Should Michael Vick Start Next Game?

[newOldSchool]

3 pro-bowls a few playoff wins, a NFC championship game, and a couple of QB records, all while not trying at all. Vick should have been starting.

 

[R.D.]

3 pro-bowls a few playoff wins, a NFC championship game, and a couple of QB records, all while not trying at all. Vick should have been starting.

he knows his shit

 

[aneed123]

they will play Kolb until the wheels fall off then pray for Vick to save them. I am no Mcnabb fan but karma is coming

 

[[Trillmatic]]

i was impressed with vick last night..looked like he was finally close to 100% nfl conditioning again..hopes he keeps improving so he can get back to a starting job.

 

[usmarin3]

LOL maybe Derell Revis can play QB

 

[peagle05]

LOL maybe Derell Revis can play QB

wrong thread?

 

[usmarin3]

wrong thread?

yeah............lol

 

[Will Munny]

do not. i repeat do not compare aaron rodgers to fuckn kevin kolb. for starters my nigga A-Rod was a first rounder and if the 49ers weren't so dumb he woulda been the #1 overall draft pick.

The only comparison is that they are both qb's in the NFC

Well the pack was 6-10 his first year... 11-5 the next. Give the man some time.

 

[shootemwon]

He was never an elite QB while he was in the league. He was just an elite runner with a average arm.

Like I said, he's not a great quarterback in the conventional sense, but his unique skill set produces, and that's all that matters. You don't need an amazing arm if every time you drop back to pass, the defense also has to be ready for a 10+ yard scramble.

It's like in baseball, if a lead-off hitter doesn't have a great batting average, but works the count well and has a high on-base percentage, plus he's good at stealing bases. When he leads off, he can give the team a runner in scoring position with no outs despite not being such a good hitter. It's all about production, not the way you get there.

 

[DarcSkies]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5567816

^^^ VIDEO...

Basically if he meets the 5 Step Process he will start.

He cant have any symptoms, has to be cleared by team and independent doctor and a neurological test.

 

[northside7]

NFL Network was saying kolb failed a couple of tests on monday and may not be able to practice till friday..

 

[Chef_Taylor]

NFL Network was saying kolb failed a couple of tests on monday and may not be able to practice till friday..

If he practice friday then hes not starting sunday.

 

[pinyapplesuckas]

i dont care who is ahead of him, vick is wack. always been top overrated

 

[shootemwon]

Look, Vick ain't the GOAT and he doesn't fit the traditional mold of what people value in a great QB, but he gets the job done his own way.

He ain't a good passer
Far from the best, but when the opposing team can't run a pass defense without still worrying about the QB running for big yards, you're gonna see some easier targets out there. If that doesn't happen, Vick can always call the bluff and run. These defenses aren't prepared to be constantly threatened with a big running play while at the same time the QB is dropping back to pass.

He only looked good because the Packers D spent all week studying Kolb
Fair enough, but don't forget the flip side. The Eagles offense spent all week preparing Kolb and the rest of the team for Kolb to the QB. Vick and the Eagles offense had to adjust as well, and they did a good job of it.

Vick isn't a quarterback. He's a runningback who takes direct snaps
Ok, well aside from this "runningback" rushing for over 100 yards in half a game, he also completed 16 of 24 (2/3rds) passes for a total of 175 yards. Meanwhile, Kolb completed only 5 of his 10 pass attempts (1/2) for a total of 24 yards. So if Vick "isn't a quarterback", what is Kolb?

Vick was never that great to begin with and The Eagles still lost
The Eagles were down 20-3, because Kolb couldn't find the endzone and Philadelphia's D were sufficiently matched that their ability to hold it close depended on reasonable offensive production. Vick came in and gave us a combined 278 yards, plus brought it down to a one score game. Your favorite QB is still unlikely to bring you the win if you start him off halfway through the game with a 3 score deficit. But yes, we lost, and in fact, the loss became a certainty when Vick was unable to convert short yardage fourth down on foot. No one talks about that bad play, but if it had been a bad pass that ended the Eagles chance of winning, everyone would be talking about "see that? vick can't throw.

Well, point is, you can talk all sorts of shit about Vick was never really that good, but in 2010, he looks pretty fuckin good to me and many others. I don't get where the hate comes from just because this guy has a lot of success rushing for big gains in passing plays. So what if he's running instead of passing. He's getting first down and putting points on the board.

This shit reminds me of 5th grade math class, when I was a wiz kid, so I ignored whatever formula to teacher was telling us to solve an equation, cause I could just figure out my own way and do the whole thing in my head. I got every answer right on my quiz using my own method and the teacher took points off cause even though my answers were right, I didn't "solve them the right way". Same thing here. Vick produces for the team, but people are mad that he doesn't use the traditional method.

 

[mikelewis]

Maybe I am a little crazy for saying this, but did anyone else notice that Kolb was shifted in and out for Vick, and never got into any sort of rhythm with his receivers for it??

Not for nothing, but how can a QB who is starting his first year of his career, in his first game of the season, shifted out that many times for Vick to come in under center, able to develop any sort of rhythm with his receivers and tight end?? And I am talking before the concussion, throughout the first quarter and beginning of the second.

Michael Vick was never subbed out for Kafka, played an entire half under center and was able to do whatever he wanted. Of course he'll look better when he can get into sync with his receivers. Secondly, the Packers were up 20-3 and was in coast mode, their secondary is banged up, and their coverage was a lot oriented to the pass, not the QB run, so obviously Vick will look good in concerns to that.

In a game where the starting QB was given less of a chance than the backup QB, mostly due to injury but also due to coaching, you can't write the guy off. I support the Falcons and the Chargers (horrible losses this week), so I know how the flashiness of Vick is appealing at times, but it won't be successful in the long run and you'll wonder what went wrong when the obvious answer is there. The Eagles have good, young receivers, a running, inaccurate QB will not help them.

 

[j-boogie the cancer]

Kolb for what reason is the starting QB in Andy Reids mind, Out of the two games he played in he looked decent at best, he did nothing to make you say he is going to be a franchise QB and Philly(Reid/Management) decided that Mcnabb's future in Philly was done after last season. Vick was brought in last season and hardly played never really given any shot at being the starter because Mcnabb was still there obviously. Mcnabb is traded and they still don't give him the oppurtinity to win the starting job, Kolb is given the job without any hesistation. Doesn't look great during preseason, Vick does justice with the second and third teams, still no shot. Kolb looks horrible in first half gets knocked out, Vick comes in with less reps in practice and almost wins it.

You can saw what you want about the Packers defense not being ready all you want for Vick, dude still looks like he can run an NFL team and be a starter in my eyes. If Kolb can go, then he has to start. Give him a couple more if need be, but they have a quality QB sitting on there bench with a chip on his shoulder. Rotting away because their head coach is an IDIOT.

Start Vick and save your job Andy.

 

[playmaker88]

Look, Vick ain't the GOAT and he doesn't fit the traditional mold of what people value in a great QB, but he gets the job done his own way.

He ain't a good passer
Far from the best, but when the opposing team can't run a pass defense without still worrying about the QB running for big yards, you're gonna see some easier targets out there. If that doesn't happen, Vick can always call the bluff and run. These defenses aren't prepared to be constantly threatened with a big running play while at the same time the QB is dropping back to pass.

He only looked good because the Packers D spent all week studying Kolb
Fair enough, but don't forget the flip side. The Eagles offense spent all week preparing Kolb and the rest of the team for Kolb to the QB. Vick and the Eagles offense had to adjust as well, and they did a good job of it.

Vick isn't a quarterback. He's a runningback who takes direct snaps
Ok, well aside from this "runningback" rushing for over 100 yards in half a game, he also completed 16 of 24 (2/3rds) passes for a total of 175 yards. Meanwhile, Kolb completed only 5 of his 10 pass attempts (1/2) for a total of 24 yards. So if Vick "isn't a quarterback", what is Kolb?

Vick was never that great to begin with and The Eagles still lost
The Eagles were down 20-3, because Kolb couldn't find the endzone and Philadelphia's D were sufficiently matched that their ability to hold it close depended on reasonable offensive production. Vick came in and gave us a combined 278 yards, plus brought it down to a one score game. Your favorite QB is still unlikely to bring you the win if you start him off halfway through the game with a 3 score deficit. But yes, we lost, and in fact, the loss became a certainty when Vick was unable to convert short yardage fourth down on foot. No one talks about that bad play, but if it had been a bad pass that ended the Eagles chance of winning, everyone would be talking about "see that? vick can't throw.

Well, point is, you can talk all sorts of shit about Vick was never really that good, but in 2010, he looks pretty fuckin good to me and many others. I don't get where the hate comes from just because this guy has a lot of success rushing for big gains in passing plays. So what if he's running instead of passing. He's getting first down and putting points on the board.

This shit reminds me of 5th grade math class, when I was a wiz kid, so I ignored whatever formula to teacher was telling us to solve an equation, cause I could just figure out my own way and do the whole thing in my head. I got every answer right on my quiz using my own method and the teacher took points off cause even though my answers were right, I didn't "solve them the right way". Same thing here. Vick produces for the team, but people are mad that he doesn't use the traditional method.

Preach all the shit i have been saying wrapped into a perfect package.. thanks..

 

[shootemwon]

Kolb for what reason is the starting QB in Andy Reids mind, Out of the two games he played in he looked decent at best, he did nothing to make you say he is going to be a franchise QB and Philly(Reid/Management) decided that Mcnabb's future in Philly was done after last season. Vick was brought in last season and hardly played never really given any shot at being the starter because Mcnabb was still there obviously. Mcnabb is traded and they still don't give him the oppurtinity to win the starting job, Kolb is given the job without any hesistation. Doesn't look great during preseason, Vick does justice with the second and third teams, still no shot. Kolb looks horrible in first half gets knocked out, Vick comes in with less reps in practice and almost wins it.

You can saw what you want about the Packers defense not being ready all you want for Vick, dude still looks like he can run an NFL team and be a starter in my eyes. If Kolb can go, then he has to start. Give him a couple more if need be, but they have a quality QB sitting on there bench with a chip on his shoulder. Rotting away because their head coach is an IDIOT.

Start Vick and save your job Andy.

Man, if we're talking about giving Kolb "a couple more" I wanna talk quarters, not games.

Shit, this ain't some Disney movie. Reid can't make Kolb talented by believing in him.

 

[cobbland]

Look, Vick ain't the GOAT and he doesn't fit the traditional mold of what people value in a great QB, but he gets the job done his own way.

He ain't a good passer

Far from the best, but when the opposing team can't run a pass defense without still worrying about the QB running for big yards, you're gonna see some easier targets out there. If that doesn't happen, Vick can always call the bluff and run. These defenses aren't prepared to be constantly threatened with a big running play while at the same time the QB is dropping back to pass.

He only looked good because the Packers D spent all week studying Kolb

Fair enough, but don't forget the flip side. The Eagles offense spent all week preparing Kolb and the rest of the team for Kolb to the QB. Vick and the Eagles offense had to adjust as well, and they did a good job of it.

Vick isn't a quarterback. He's a runningback who takes direct snaps

Ok, well aside from this "runningback" rushing for over 100 yards in half a game, he also completed 16 of 24 (2/3rds) passes for a total of 175 yards. Meanwhile, Kolb completed only 5 of his 10 pass attempts (1/2) for a total of 24 yards. So if Vick "isn't a quarterback", what is Kolb?

Vick was never that great to begin with and The Eagles still lost

The Eagles were down 20-3, because Kolb couldn't find the endzone and Philadelphia's D were sufficiently matched that their ability to hold it close depended on reasonable offensive production. Vick came in and gave us a combined 278 yards, plus brought it down to a one score game. Your favorite QB is still unlikely to bring you the win if you start him off halfway through the game with a 3 score deficit. But yes, we lost, and in fact, the loss became a certainty when Vick was unable to convert short yardage fourth down on foot. No one talks about that bad play, but if it had been a bad pass that ended the Eagles chance of winning, everyone would be talking about "see that? vick can't throw.

Well, point is, you can talk all sorts of shit about Vick was never really that good, but in 2010, he looks pretty fuckin good to me and many others. I don't get where the hate comes from just because this guy has a lot of success rushing for big gains in passing plays. So what if he's running instead of passing. He's getting first down and putting points on the board.

This shit reminds me of 5th grade math class, when I was a wiz kid, so I ignored whatever formula to teacher was telling us to solve an equation, cause I could just figure out my own way and do the whole thing in my head. I got every answer right on my quiz using my own method and the teacher took points off cause even though my answers were right, I didn't "solve them the right way". Same thing here. Vick produces for the team, but people are mad that he doesn't use the traditional method.

Well said...

 

[bow to royalty]

Problem with Vick is he's ranked too high by people IMO. People who think Vick should start, where do you rank him amongst current QB's?