Scottie Pippen says he was 'LeBron James before LeBron James'

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

To me Lebron is just a better athlete.

Pippen had better mid-range shot, better 3pt shooter, better FT shooter, better touch near the rim, more clutch....and this was in a much more physical era of basketball. Imagine if teams were able to get really physical with Lebron.

Passing i would call even as Pippen had MJ on his team so naturally he didn't have ball in his hands as much as Lebron. Even though Pippen was a great passer.

Glad there are a few posters who are objective and know what they are talking about

 

[Shizlansky]

Been saying this for years actually.

Lebron is a better player than Scottie Pippen was but the playing styles and strong points are similar.

Pippen was better on the ball defender and 3 point shooter but I'd give Lebron the nod in all other areas.

People compare Lebron's game to MJ and Kobe but his assets are more similar to Pippens with more size, strength, and athleticism Bron is a much better player than Pippen ever was though.

To me Lebron is just a better athlete.

Pippen had better mid-range shot, better 3pt shooter, better FT shooter, better touch near the rim, more clutch....and this was in a much more physical era of basketball. Imagine if teams were able to get really physical with Lebron.

Passing i would call even as Pippen had MJ on his team so naturally he didn't have ball in his hands as much as Lebron. Even though Pippen was a great passer.

Well he should be the best player ever.

 

[luke1733]

Steve Kerr and Barkley have said the same as well. However, Pippen had a jump shot and a 3pt shot.

Steve Kerr: LeBron Similar To Scottie Pippen, Not Michael Jordan

“The irony to me is that LeBron is not Michael. LeBron is actually Scottie. He’s so similar to Scottie in that defensively he was just a monster, could guard anybody, really more of a point forward than scoring guard. Scottie always loved to distribute the ball. That’s really where LeBron’s preference is.

"Phil Jackson used to call Scottie a 'sometimes shooter.' Sometimes they would go in, sometimes they wouldn't. That's how it is with LeBron. He's a great talent and a great player but you can see his flaws as a basketball player. He doesn't have an offensive game that he can rely on: no low-post game, no mid-range jump shot so when the game really gets tough he has a hard time finding easy baskets and getting himself going. That's what Michael did in his sleep so that's why the comparison is wrong."

Barkley here saying "the media told this guy he was Jordan when he's really Pippen or maybe Magic"

Good point, now here's Barkley contradicting himself:

 

[Go figure]

i think LBJ gets more hate than he gets love.

other than me and my bro, i really dont know anyone who wanted him to win in the finals. granted chicago is a rival, but u look on facebook comments under sports pages n people i know from out of town it seems 90% of the country hates him. most of the remaining 10% come from the media and cleveland.

 

[S2J]

We already knew that though... it's just that LeBron does Scottie Pippen better than Scottie Pippen.

Why did this post get 2 no-signs? Lol

I no-sign because I dont think Bron is a better point forward the Pippen.

Defensively the only player in their category I knew to cook Pip head-to head was Grant Hill. Melo stay cooking bron head-to-head, and Melo is no Grant Hill.

Im a fan of all 4 players game btw

Pippen never got buckets, or carried a squad like LeBron either.

So THREE nggas no-signed this. Yea, definitely an agenda here.

I know what yall are thinking, 'but but that ONE year, Scottie led the team in all categories!'

Yes, Pip avg a nice lil 23, 8, 6 something like that. If LeBron averages that as the best player on his team---IN HIS PRIME- -- he'd never hear the end.

Even if its only due to being stronger rather than skill, its still his attribute. So for that reason alone Bron gets buckets more than Pippen ever could or did. EASY.

So obviously we GET the comparison, but Lebron is better than Pippen , period. No need to give Pippen any moral victories

And Pip is my 2nd favorite player ever behind Mike. #objectivity

 

[S2J]

Pippen is criminally underrated

Eh, No...actually no, he's not. Name consistently in the same breath as the greatest. Considered an All time greatest defender, probably THE best wing defender. Point forward, you think of Pip. Predecessor of he modern 6'7 n up SF.

Yea, no. His legacy is good. He's rated appropriately

 

[Inglewood_B]

Reading some of these posts remind me why I ain't in the cheap seats as much

 

[MallyG]

Lebron bias is at an all time high for a guy with no jumpshot, no 3 point shot and a excessive traveling habit. What team has Lebron carried? He carried a cavs teams to the finals early in his career when the East was even weaker then it was now. Pippen almost carried the Bulls himself to the finals if it wasn't for that phantom foul call on starks.

I bet you lebron dick riders will say lebron got better defense then pippen to.....smh this is getting out of hand

Does this dumb nigga even think before he types?

Lmmaaaaoooo!!

 

[BlackAX410]

Reading some of these posts remind me why I ain't in the cheap seats as much

Gotta post during the regular season, less trolls and agenda posting lls

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Pippen still and will always have a chip on his shoulders

 

[luke1733]

i think LBJ gets more hate than he gets love.

other than me and my bro, i really dont know anyone who wanted him to win in the finals. granted chicago is a rival, but u look on facebook comments under sports pages n people i know from out of town it seems 90% of the country hates him. most of the remaining 10% come from the media and cleveland.

I'll take you seriously. But really though???

I'll admit that on his Miami decision he was critiqued too harshly for 2 years in Miami, until he won the ring.

Other than that I have never seen a player in the history of the game receive so much love for so long. Magic, Bird and Jordan are probably the only players I've seen come close to that type of love/fandom.

But the reason Lebron's favortism tops theirs is because they had to WIN college championships or win NBA championships before the type of adoration Lebron was given in High School was given.

Then using phrases like "you all have witnessed," "the king" before he even got a ring.

Now it's the best player on the planet, they say this EVERY time like it's his last name.

Lebron wasn't even in the NBA and in High School I remember hearing about him like crazy and ESPN even showed his games on tv then. Then, his rookie year in the NBA coaches, Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley and even Cleveland ownership sat him down separately and told him to dominate the ball and stop passing and he had to shoot and the franchise was his.

Now to people, how many people who used to say there were Miami fans now were Cleveland fans? He been a part of 3 moves in the NBA (Cleveland then Miami then Cleveland). That should alienate a fan base. It did a little bit for him.

Then He has the number one selling jersey. Who do you think is buying it?

Then when he lost against San Antonio Spurs and Golden State the news the next day and fans on here on AHH (you know which ones) all they bitched about was how great he was and how he should've, could've, would've won if, if, if. Even the news the next day with Stephen A, Chris Broussard, CNN and almost everybody gave more attention to Lebron James and his stats than they did to Golden State for winning.

 

[luke1733]

Maybe you're joking on people hating Lebron, cause for over 10 years (minus the 2 after 'the decision") this dude's been America's golden boy and the media's darling.

I don't even hear the media critique him at all (besides that white dude who sits across from Stephen A), even Jordan got critiqued in his game. The most they say about Lebron is "he should have shot that shot instead of passed." or "he looks fatigued."

I'd say this year was the first year (since "the decision") I've seen people actually get tired of hearing about Lebron.

Overall Kobe, Jordan, Magic, Bird went through this phase: after you win sooo many titles or are seen as the face of the NBA for so long people get sick of hearing and seeing you. They don't even want to play with you (Kobe), instead they want to beat you (Kobe) or see you lose (Kobe). That's the curse of winning. The Dark Knight/Batman. They love you to hate you (Michael Jackson). That's when the haters come. People get sick of watching the same person or team win.

As for me, I really ain't got no problem with Bron, I don't fucking know him, but I get sick of having to hear so much about him like their isn't a league and he's the only player.

Then people saying stuff about certain aspects of his game that aren't true, just b/c he's the only player they've really been studying or watching for 10 years.

It's like saying Prince is a rip off of Jimi Hendrix because you never heard Carlos Santana play the guitar.

 

[coop9889]

Have you ever been on social media or internet forums after his losses in the finals?

I'm questioning if you live under a rock luke

 

[Go figure]

i know the media loves lebron, no arguments there

im not talking about 2 seasons ago or his rookie year im talking about this season that just ended. from my perspective, it was very rare to find someone, in chicago at least, who wasnt hell bent on him losing. the media always covers the biggest superstar, before lebron and after lebron. He doesn't get special treatment that past superstars didnt.

after you win sooo many titles or are seen as the face of the NBA for so long people get sick of hearing and seeing you. They don't even want to play with you (Kobe), instead they want to beat you (Kobe) or see you lose (Kobe). That's the curse of winning. The Dark Knight/Batman. They love you to hate you (Michael Jackson). That's when the haters come.

The first nba fans to love hating LBJ were the hardcore kobe fans. they didnt wanna see another player win.

 

[luke1733]

Have you ever been on social media or internet forums after his losses in the finals?

I'm questioning if you live under a rock luke

Mere fact you exist is proof of the undying support dude gets.

Convincing you is like trying to convince a white man he's privileged who's in denial.

Go suck his dick.

Social media ain't the fucking espn reporters on tv. They don't critique him (besides saying he's tired or he should have shot that).

It's no where near the damn critiquing Jordan, Iverson, hell even Sprewell used to get.

YOUR Boy Lebron gets all the Love, now you want to say he's also the most hated???

Privileged folks always want to make it seem as if they faced adversity and struggle the same as someone else who really went through shit. (except for when he left Cleveland the first time)

Can't have it both ways and I'm calling you out for it. that's why i'm writing this.

What the fuck you want, everybody to praise him and love him???

Then your ass would get jealous cause someone else is kissing your Daddy like Lil Wayne.

Until this year, the love for James in the NBA and majority on social media was (except, like I keep saying for the one year he made that "decision" in Miami) all for Lebron. A person could barely critique him even in public without 5 stans taking up for dude.

Fuck it. If you love him you love him and you just gonna hate who ever says anything not great about him and think the world is against him. As a person who really don't give a fuck about him, but does get sick of y'all dickriders i can tell you the media Adores him, the NBA has let him get away with a ton of shit, the people are finally just now in 2015 getting tired of seeing everyone including coop9889 ignoring all his shit and trying to recruit fans after 10 or 12 years of looking at his same dunk, great rebounding and leadership, boring dribbles, NBA's first recruiting agent for other Hall of famers to play with.

You and everyone that makes that comment about people hating Lebron must be dumb as hell or if you're not dumb I give you the excuse for (having to wait 15 years for Kobe's career to die because you hated his ass or) that or just being a young person who he's actually the greatest you've ever seen and the greatest to play for the past 8 years.

Proof of the Love for Lebron:

1stAllhiphop.com Stan's who emoji every critique anyone says about Lebron

2nd nbatv

3rd ESPN (all their reporters except white dude Skip)

4th the amount of people buying his jersey

5th all the coverage (except in Oakland and SF) the day after Golden State wins the Finals was on Lebron (and nobody was blaming Lebron, instead they gave him coverage and exalted him)

6th he really,really, almost got FINALS MVP for a series his team lost.

7th on all the social media in the past 5 years sites for people talking about the greatest NBA players EVER to play the game he's in most people's top 5. These are damn reporters doing this.

8th all the individuals on SOCIAL MEDIA that find every stat Lebron is great at and compare only those stats and games to other great players to prove the fact (a fact nobody denies) that he's great.

If it wasn't for people who can put his legacy in perspective (some haters) then y'all would be saying he's the greatest ever (and yeah I know coop don't say he's the greatest, but dude defends folks that just critique him. You responding to me who just says dude gets a lot of love and you take offense to that. Man you must love that mutha fucka more than you even know.)



It's alright coop0889 to have that

THUGGIN LOVE. Just admit it bitch.

You love this dude and you ain't even gonna let it be known. Come out the closet.

The media says it's okay to be what you are.

 

[luke1733]

i know the media loves lebron, no arguments there

im not talking about 2 seasons ago or his rookie year im talking about this season that just ended. from my perspective, it was very rare to find someone, in chicago at least, who wasnt hell bent on him losing. the media always covers the biggest superstar, before lebron and after lebron. He doesn't get special treatment that past superstars didnt.

after you win sooo many titles or are seen as the face of the NBA for so long people get sick of hearing and seeing you. They don't even want to play with you (Kobe), instead they want to beat you (Kobe) or see you lose (Kobe). That's the curse of winning. The Dark Knight/Batman. They love you to hate you (Michael Jackson). That's when the haters come.

The first nba fans to love hating LBJ were the hardcore kobe fans. they didnt wanna see another player win.

He gets special treatment. I'm telling you he does. Ain't noone really gonna deny that; I guess except you.

You can't touch him or it's a foul and that's not as bad as how the REFS never call foul on him when he hacks players, he never walk even when taking 4 steps, the entire NBA and its affiliates never report on his negative character attributes like cussing out his mom on camera, cussing out teammate and threatening to fight Mario chalmers in the finals, bumping his Miami coach purposefully hard and forcing him out his way, semi-being the reason D-Wade just lost a lot of money, recruiting players to play with him season after season, getting coaches fired, and I'm tired of writing so I'll leave it at that.

I just wrote alot earlier to that coop dude (another stan) so I'll stay short with you.



Lebron fans can be summarized like this:

1st-People who hated and waited 15 years for Kobe to stop winning championships or being in the Finals

(and had to root for the Spurs, Celtics or Detroit or y'all just stopped watching the NBA altogether until Lebron. Admit it. You know it's true. Come on, come on, you can do it....say it. I can hear you stutter:

"I hated K...O....B...e")

2nd-People who Lebron was really the only mega-superstar in the NBA they've seen dominate the game for the past 8 years and are too young to have actually been able to understand the game (from players setting picks, moves chosen, place in history etcetera) and witness other players contributions.

3rd-People who like to watch a ball dominant player run isolations for a game and a willing passer and overrall a great player and find his style entertaining.



Lebron haters can be summarized like this:

1st-People who watched the media scorn Kobe and almost put him in prison just because he shit on Shaq, then turn around and praise an 18 year old as the GREATEST before he won 1 title and then compare him as BETTER than a dude who won 5.

2nd- People who are studying and students of the game and get mad at how easy the game comes for Lebron and how you can't mimick or study 6'8 288lbs and just running people over.

3rd-People who actually like teams besides the one that Lebron is on and hate seeing him beat their team year after year.

4th- People who are tired of every NBA story for the past 8 years being about Lebron, even when he loses championships.

5th-People who want to say he's the GREATEST ever

6th-People that find his moves to get past a player boring

Let me clear things up and give the man credit. This is what people often don't do.

I'm not being hard on him, I'm critiquing him. Before I make folks emojii or cry

1-His game in the past 2 years has risen to epic levels.

2-He takes on social issues such as Trayvon in ways that he doesn't have to and he pioneers it. He's an activist.

3-His image is clean and he's a good role model

4-He is worthy of the current praise he receives and has been the best and most dominant player in the game for the past 7 or 8 years.

5-The NBA probably won't see another player like him in a long time (Oscar Robertson was the last time)

6-He brought in something to the NBA nobody ever saw before and that was a player getting together with other players not on his team in the off-season and orchestrating their contracts and sacrificing their careers and money so they could play together and win a championship. He was the NBA's first player Recruiter/Agent. His name should be 007.

7-For his size we have never seen (unless ur 60 and remember Oscar Robertson) a guy with his size and athletic ability dominate the game as a Point Forward (Scottie Pippen)the way he does with his strength, determination, stamina, smarts and skill.

8-He is a student of the game

9-teammates generally seem to like him as a person

10-He had placed on him unbelievably hard expectations projected on him, and that's unfair, and he met and exceeded all expectations that were put on him since his rookie year. thats an accomplishment. only player i remember since his high school days with that pressure was kevin garnett

I can critique him also, but y'all just get mad when I do that shit. So I'll leave this post to giving him credit.

 

[Go figure]

Lol bruh look at your responses, that says it all

 

[luke1733]

that was the whole point, to give every side. Go figure. I give the man credit and you still mad? Read that former line again gofigure.

I'm making basketball points and u brining feelings to it.

That was one of the main points I make.

I might type too much shit (I'll admit that) but the shit's right and on point.

You wanted a response, so I gave it. I type fast and type alot. I'd gladly talk about Pippen, Steph Curry, Dwight or some other players.

What about the unfair treatment D-Rose has received? There other players, but since this thread is on Bron I stayed on point.

 

[Go figure]

u sound pretty passionate about this topic, ima let u do u

 

[coop9889]

Holyshit nigga you just said a lot of shit just to be wrong.

You just said Lebron doesn't get any hate. All I implied was that you were wrong, and laughably so. Absolutely nothing to do with if I feel it's deserved or not. You imagining things and making shit up.

If you don't think a shitload of niggas hate LeBron you must watch all games by yourself and have no social media apps and watch espn on mute.

Which, judging by the amount of time you put into them posts, you living the hermit life wouldn't be too farfetched.