin bad happens now its " its the last days" "this generation is hopeless" "the apocolypse is comin" " u can see seasons changin" im like gtfoh nd let us live our life lls

A proper perspective is needed my brother. Blackrain was right. The last days have been around since the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In the eyes of God 1 day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like 1 day. So if we have the mind of Christ dwelling in is, we understand that the fulfillment of Gods plan and purpose for humanity is almost here. The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead highlighted that fact. The resurrection fulfilled the promise God gave to mankind in the Garden of Eden, when He judged satan and told Him that a Savior was coming to crush his head. Thus, the only thing left know is to usher in Gods kingdom which will be consummated at the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!

i've heard dis shit due to my family smh i cant get into religion man its a lot of ridiculous stories nd rules dat last days predictions gotta stop let us live our life without pointin out da negative all da time

I can't get into religion too my friend. It's not about religion to me, it's about a living, thriving, and personal relationship with the King of the Universe, Jesus Christ. That's deeper than religion my brother. That's communion and fellowship with the maker of everything we see and don't see. Fellowship with the King transcends religion my brother. It penetrates the deepest crevices of my soul. It strikes the very being of who I am. God speaks to me daily my brother and words can never describe what a joy it is to be at peace with God. Hallelujah!

stories from thousands of years ago dat took place in da middle east just dont do anything for me man

Where the stories originated is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The central message of the word of God is the story of the redemption of fallen man by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible is all about. While telling the story, the lives of human beings who have fallen are given in vivid detail in order to illustrate how fallen mankind is and how Jesus Christ came to redeem the brokenness that has plagued the human family since our fall in the Garden of Eden. All of our stories are written in the word of God my brother, we just have to humble ourselves and let the Spirit of God teach us about it.

And FYI, the stories and prophecies in the bible not only take place all over the world, but in heaven and hell itself. The bible gives us glimpses into the spiritual world, into the realm of the dead, into the millennial kingdom, and into the new heaven and new earth. So to say that it all just takes place in the middle east is very limiting to the actuality of what's really true.

 

[Cocoa_Butter]

Niggas rap about killing, fuckin hoes, materialism and slangin yay. No problem. Throw some Jesus in there, and niggas go on a hip hop inquisition.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Lol @ these comments.

You got a gay ngga singin 'What's a God to a non-believer' and yall bat not 1 eye?

lol Like i said...i can only worry about my own path, but i be damned if i dont see whats goin on

Since when was music always done from a 1st person perspective? Niggas keep dropping Jay's name and his songs when he's said multiple times he believes in God...even addresses it in Decoded where he states many times he believes in God

Lmao Gtfoh with that copout

If Jay can simultaneously believe in God but then say the shyt he says, that's him. It all comes back to my point on not worrying about anyone else's path, but I WILL ACKNOWLEGDE WHAT I SEE.

Mind you, we not talkin rappers rapping about sin, b/c we all sinners- I'm talkin specifically about blasphemy

Dont insult my intelligence with that 'artistic expression' shyt

So you're discussing the subject of religion in music, which is an art, but don't want to acknowledge that at times that very art is simply an expression of a thought or an idea...not a belief you may have, but an idea sparked by anything? That's not a good way to debate...Ask any artist, writer, painter, musician, etc...ANYTHING can spark a creative moment...from a simple word said to a random ass thought...rappers, the good ones, at the end of the day are writers...so any random convo can spark a song/lyric idea...doesn't mean what they write or record is what they believe, but sometimes you write shit not from your own perspective...saying that isn't a cop out, it's an truthful statement that not every writer is writing solely from their own experiences or thoughts...you grab ideas and concepts from all over...especially once you start traveling, studying, and being introduced to different cultures and schools of thought...

And for you, and some other posters to say you believe in God, yet be so judgmental, dismissive, and downright insulting to those who either don't share your beliefs or questions them, it easily opens you up to being criticized as to how closely you're following the very beliefs you get on others for rejecting. Isn't God about loving, unity, and togetherness? This thread got folks who say they believe in God behaving and speaking in a very ungodly way to defend their beliefs...that's hypocrisy

'Music is an expression' has morphed into a catch-all to excuse all BS statements in hip hop. Lil Mouse's manager used 'music is expression' as the excuse to why an 8 yr old kid is talkin about killin folk. Please stop insulting my intelligence.

Plus, let me break this down for you:

Blasphemy-irreverence toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs.

irreverence-1. Lack of reverence or due respect. 2. A disrespectful act or remark

"Barrell in my apparel that can stop God"-Jay Z (just 1 example)

THE REMARK ALONE IS BY DEFINITION BLASPHEMY! Whether he believes in God or not! 'he just expressin art' Git outta here Lol

At what u said in bold, *yawn*- Goodness man, thats such a typical statement in a 'believer vs non-believer' argument. I say i believe, and it morphs into 'why you judgin , thats hypocrisy, blah blah'. What you expect me to coddle you into a believer? I said i am a Christian, its not my fault if perhaps you (and many) take that to mean 'they think they perfect- urgh, i'll prove them wrong'. No.

You believe what you want, I've given scripture in this thread, i've given examples, but i have not judged, i've only acknowlegded what i see. If my debating style is too dextrous for you my dude, well damn, I'm sorry Lmao

I haven't stated whether or not I believe in God in this discussion, you're assuming I don't and once again wrong...I didn't mention one time being perfect or attempting to be perfect so once again you're assuming wrong...I know what blasphemy means...I went to Catholic school from K-10th grade so trust and believe if nothing else I HAD to study religion, the Bible, and what it means for years. It was the very basis of my education because that's how Catholic schools operate. Lil Mouse's manager, even though what that kid s rapping about shouldn't be allowed anywhere, is by definition an expression of whoever wrote those lyrics thoughts at the time they were writing them....never did say that the art was good, should be emulated, or even listened to but it fits the definition of it whether you like it or not. As far as the Jay-Z lyric you used, yeah by definition it's blasphemy, but again by sinning alone that's a lack of due respect for God by doing something you know wouldn't sit right in his eyes so what puts you on a level to judge another person? You acknowledge what you see yet you ignore the numerous examples of Jay stating he believes in God solely to further the argument that he doesn't? That's bad debating skills. That's the basis of my debate, nobody fit to judge anybody else, yet you and many other Christians of all denominations love to sit on a high horse and tell others what they're doing wrong. That by definition is not a Christian thing to do, but a thread was made based on doing just that.

Pointing out the truth of something is not the judgment of condemnation, which only God has the right to judge. But rather, it is the judging of seeing things how they really are and pointing it out. Jesus Christ even tells us to do that in the scriptures. He tells us to judge righteously!



"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24

Blasphemy comes from the heart as the scripture states, so if we are going to judge righteous judgments we have to see and hear what people are saying over the course of time. And the evidence of what certain people have said in regards to God and the LORD Jesus Christ over time certainly gives people ground to call people out for what they truly are.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, WE ALL ARE STILL GODS CHILDREN

Matthew 5:45

45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

THEY MAY NOT ACKOWLEGE HIM, BUT THERE PROSPERITY COMES FROM GOD

Do you remember this when you go to your barber or do you just cherry pick your bible verses?

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

Leviticus 19:27

Lol @ these comments.

You got a gay ngga singin 'What's a God to a non-believer' and yall bat not 1 eye?

lol Like i said...i can only worry about my own path, but i be damned if i dont see whats goin on

and you got these gay guys telling God is everything. What's your point, you think there isn't tstraight people who don't believe in the god(s) delusion?

There's all sorts of wild shit in the Bible...like the verse that states a woman needs to ask permission to speak in the presence of men lol...

and you notice these guys are avoiding that verse like the plague. Something as simple as that verse which is just as silly but not as horrible as other writings in the Bible like the one you brought up and so many others.

If you're a man of Character your women will follow your lead and still be they own individual.

The Bible writers didn't even know the earth is not flat. O my bad, I'm sure that's just a snare and trap to get people like me(use common sense) to burn for eternity(Damn not a year, or 5 or 20 but forever? Forever ever?)

DoUwant2go2Heaven? those verse don't mean anything.

Your posting verses from the Old Covenant. The law. A law that was given to the nation of Israel. A law that even they couldn't keep. If you live under the law and break even 1 of the 613 laws contained in it, you were guilty of breaking the whole law and thus under a curse. For cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. So if you want to live under the law be my guest!

But thank God for the LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Why? Because:

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:13-14

Hallelujah!

Matthew 5:17.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

^^Jesus saying he didnt change the law and of course:

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.-Malachi 3:6

^^Here's your god saying he never change. So he's either a lair or realize he was wrong which doesn't

If you read the whole verse of Matthew 5:17 it tells you at the end what He did with the law, He fulfilled the law. How did He do it? By keeping the whole law! He never sinned! Thus Jesus Christ became the passover lamb. The sins of humanity was placed upon Him because He had no sin in Himself. Thus God shed His blood so that all who come to Him by faith can be forgiven of their sins forever.

And yes God doesn't change. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever. And because that is the case, sin MUST be paid for. God provided the payment for sin through His Son, Jesus Christ. His sinless, pure, and holy blood was shed for the remission of sins for all who believe. But if you will not accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on your behalf, you must pay your sin debt on the day of judgment. And all accounts will be paid in full without partiality, leniency, or bribery. Read Revelation 20:11-15. Amen.

Nah nigga the laws didn't change. Also why in the world would the killing of a man who knew he was going to comeback because he's immortal be considered a great sacrifice or a sacrifice at all?

ShiveDreadz, I think this guy really believe the stuff he writes.

"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

The law required that blood must be shed in order for forgiveness. Here is the OT law:

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11

The blood of Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice that God required for the salvation and redemption of man. God demonstrated His love for humanity by dying for humanity. Love is an action verb, it's not a feeling. Therefore God showed what love truly is by providing mankind a Savior. God sacrificed His Son because He loved humanity.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Love is why Jesus Christ is the ultimate and greatest sacrifice! Hallelujah! What a awesome God He is! Praise His holy name forever and ever! Praise Him! Praise Him! Praise Him! Let everything that has breath praise God!

 

[BoldChild]

This counteracts the blaspheme.

 

[ReppinTime]

The Bible writers didn't even know the earth is not flat.

"God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them."-Isaiah 40:22

Womp.

Take your dumb shit to the social lounge you clown.

and to the moron who keeps saying "BUT JAYZ SAID HE BELIEVES IN GOD!"

Who gives a fuck you moron, he's a confirmed con artist. His music has said the opposite for over a decade. Outside of the music he's going to say whatever benefits him, and coming out and saying the shit he says over instrumentals would mean idiots like you wouldnt be able to pretend any longer that he isnt clearly against God and he would lose fans. and more importantly even a satanist would tell you they believe in A 'God'. When was the last time Jayz told you WHAT God he believes in?

 

[blacktux]

DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, WE ALL ARE STILL GODS CHILDREN

Matthew 5:45

45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

THEY MAY NOT ACKOWLEGE HIM, BUT THERE PROSPERITY COMES FROM GOD

Do you remember this when you go to your barber or do you just cherry pick your bible verses?

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

Leviticus 19:27

Lol @ these comments.

You got a gay ngga singin 'What's a God to a non-believer' and yall bat not 1 eye?

lol Like i said...i can only worry about my own path, but i be damned if i dont see whats goin on

and you got these gay guys telling God is everything. What's your point, you think there isn't tstraight people who don't believe in the god(s) delusion?

There's all sorts of wild shit in the Bible...like the verse that states a woman needs to ask permission to speak in the presence of men lol...

and you notice these guys are avoiding that verse like the plague. Something as simple as that verse which is just as silly but not as horrible as other writings in the Bible like the one you brought up and so many others.

If you're a man of Character your women will follow your lead and still be they own individual.

The Bible writers didn't even know the earth is not flat. O my bad, I'm sure that's just a snare and trap to get people like me(use common sense) to burn for eternity(Damn not a year, or 5 or 20 but forever? Forever ever?)

DoUwant2go2Heaven? those verse don't mean anything.

Your posting verses from the Old Covenant. The law. A law that was given to the nation of Israel. A law that even they couldn't keep. If you live under the law and break even 1 of the 613 laws contained in it, you were guilty of breaking the whole law and thus under a curse. For cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. So if you want to live under the law be my guest!

But thank God for the LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Why? Because:

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:13-14

Hallelujah!

Matthew 5:17.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

^^Jesus saying he didnt change the law and of course:

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.-Malachi 3:6

^^Here's your god saying he never change. So he's either a lair or realize he was wrong which doesn't

If you read the whole verse of Matthew 5:17 it tells you at the end what He did with the law, He fulfilled the law. How did He do it? By keeping the whole law! He never sinned! Thus Jesus Christ became the passover lamb. The sins of humanity was placed upon Him because He had no sin in Himself. Thus God shed His blood so that all who come to Him by faith can be forgiven of their sins forever.

And yes God doesn't change. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever. And because that is the case, sin MUST be paid for. God provided the payment for sin through His Son, Jesus Christ. His sinless, pure, and holy blood was shed for the remission of sins for all who believe. But if you will not accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on your behalf, you must pay your sin debt on the day of judgment. And all accounts will be paid in full without partiality, leniency, or bribery. Read Revelation 20:11-15. Amen.

Nah nigga the laws didn't change. Also why in the world would the killing of a man who knew he was going to comeback because he's immortal be considered a great sacrifice or a sacrifice at all?

ShiveDreadz, I think this guy really believe the stuff he writes.

Nah he does, thats what makes him fuckin hillarious...

He will always grab a scripture out of his ass and interpret it out of context then type Amen or Hallelujah at the end dude is a great pastor.

Leading the people right into the hands of poverty and ignorance while the seekers of knowledge out here young and gettin it.

AMEN

 

[Bodhi]

"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

The law required that blood must be shed in order for forgiveness. Here is the OT law:

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11

The blood of Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice that God required for the salvation and redemption of man. God demonstrated His love for humanity by dying for humanity. Love is an action verb, it's not a feeling. Therefore God showed what love truly is by providing mankind a Savior. God sacrificed His Son because He loved humanity.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Love is why Jesus Christ is the ultimate and greatest sacrifice! Hallelujah! What a awesome God He is! Praise His holy name forever and ever! Praise Him! Praise Him! Praise Him! Let everything that has breath praise God!

If god is all-knowing and all-powerful, there was no need for the death and ultimate sacrifice of jesus christ. Being all-wise and infinitely righteous, one would assume (and be correct) that forgiveness could come instantaneously without the need of blood sacrifice. Additionally, god did not really "die" as he is a spirit (he created a human that allegedly sacrificed himself for the good of humanity -- therefore, Jesus is not actually god; he is a creation of god just as any other being would be); all that was done was a magic/fire and light show to boost his ego and to get to what he could have done from the beginning; forgive without requirements to be forgiven or punishment, which is much more wise IMO. For god to go through a process or means to reach an end shows that he is not completely omnipotent, for with a completely omnipotent being, there is no means to and end. Emotions such as anger and resentment, for an all-good and all-wise being, do not make sense.

 

[S2J]

Lol @ these comments.

You got a gay ngga singin 'What's a God to a non-believer' and yall bat not 1 eye?

lol Like i said...i can only worry about my own path, but i be damned if i dont see whats goin on

Since when was music always done from a 1st person perspective? Niggas keep dropping Jay's name and his songs when he's said multiple times he believes in God...even addresses it in Decoded where he states many times he believes in God

Lmao Gtfoh with that copout

If Jay can simultaneously believe in God but then say the shyt he says, that's him. It all comes back to my point on not worrying about anyone else's path, but I WILL ACKNOWLEGDE WHAT I SEE.

Mind you, we not talkin rappers rapping about sin, b/c we all sinners- I'm talkin specifically about blasphemy

Dont insult my intelligence with that 'artistic expression' shyt

So you're discussing the subject of religion in music, which is an art, but don't want to acknowledge that at times that very art is simply an expression of a thought or an idea...not a belief you may have, but an idea sparked by anything? That's not a good way to debate...Ask any artist, writer, painter, musician, etc...ANYTHING can spark a creative moment...from a simple word said to a random ass thought...rappers, the good ones, at the end of the day are writers...so any random convo can spark a song/lyric idea...doesn't mean what they write or record is what they believe, but sometimes you write shit not from your own perspective...saying that isn't a cop out, it's an truthful statement that not every writer is writing solely from their own experiences or thoughts...you grab ideas and concepts from all over...especially once you start traveling, studying, and being introduced to different cultures and schools of thought...

And for you, and some other posters to say you believe in God, yet be so judgmental, dismissive, and downright insulting to those who either don't share your beliefs or questions them, it easily opens you up to being criticized as to how closely you're following the very beliefs you get on others for rejecting. Isn't God about loving, unity, and togetherness? This thread got folks who say they believe in God behaving and speaking in a very ungodly way to defend their beliefs...that's hypocrisy

'Music is an expression' has morphed into a catch-all to excuse all BS statements in hip hop. Lil Mouse's manager used 'music is expression' as the excuse to why an 8 yr old kid is talkin about killin folk. Please stop insulting my intelligence.

Plus, let me break this down for you:

Blasphemy-irreverence toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs.

irreverence-1. Lack of reverence or due respect. 2. A disrespectful act or remark

"Barrell in my apparel that can stop God"-Jay Z (just 1 example)

THE REMARK ALONE IS BY DEFINITION BLASPHEMY! Whether he believes in God or not! 'he just expressin art' Git outta here Lol

At what u said in bold, *yawn*- Goodness man, thats such a typical statement in a 'believer vs non-believer' argument. I say i believe, and it morphs into 'why you judgin , thats hypocrisy, blah blah'. What you expect me to coddle you into a believer? I said i am a Christian, its not my fault if perhaps you (and many) take that to mean 'they think they perfect- urgh, i'll prove them wrong'. No.

You believe what you want, I've given scripture in this thread, i've given examples, but i have not judged, i've only acknowlegded what i see. If my debating style is too dextrous for you my dude, well damn, I'm sorry Lmao

I haven't stated whether or not I believe in God in this discussion, you're assuming I don't and once again wrong...I didn't mention one time being perfect or attempting to be perfect so once again you're assuming wrong...I know what blasphemy means...I went to Catholic school from K-10th grade so trust and believe if nothing else I HAD to study religion, the Bible, and what it means for years. It was the very basis of my education because that's how Catholic schools operate. Lil Mouse's manager, even though what that kid s rapping about shouldn't be allowed anywhere, is by definition an expression of whoever wrote those lyrics thoughts at the time they were writing them....never did say that the art was good, should be emulated, or even listened to but it fits the definition of it whether you like it or not. As far as the Jay-Z lyric you used, yeah by definition it's blasphemy, but again by sinning alone that's a lack of due respect for God by doing something you know wouldn't sit right in his eyes so what puts you on a level to judge another person? You acknowledge what you see yet you ignore the numerous examples of Jay stating he believes in God solely to further the argument that he doesn't? That's bad debating skills. That's the basis of my debate, nobody fit to judge anybody else, yet you and many other Christians of all denominations love to sit on a high horse and tell others what they're doing wrong. That by definition is not a Christian thing to do, but a thread was made based on doing just that.

1) I'm curious, are you young and possibly still in school? I ask b/c your whole argument is textbook. Why you bein so politically correct dawg lol its just us here

B/c lemme explain: You say you believe? Then why are you even bringing up freedom of expression? Does God's power not trump the first amendment? Then why would Jay Z's right to 'express himself' have any bearing on whether or not he has blasphemed.

And be clear: the argument is not 'does Jayz believe in God"... the argument is has he blasphemed.

2) @bolded, you may not realizie, but you are being very cliche to how these 'debates' usually go: "I never SAID i didnt believe...i know ALL about the bible...Christians not supposed to judgeeee" Lol Again, this is not my first rodeo, so please bring something new to the table

But hold on, you gon git this work:

3) Your whole argument falls flat on its face b/c you are mis-using the word JUDGE.

Look at the underlined above, YOU SAID : yeah by definition it's blasphemy

So you AGREE with what i said!...Are you, too, now judging him? No. You nor I have judged that man! We have identified a fact based on scripture: by definition, what he has done is considered blasphemy. What trips you, and many people up, is your mind may become defensive and say 'dont judge me' when all thats been made is a statement.

Judging a man= sayin 'He blasphemed, he goin to Hell'... 'Hey you, you better not blaspheme!'...i've done neither. I idenitifed a fact.

If i simply say "stealing is a sin", have i then judged all thieves??

 

[blacktux]

Religion is man made, you follow a mans words blindly, i question those words.

Hallelujah

 

[Bodhi]

Edit to o.g. post @DoUwant2go2Heaven?

If god is all-knowing and all-powerful, there was no need for the death and ultimate sacrifice of jesus christ. Being all-wise and infinitely righteous, one would assume (and be correct) that forgiveness could come instantaneously without the need of blood sacrifice. Additionally, god did not really "die" as he is a spirit (he created a human that allegedly sacrificed himself for the good of humanity -- therefore, Jesus is not actually god; he is a creation of god just as any other being would be); all that was done was a magic/fire and light show to boost his ego and to get to what he could have done from the beginning; forgive without requirements to be forgiven or punishment, which is much more wise IMO. For god to go through a process or means to reach an end shows that he is not completely omnipotent, for with a completely omnipotent being, there is no means to and end. Also, emotions such as anger and resentment, for an all-good and all-wise being, do not make sense.

 

[DR. JEK]

So if a nigga don't "praise god" in his acceptance speech, he's blasphemous? Is god on the fuckin Grammy board? God giving out BET and MTV awards?

I think niggas like Jay-z know religion has questions that can't be answered, and they play on that to keep people talking. Its like free publicity. Same as all that Illuminati bullshit. They do that shit so u pay attention to all their music and people eat it up.

Look @ the cover art for WTT. Cmon son. Its blatant. Im not religious so the shit dont bother me.

What u think he meant "fuck all these fairytales"? he talkin about Biblical stories that are basically myths.

What was the Watch The Throne album cover about?

Here u go trollin. U misreadin my post. Im not advocating for one side or another, im just pointing out the intent.

I could give a fuck who u thank @ an award show. But i still notice the change.

As for the cover art on watch the throne, i take it as Jay n Ye making fun of Christianity cuz (as stated before) its the safest religion to attack.

I was just talkin with my girl this morning about something related. It's not just rap that shits on it. My homey said a lady at his Job was damn near on the verge of getting fired because she wore a Merry Christmas sweater to work last december. Talbout it was offending people that are non christians. There's also a guy from india that works there and he dont have to remove his turban for his relious purposes. I felt that was fucked up but it really hit me that that's just a Mircrocausum of how far america has gone down the toilet. Nigga can come over here from another country and get his shit honored but a MF THAT'S FROM HERE can't wear a sweater? Santa That Offensive? I bet if that girl went to India and complained about they shit offending her they would laugh they ass off at her. Other countries dont let us come to they shit and try to run shit but this Counrty was built on christianity since the days of the 13 colonies and Now christians can't even be christians in they own counrty! It's ok for homosexuals to force they views on people, come out with albums called "Im Gay" and we wanna let everybody from 5 percenters to devil worshipers express themselve and consumers be like "hey ..I dont give a fuck, they gotta right to yada yada yada long as they music good or whatever". I just find that very weird but then again people that have read the bible front to back basically say this kinda stuff happens because they know the rapture is close and they shrug it off almost.

 

[Bodhi]

I was just talkin with my girl this morning about something related. It's not just rap that shits on it. My homey said a lady at his Job was damn near on the verge of getting fired because she wore a Merry Christmas sweater to work last december. Talbout it was offending people that are non christians. There's also a guy from india that works there and he dont have to remove his turban for his relious purposes. I felt that was fucked up but it really hit me that that's just a Mircrocausum of how far america has gone down the toilet.

The difference is Christians aren't required to wear Christmas sweaters as some religions require men to wear turbans. The Christmas sweater lady would have a case in her favor if her job were to have her do something that compromises her religious conduct. Removing a sweater, unfortunately for her, does not.

 

[Bodhi]

but this Counrty was built on christianity since the days of the 13 colonies and Now christians can't even be christians in they own counrty!

America was not "built on Christianity" nor around it. The founding fathers came from various backgrounds, some being deist, not specifically Christian. Neither in the constitution nor the d.o.i. is there any mention of Christianity in any shape or form.

Christians can in fact be Christians in their own country. Our president is a Christian, for example.

 

[S2J]

So if a nigga don't "praise god" in his acceptance speech, he's blasphemous? Is god on the fuckin Grammy board? God giving out BET and MTV awards?

I think niggas like Jay-z know religion has questions that can't be answered, and they play on that to keep people talking. Its like free publicity. Same as all that Illuminati bullshit. They do that shit so u pay attention to all their music and people eat it up.

Look @ the cover art for WTT. Cmon son. Its blatant. Im not religious so the shit dont bother me.

What u think he meant "fuck all these fairytales"? he talkin about Biblical stories that are basically myths.

What was the Watch The Throne album cover about?

Here u go trollin. U misreadin my post. Im not advocating for one side or another, im just pointing out the intent.

I could give a fuck who u thank @ an award show. But i still notice the change.

As for the cover art on watch the throne, i take it as Jay n Ye making fun of Christianity cuz (as stated before) its the safest religion to attack.

I was just talkin with my girl this morning about something related. It's not just rap that shits on it. My homey said a lady at his Job was damn near on the verge of getting fired because she wore a Merry Christmas sweater to work last december. Talbout it was offending people that are non christians. There's also a guy from india that works there and he dont have to remove his turban for his relious purposes. I felt that was fucked up but it really hit me that that's just a Mircrocausum of how far america has gone down the toilet. Nigga can come over here from another country and get his shit honored but a MF THAT'S FROM HERE can't wear a sweater? These days santa claus more offensive than a white man with a Swastica tat? I bet if that girl went to india and complained about they shit offending her they would laugh they ass off at her. Other countries dont let us come to they shit and try to run shit but this Counrty was built on christianity since the days of the 13 colonies and Now christians can't even be christians in they own counrty! It's ok for homosexuals to force they views on people and we wanna let everybody from 5 percenters to devil worshipers to express themselve and be like"hey I dont give a fuck, they gotta right to yada yada yada long as they music good or whatever". I just find that very weird but then again people that have read the bible front to back basically say this kinda stuff happens because they know the rapture is close and they shrug it off almost.

Preach. And @ the bolded, its the normalization of deviance.

Things have slowly...slowly...slowly gone wayward that now it's ingrained in people to essentially stfu. Everything goes!

'Oh nah, nah, he not blasphemin he expressin himself!' Lol & smh

 

[DR. JEK]

I was just talkin with my girl this morning about something related. It's not just rap that shits on it. My homey said a lady at his Job was damn near on the verge of getting fired because she wore a Merry Christmas sweater to work last december. Talbout it was offending people that are non christians. There's also a guy from india that works there and he dont have to remove his turban for his relious purposes. I felt that was fucked up but it really hit me that that's just a Mircrocausum of how far america has gone down the toilet.

The difference is Christians aren't required to wear Christmas sweaters as some religions require men to wear turbans. The Christmas sweater lady would have a case in her favor if her job were to have her do something that compromises her religious conduct. Removing a sweater, unfortunately for her, does not.

I get that difference homie, but requirement or not.... why would you respect one nigga's shit but not the other's if you are the supervisor? seems very bias. If workers were like "Hey get that taliban looking nigga outta here, Im afraid for my life after 911" That guy can sue the fuck outta them but what Im saying is a christian should have the same rights to be offended by having to remove something as somebody from another religion would be for removing they shit. Either you gonna shut it all down or let it all go but dont make it obvious that you're bias as a company by letting one thing go and shuttin another thing down completely

 

[Bodhi]

Also, it's a difference between "forcing your views on somebody" and fighting for equality and your rights as a human being. I have no problem with homosexuals or devil worshippers who want to live the life they live because I am free to live my own as you are also. If we travel back in time, we could probably find whites who claimed that blacks were "forcing their views" on them during the civil rights movement. No one can force their views on anybody as long as that anybody will not allow them to. Everyone has a right to free speech and free expression to some extent.