Shaq and Kobe VS Shaq and Penny...

[numbaz...80's baby]

Meh.....

Who knows?

 

[Trollio]

Penny got top 5 shoes

 

[Bulletproof Wallets]

Penny got top 5 shoes

Best Post in July.

 

[esco soprano]

Shaq and Penny would have gotten it done.

 

[Peace_79]

Shaq and Penny would have gotten it done.

Niggas sleeping on Penny like they just got a visit from the tooth fairy.

Amnesia-having Ass niggas

 

[Peace_79]

Him and Penny would've been just as, if not more dominant as he was with Kobe. Niggas forget that Penny was getting at Mike in the nineties, and he was well on his way to a hall of fame career if not for the injuries. And everybody is bringing up the Western Conference in the 00's like the East in the 90's was a walk in the park. You had the Bulls, Knicks and Pacers as championship-caliber damn near every year of the decade, not to mention the Bullets/Wizards (with Webber, Howard, Cheaney and nem), the Heat (with Zo and Tim Hardaway), and Charlotte (with Glen Rice) having consistently solid teams. Shaq and Penny would have had just as much work back then, too.

If Shaq stayed in that garbage East with Penny he would've possibly seen more Finals in the early 00s but whoever came out the West if it were to be Portland in 00,Spurs in 01 or Kings in 02 they would easily walk away with the title just like Houston did in 95...

It would've been tough, but easily? Nigga, please, any team Shaq was on in his prime (99-03) was never going to be easily beaten.

Shaq got swept in 99 (before Kobes' big jump as a player) and Spurs beat them pretty easily in 03...

So the Lakers got swept out of the playoffs too?

Just like the Magic...

You saying Penny couldn't have made a "jump as a player"

The core of your argument is that the Magic had their shot and they failed... So did damn near EVERY other Championship team in history...

 

[Peace_79]

Ifs Never Happen

shits not even comparable.

Penny (at his best) and Shaq didn't win so it's safe to say if Shaq stayed that would remain the case,

Penny was "at his best" according to you...

He was 4 years into the league before injury .. For comparisons'a sake, that's less seasons that Steph Curry has had.

Do you think Steph has plateaued as a player ? ...

Ifs Never Happen

shits not even comparable.

[the Magic would never win a ring]... which is why Shaq left ... [the Lakers supporting cast was much better than what he had with the Magic]...

1 -

Their supporting casts were comparable and the Magic roster was collectively growing into their prime before they broke up.

-3D

-Nick Anderson

-B shaw

-Horace Grant

These guys were no scrubs, they made it to the Finals in the 90s.

Even if that angle was correct, you are basically saying that the supporting cast was the issue... Not Penny... Which shoots a hole in the foot of your entire argument...

2-

How are you making a young, egoistical, money-hungry Shaq out to be a wise, calculating Nostradamus?

That was ONE factor in his Decision, and it was HIS perception. Dude probably thought he could have won anywhere...

Remember he left Kobe too. Was it because Kobe was starting to suck and the Lakers couldn't win again with him?... Or did he have other motivations?

His actions are hardly the basis by which to judge Penny Hardaway's potential.

 

[Young Stef]

Penny had experience Kobe airballed out the gym rookie year against the Jazz but the Black Mamba don't fuck around tho.

 

[SELASI_i]

penny was a good player but not built for the long haul and he had a little bit of that lebron tentativeness in him as well, he would defer at times even though he was a major threat on the drive and on the perimeter. penny never put up mvp numbers and never was even considered mvp.

 

[S2J]

@Peace_79

I think what u not accounting for is Penny was a PG. Kobe was a scorer. So Orlando's supporting cast would be asked to do more than LA's.

Rick fox, Fish, horry, etc would just b asked to hit open shots and play D. Nick Anderson, Grant, and Scott were asked to have big games and score. Penny wasn't the type to go put and drop 30, he was a PG

 

[Peace_79]

@Peace_79

I think what u not accounting for is Penny was a PG. Kobe was a scorer. So Orlando's supporting cast would be asked to do more than LA's.

Rick fox, Fish, horry, etc would just b asked to hit open shots and play D. Nick Anderson, Grant, and Scott were asked to have big games and score. Penny wasn't the type to go put and drop 30, he was a PG

@S2J I hear that and I mostly agree with you.

But supporting casts can be added to or augmented. You can't tell me that their core wasn't very, very good. The argument that they weren't good enough to win a title, especially with some additions, doesn't hold water...

And I think you are putting to much weight on PG vs SG and the impact it has on the efficacy of a supporting cast.

It isn't a zero sum game. Penny running the show has advantages and disadvantages vs Kobe carrying a larger load offensively.

 

[playmaker88]

Like i said Ifs dont happen.. Kobe was playing Penny and Mikes role with those teams.

They played for a championship and got washed.. Shit i could have been Jordan but i wasnt.....

 

[Peace_79]

penny was a good player but not built for the long haul and he had a little bit of that lebron tentativeness in him as well, he would defer at times even though he was a major threat on the drive and on the perimeter. penny never put up mvp numbers and never was even considered mvp.

The premise of this thread assumes that Penny WAS built for the long haul. Take away durability and build your case on his potential and caliber as a player...

How many MVP seasons did Kobe have in his first 4 years in the league?

You think if Shaq stayed in Orlando, Penny's game ascedned, and the Magic got some rings; Penny would never be looked at as an MVP candidate?

We know his career sucked. We are clear on that.

What if it wasn't derailed by injury?

Using fair assessment of his potential, start your argument there.

 

[Peace_79]

Like i said Ifs dont happen.. Kobe was playing Penny and Mikes role with those teams.

They played for a championship and got washed.. Shit i could have been Jordan but i wasnt.....

lol. Yeah ... definitely the same thing.

But you don't have to entertain the question if you ain't about that. I respect your opinion.

It is definitely comparable though, it doesn't take much thought to make the comparison.

 

[SELASI_i]

penny was a good player but not built for the long haul and he had a little bit of that lebron tentativeness in him as well, he would defer at times even though he was a major threat on the drive and on the perimeter. penny never put up mvp numbers and never was even considered mvp.

The premise of this thread assumes that Penny WAS built for the long haul. Take away durability and build your case on his potential and caliber as a player...

How many MVP seasons did Kobe have in his first 4 years in the league?

You think if Shaq stayed in Orlando, Penny's game ascedned, and the Magic got some rings; Penny would never be looked at as an MVP candidate?

We know his career sucked. We are clear on that.

What if it wasn't derailed by injury?

Using fair assessment of his potential, start your argument there.

the mvp discussion and kobe goes back to vale colorado.

no doubt since we talking (IF's) IF kobe didn't get accused of rape and lose all those endorsements for that one season.

he would have won an mvp that season as well. he was robbed, no doubt steve nash put up numbers that season but he should not have one the mvp over kobe that year.

since we talkin IF's

 

[Peace_79]

penny was a good player but not built for the long haul and he had a little bit of that lebron tentativeness in him as well, he would defer at times even though he was a major threat on the drive and on the perimeter. penny never put up mvp numbers and never was even considered mvp.

The premise of this thread assumes that Penny WAS built for the long haul. Take away durability and build your case on his potential and caliber as a player...

How many MVP seasons did Kobe have in his first 4 years in the league?

You think if Shaq stayed in Orlando, Penny's game ascedned, and the Magic got some rings; Penny would never be looked at as an MVP candidate?

We know his career sucked. We are clear on that.

What if it wasn't derailed by injury?

Using fair assessment of his potential, start your argument there.

[kobe] would have won an mvp that season as well. he was robbed ...

since we talkin IF's

Ok, brotha. I don't doubt that.

Thing is, that MVP would not change my perception of Kobe. Hands down he is Top 10 All Time and to me and you could make the case for top 5.

Kobe's greatness doesn't detract from Penny's potential in he mid 90s.

 

[SELASI_i]

penny was a good player but not built for the long haul and he had a little bit of that lebron tentativeness in him as well, he would defer at times even though he was a major threat on the drive and on the perimeter. penny never put up mvp numbers and never was even considered mvp.

The premise of this thread assumes that Penny WAS built for the long haul. Take away durability and build your case on his potential and caliber as a player...

How many MVP seasons did Kobe have in his first 4 years in the league?

You think if Shaq stayed in Orlando, Penny's game ascedned, and the Magic got some rings; Penny would never be looked at as an MVP candidate?

We know his career sucked. We are clear on that.

What if it wasn't derailed by injury?

Using fair assessment of his potential, start your argument there.

[kobe] would have won an mvp that season as well. he was robbed ...

since we talkin IF's

Ok, brotha. I don't doubt that.

Thing is, that MVP would not change my perception of Kobe. Hands down he is Top 10 All Time and to me and you could make the case for top 5.

Kobe's greatness doesn't detract from Penny's potential in he mid 90s.

no doubt penny is one of my all time favs and i think it's a shame what happen to that boy knees

 

[S2J]

Ironically enough, i ran into this old head at the hood bbq spot and he said his son played for that orlando team

'Man i used to hang with d Scott and Shaq, i used to practically live at D Scott house'

Lol I aint believe him but he said his son is Lonnie Harell (AND 1 Prime Objective) and he actually did play for Orldando practice squad

 

[Peace_79]

Lol. That dude Prime Objective was cold af, b.

 

[raisethe3]

Want honest answer? Shaq and Penny together would probably got at least 1 or 2 rings depending on the talent surrounding them. They had the potential to be really good, but we all know how it ended.