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[The Lonious Monk]

Man i thought you were speaking on the AAs that were politically against him like Jessie Jackson because he wasn't an AA. People on this board are ass backwards, so i can't really comment on that.

It wasn't just people on this board though. The thread existed because of the fact that it was a trend going around at the time.

The closest anyone had to a valid point was that he wasn't the American kind of "black" in that since his father was from Africa and the other side of his family was white, he didn't really have a good understanding of what it really means to come up as Black in the US. Even that's problematic though.

They were speaking on the fact that his pops wasn't actually from here so he wasn't coming up "Black in the US". He was "Black in Africa". His moms was white and raised him. People questioned how he could identify with issues that affect the Black Community in America which he didn't directly come up in. It had nothing to do with him being specifically of Kenyan descent. No matter where you are from, if you move into the black community, your kids will identify a certain way unless you grew up cac which many have even though they parents grew up around their own. This is the reason blacks give him a hard time now and feel he doesn't connect with black issues.

lol You just rephrased the exact shit I said. Some people didn't believe he was "Black" in the American sense because he didn't grow up like "typical" black American. Even that's a little stupid because he damn sure spent his adult life as a black american so it's not like he's completely ignorant of what it means to be a black native.

And again, that was simply the most reasonable thing said. There were plenty of people just saying he wasn't black because he wasn't from here. If get some time I'll go to Youtube and try to find the compilation video they mad of people saying it. Seems like you are trying to give people the benefit of the doubt. Stop it. I know it's hard to believe, but people really are that dumb.

 

[kid_khameleon]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

 

[StillFaggyAF]

What else could African American mean?

Most media use AA to describe all black ppl living in the us

Yep, and a lot of arrogant ass AAs act like AAs are the only people who count as black. We saw that during Obama's first run when black people were saying he wasn't black because his dad was Kenyan.

That's not what they were saying at all. They were saying he wasn't African American which is something applied to people whose ancestors were slaves. Barack is Kenyan American or simply American which AAs go by also. I'm sure you are aware that African Americans are named such because they don't have a country of origin in Africa. It is distinct from Asian Americans which is a pointless nomenclature being that Indians in no way identify with Chinese, or Russians which are all on the Asian Continent and are aware of and identify wholly with their homeland unlike europeans which have a very close nit, yet distinct culture across the continent. Even they identify with their homeland (country, nation, tribe) first and foremost.

This is true but there are some who will call any black person not from the states not black. I've seen AAs tell people from the islands all the time that they're not "real black people"

IDK how to respond to that. I've personally in my life have never heard that. I've only seen conflict between AAs and blacks from elsewhere. Every black has at least said they were African or identified with their country of birth.

I've used this example before on here... while back MTV did a special on hip hop in Puerto Rico. Tego Calderon, who has written articles about how blacks in PR are treated, showed where he grew up. A town that's 90% black and someone on the IC said "damn they look like normal black people".... that's part of where that conflict you see comes from. People telling us we aren't black just because we speak another language or with an accent....yes there's issues on the other side too in terms of self identifying but I can tell you in my 30 years alive I've never had another Latino or Caribbean person tell me I'm not really black...that's only came from AAs

Idk about you for me and my peers who also were second gen identified as black but AAs were black black

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Depends. I have several cousins that live there and their experience varies. Most don't like it

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Depends. I have several cousins that live there and their experience varies. Most don't like it

Really? What do they not like about it and were they born there or did they migrate there?

 

[A Talented One]

The race:

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Depends. I have several cousins that live there and their experience varies. Most don't like it

Really? What do they not like about it and were they born there or did they migrate there?

My family is Aruban so they are Dutch citizens but grew up in Aruba which is vastly different than Europe as you can imagine. For example we speak a totally different language and they only learn Dutch in school but all the colleges and jobs are in Holland so many migrate there

Most of their complaints are the weather and racism. It also depends on your ethnicity . I think Surinamese folk adjust better @Muhannad correct me if I'm wrong

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Also Dutch ppl tend to think of themselves as very open and tolerant but they are no different than any other white group

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Depends. I have several cousins that live there and their experience varies. Most don't like it

Really? What do they not like about it and were they born there or did they migrate there?

My family is Aruban so they are Dutch citizens but grew up in Aruba which is vastly different than Europe as you can imagine. For example we speak a totally different language and they only learn Dutch in school but all the colleges and jobs are in Holland so many migrate there

Most of their complaints are the weather and racism. It also depends on your ethnicity . I think Surinamese folk adjust better @Muhannad correct me if I'm wrong

Interesting. I just read an article from a chick that moved there from Philly, and she thought that the outlook for racism was better there than in the U.S. She said the only problem was that they adopted that whole "we don't see color" type thinking, so when you encounter racism, no one will listen because they believe it's in your head.

 

[Melqart]

So you guys just had to get into this semantic bullshit conversation that we have all the time on just the 2nd page of a historical victory.

Typical.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Surinam is part of the Netherlands and a lot of them are over there. There are a lot of people from North Africa too. I've been there. They got they own hoods.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Surinam is part of the Netherlands and a lot of them are over there. There are a lot of people from North Africa too. I've been there. They got they own hoods.

Suriname is independent

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, after some research I found the answer, She is the first Black woman to win a gold in an individual swimming event and the first Black American Woman to medal in an individual swimming event

Enith Brigithia was the first Black person to medal in an individual swimming event, she represented the Netherlands

Interesting. I wonder what it's like to be black in the Netherlands. I can't imagine there is a ton of them, but the ones you see seem to be very integrated into that society.

Surinam is part of the Netherlands and a lot of them are over there. There are a lot of people from North Africa too. I've been there. They got they own hoods.

Suriname is independent

My bad. Should have said was.

 

[VulcanRaven]

What else could African American mean?

Most media use AA to describe all black ppl living in the us

Yep, and a lot of arrogant ass AAs act like AAs are the only people who count as black. We saw that during Obama's first run when black people were saying he wasn't black because his dad was Kenyan.

That's not what they were saying at all. They were saying he wasn't African American which is something applied to people whose ancestors were slaves. Barack is Kenyan American or simply American which AAs go by also. I'm sure you are aware that African Americans are named such because they don't have a country of origin in Africa. It is distinct from Asian Americans which is a pointless nomenclature being that Indians in no way identify with Chinese, or Russians which are all on the Asian Continent and are aware of and identify wholly with their homeland unlike europeans which have a very close nit, yet distinct culture across the continent. Even they identify with their homeland (country, nation, tribe) first and foremost.

This is true but there are some who will call any black person not from the states not black. I've seen AAs tell people from the islands all the time that they're not "real black people"

IDK how to respond to that. I've personally in my life have never heard that. I've only seen conflict between AAs and blacks from elsewhere. Every black has at least said they were African or identified with their country of birth.

I've used this example before on here... while back MTV did a special on hip hop in Puerto Rico. Tego Calderon, who has written articles about how blacks in PR are treated, showed where he grew up. A town that's 90% black and someone on the IC said "damn they look like normal black people".... that's part of where that conflict you see comes from. People telling us we aren't black just because we speak another language or with an accent....yes there's issues on the other side too in terms of self identifying but I can tell you in my 30 years alive I've never had another Latino or Caribbean person tell me I'm not really black...that's only came from AAs

Yeah I know what you mean. It's a byproduct of slavery and racism. AA people only identify being black with being a descendent of slaves and the black struggle in the U.S. They made us hate or isolate ourselves from those who came from a different culture after forcing their culture abd religions upon us. On the flip side I never heard a Puerto Rican or a Dominican refer to themselves as black.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Man i thought you were speaking on the AAs that were politically against him like Jessie Jackson because he wasn't an AA. People on this board are ass backwards, so i can't really comment on that.

It wasn't just people on this board though. The thread existed because of the fact that it was a trend going around at the time.

The closest anyone had to a valid point was that he wasn't the American kind of "black" in that since his father was from Africa and the other side of his family was white, he didn't really have a good understanding of what it really means to come up as Black in the US. Even that's problematic though.

They were speaking on the fact that his pops wasn't actually from here so he wasn't coming up "Black in the US". He was "Black in Africa". His moms was white and raised him. People questioned how he could identify with issues that affect the Black Community in America which he didn't directly come up in. It had nothing to do with him being specifically of Kenyan descent. No matter where you are from, if you move into the black community, your kids will identify a certain way unless you grew up cac which many have even though they parents grew up around their own. This is the reason blacks give him a hard time now and feel he doesn't connect with black issues.

lol You just rephrased the exact shit I said. Some people didn't believe he was "Black" in the American sense because he didn't grow up like "typical" black American. Even that's a little stupid because he damn sure spent his adult life as a black american so it's not like he's completely ignorant of what it means to be a black native.

And again, that was simply the most reasonable thing said. There were plenty of people just saying he wasn't black because he wasn't from here. If get some time I'll go to Youtube and try to find the compilation video they mad of people saying it. Seems like you are trying to give people the benefit of the doubt. Stop it. I know it's hard to believe, but people really are that dumb.

It isn't dumb. It's ignorance spread from oppression and lack of education. You have to live amongst it to understand. I seen it growing up and had to throwcaway everything I thought I knew about being black or what black could be. Instead of condemning the ignorant, educate them.

 

[Bcotton5]

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[The Lonious Monk]

It isn't dumb. It's ignorance spread from oppression and lack of education. You have to live amongst it to understand. I seen it growing up and had to throwcaway everything I thought I knew about being black or what black could be. Instead of condemning the ignorant, educate them.

Nah it's dumb. Ignorance is fair. We're all ignorant to something, but having a reasonable level of intelligence should allow you to reject certain lines of thinking. You can't really educate someone like that. If they willingly subscribe to a nonsensical line of thinking, what can you tell them to change their minds?

 

[silverfoxx]

Smh just finding out she my cousin.

 

[Recaptimus_Prime360]

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