Simone Manuel FTW

[Trollio]

Smh just finding out she my cousin.

throw that alley

 

[jetlifebih]

Smh just finding out she my cousin.

Ain't cho got dam cousin....

 

[Will Munny]

She is really pretty but she's way taller than me :'(

like I had a chance anyways lolzzzz

 

[mryounggun]

Worried about bad bitches instead

Ingrid Oliveira

Yeah, she bad as shit. Quick question, though: How did this broad do in her actual race(s)?

#BlackGirlMagic

 

[mryounggun]

Worried about bad bitches instead

Ingrid Oliveira

Less time looking cute and more time training she might have placed higher than 8th.



So awesome for Simone. Two amazing Simones representing the H!

There we go...

Close thread.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Smh just finding out she my cousin.

throw that alley

Nah I definitely called dibs

 

[Muhannad]

Enith Brigitha was actually from my native island Curaçao. Most people on the island can swim. As far as swimming competitively the sport isn't that popular. Baseball is more popular.

I know a black swimmer from Surinam Anthony Nesty won a gold medal in '88.

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Depends. I have several cousins that live there and their experience varies. Most don't like it

Really? What do they not like about it and were they born there or did they migrate there?

My family is Aruban so they are Dutch citizens but grew up in Aruba which is vastly different than Europe as you can imagine. For example we speak a totally different language and they only learn Dutch in school but all the colleges and jobs are in Holland so many migrate there

Most of their complaints are the weather and racism. It also depends on your ethnicity . I think Surinamese folk adjust better @Muhannad correct me if I'm wrong

Yeah while the Dutch Antilles were a Dutch colony, most slave owners and masters were Sephardic Jews. I guess that's why the language is similar to Portuguese and the culture is closer to latin America and Jews than to the Dutch. During slavery the Dutch Antilles primarily served as trade posts. The soil wasn't ideal for growing crops. The vast majority of slaves who weren't sold off to other islands were house slaves. In the other Dutch colony in the 'New World' Surinam they did grow crops. The slavery over there was different. While you had houseslaves, you also had slaves working the fields. While slavery was practised different, slaves were treated horrible in both places. Jews justified slavery and bad treatment of blacks in general by a passage in their holy book. They believed blacks were cursed because of the "Hamitic curse". The bad treatment of slaves is a reason why there were alot of revolts and why there's still resentment to this day.

I think Don Cheadle made a movie about Tula and Karpata, two people who fought against slavery in Curaçao.

Most Antillians are mixed race. Most native Arubans are white or mixed race but consider themself white. Black Arubans are from other islands or South America. Most black Surinamese people are mostly of (west) African descent. Surinamese people of African descent do adjust better because culturally they're closer to Dutch people. They actually speak Dutch at home while Antillians and Arubans generally don't. I've seen both Surinamese and Antillian people complain about racism in The Netherlands though. Arubans complain less because they don't self identify with black issues, but sometimes they will complain because the racial stratification system is different in Europe than what they're used to. People who would be seen as white in their home country are lumped in with black people in the Netherlands.

Like you say some of these Dutch think they're tolerant and open minded, but in reality they're racist or atleast insensitive or indifferent to the feelings of black people from former colonies. A good example is a Dutch national holiday they still celebrate called Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas in Dutch language). It's a holiday comparable to Santaclaus but it's a white guy with a beard with black slaves working for him. The slaves are called Black Pete. Black people complained about it for the longest, but some of these Dutch don't want to hear it.

Some people want to act like racism is a thing of the past because there is no real stigma on interracial relationships between black and white in the Netherlands. Black people can get profiled and harassed by police. They can face exclusion on the jobmarket. To make a long story short they can face racism, but I think it's less overt than in countries like Italy or Spain.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Like you say some of these Dutch think they're tolerant and open minded, but in reality they're racist or atleast insensitive or indifferent to the feelings of black people from former colonies. A good example is a Dutch national holiday they still celebrate called Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas in Dutch language). It's a holiday comparable to Santaclaus but it's a white guy with a beard with black slaves working for him. The slaves are called Black Pete. Black people complained about it for the longest, but some of these Dutch don't want to hear it.

Some people want to act like racism is a thing of the past because there is no real stigma on interracial relationships between black and white in the Netherlands. Black people can get profiled and harassed by police. They can face exclusion on the jobmarket. To make a long story short they can face racism, but I think it's less overt than in countries like Italy or Spain.

I actually read about that. The problem there is that I think the blackface legitimately means something different in this case. Like Black Pete's face is supposed be that way because of him being the one that went down the chimneys or something like that. So that's where a little of the problem comes in. Because blacks from other areas immediately associated it with American style blackface and want it changed, whereas the Dutch don't understand the feelings and are going to be resistant because it doesn't mean that to them.

 

[Muhannad]

Like you say some of these Dutch think they're tolerant and open minded, but in reality they're racist or atleast insensitive or indifferent to the feelings of black people from former colonies. A good example is a Dutch national holiday they still celebrate called Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas in Dutch language). It's a holiday comparable to Santaclaus but it's a white guy with a beard with black slaves working for him. The slaves are called Black Pete. Black people complained about it for the longest, but some of these Dutch don't want to hear it.

Some people want to act like racism is a thing of the past because there is no real stigma on interracial relationships between black and white in the Netherlands. Black people can get profiled and harassed by police. They can face exclusion on the jobmarket. To make a long story short they can face racism, but I think it's less overt than in countries like Italy or Spain.

I actually read about that. The problem there is that I think the blackface legitimately means something different in this case. Like Black Pete's face is supposed be that way because of him being the one that went down the chimneys or something like that. So that's where a little of the problem comes in. Because blacks from other areas immediately associated it with American style blackface and want it changed, whereas the Dutch don't understand the feelings and are going to be resistant because it doesn't mean that to them.

No, black Pete is supposed to be a Moorish or African slave. That chimney is a copout. They used to depict Moors as blacks back in the day. He wears an outfit Moors in Spain used to wear.

Back in the day these black Pete's used to speak with an accent mocking black people from former colonies. If it was just the chimney, they wouldn't have to speak with an accent. Black Pete also coons, like he bucks his eyes, acts childlike, dumb and animated and does other stuff they feel black people do. Black Pete's been a charicature. Black Pete also wouldn't have to wear a afro wig and wouldn't put on big red lipstick. They're obviously mocking black people with that sh*t. I've heard some black kids say they get picked on by their white classmates during this holiday. If it was just the chimney, children wouldn't make that association between a black slave and their classmates. In a few years it'll be a thing of the past because big corporations don't want to be associated with anything that's considered racist. Every year there's a big debate and tense situation in cities with a large black population. I give it 5 years tops...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Like you say some of these Dutch think they're tolerant and open minded, but in reality they're racist or atleast insensitive or indifferent to the feelings of black people from former colonies. A good example is a Dutch national holiday they still celebrate called Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas in Dutch language). It's a holiday comparable to Santaclaus but it's a white guy with a beard with black slaves working for him. The slaves are called Black Pete. Black people complained about it for the longest, but some of these Dutch don't want to hear it.

Some people want to act like racism is a thing of the past because there is no real stigma on interracial relationships between black and white in the Netherlands. Black people can get profiled and harassed by police. They can face exclusion on the jobmarket. To make a long story short they can face racism, but I think it's less overt than in countries like Italy or Spain.

I actually read about that. The problem there is that I think the blackface legitimately means something different in this case. Like Black Pete's face is supposed be that way because of him being the one that went down the chimneys or something like that. So that's where a little of the problem comes in. Because blacks from other areas immediately associated it with American style blackface and want it changed, whereas the Dutch don't understand the feelings and are going to be resistant because it doesn't mean that to them.

No, black Pete is supposed to be a Moorish or African slave. That chimney is a copout. They used to depict Moors as blacks back in the day. He wears an outfit Moors in Spain used to wear.

Back in the day these black Pete's used to speak with an accent mocking black people from former colonies. If it was just the chimney, they wouldn't have to speak with an accent. Black Pete also coons, like he bucks his eyes, acts childlike, dumb and animated and does other stuff they feel black people do. Black Pete's been a charicature. Black Pete also wouldn't have to wear a afro wig and wouldn't put on big red lipstick. They're obviously mocking black people with that sh*t. I've heard some black kids say they get picked on by their white classmates during this holiday. If it was just the chimney, children wouldn't make that association between a black slave and their classmates. In a few years it'll be a thing of the past because big corporations don't want to be associated with anything that's considered racist. Every year there's a big debate and tense situation in cities with a large black population. I give it 5 years tops...

Oh ok. Yeah, makes sense.