SC pig flips over & then slams a young black girl in class for being "verbally disruptive"...

[Kwan Dai]

His pussy ass is fired so that's the end of that. Pigs need to know that they can't do that shit.

If, that's the case that is good start. I'd like to see the teacher receive some type of discipline as well. His inability to deal with a quietly protesting\disagreeable student is troubling. Calling massa isn't a solution.

In fact ALL schools should begin assessing their cell phone\tablet\laptop policy. I am not quite able to wrap my brain around a student briefly checking their phone as being an offense that warrants expulsion, suspension or the device being confiscated. However, during testing I can understand harsh and swift punishment.

I would rather a teacher determine whether or not this is something they need to stop class to address or give participation deductions for.

 

[Brother_Five]

Some of U have a weird punishment fetish.

U have been conditioned to think that the solution to problem behavior is extreme punishment despite all evidence to the contrary.

It's pretty pathetic.

 

[jono]

With people wanting metal detectors, video cameras, guns and police in schools it should be no surprise that its been likened to prison.

But at the same time what can you do? Schools are having brawls, kids and teachers are bringing weapons, there are constant fights between students and staff even students and administration, what can you do?

The culture of schools changed drastically over like 40 years or so. School shootings weren't a thing, gang violence, drug dealing, rampant molestation, bullying, teenage pregnancies and child abuse, what do you want?

The only answer is to basically kill schooling. Just end it all, kids can barely read or do math anyway so its ineffective on top of being potentially dangerous but this shit seems to be a uniquely American thing.

Who asked for metal detectors, cameras, and police in schools?

The communities and teachers where the threat of violence is most believed to be.

The schools where metal detectors should be they aren't in most cases. Which are predominately white schools where most of not ALL school shootings have occurred.

This is more if an argument for expansion of the same. Kids dont get shot in schools in the hood because of metal detectors but they sure do get shot outside or at the bus stop near the school

What you can do is, scrutinize the curriculum. Challenge why predominately Black schools are forced into a box to teach irrelevant courses to students who have no interest in them.

Thats good but we talking about the culture. That makes shit like what that cop did happen in the first place. You damn right it wouldn't happen at a private school or a public school in a wealthy neighborhood because they probably don't have police on the grounds.

Challenge why vocational programs have been abandoned.

I believe it comes down to tracking. Folks hated tracking because it told kids indirectly that they couldn't achieve educational goals so they redirected them to the workforce. Which is chiefly the problem in urban areas anyway. They teach kids to be worker bees and not problem solvers.

Challenge teachers to have more then a BA to teach. Challenge teachers to actually care about students more so then a pay check.

They cant afford the teachers they have now. A teacher with a Master's going to want more money. Teaching is a passion profession not somewhere you can expect to get rich but it should be understood that teaching is mad stressful.

There are lots of things that can be done. But when it concerns majority Black and Brown kids the attitude is, only the strong the survive.

Its the attitude permeating through American culture in general. Its hungry hungry hippos out here, grab as many marbles as you can fuck the next man.

 

[Billy_Poncho]

I think some of you niggas are actually delighted to see this, all that hatred y'all have for the teenage girls that've sucked their teeth and rolled their eyes at you was manifested by this cop

 

[Ajackson17]

So who was supporting the officer in this thread? I usually don't go in these threads cause some dudes be jumping up and down when a black woman gets hers, but when a black man gets beaten down or shot they start boo hooing. If you don't respect black women, then you don't respect black people as a whole.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Some of U have a weird punishment fetish.

U have been conditioned to think that the solution to problem behavior is extreme punishment despite all evidence to the contrary.

It's pretty pathetic.

I once heard a wise brother say in regards to educating children. "When a child determines you don't have their best interest at heart, you have lost them. "

 

[desertrain10]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

And that's where the process comes into effect. The teacher uses his authority to recommend that the child doesn't return to the class. Not go to jail.

She'd already surrendered her authority. It fell upon the cop to do the right thing and he didn't,

I don't blame the teacher and the school administrators...the officer is responsible for his actions

But why did they resort to calling the officer after making little to no effort to reason with the girl according to reports, especially when her offense was so minor?

The girl was being unruly but I'm just not down with our schools pushing our kids into the juvenile and criminal justice systems for non violent offenses, i.e. by welcoming law enforcement into the equation ...especially when we know for fact that black kids are seen as more older, more a threat, less innocent than their non blk peers...there is already studies that have found blk kids face harsher punishment than their white peers for similar offenses

Not saying let the kids do whatever, but schools aren't suppose to be police states and the kids treated like criminals either

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It most certainly isn't a problem. A policy was broken and the faculty overreacted.

It's not weird. Her classmate said, she BEGGED the teacher to not take her phone as, she had only checked it briefly. Which, she did POLITELY according to the classmate. So, going by her classmates accounts she made a mistake and politely tried plead with the teacher. Which indicates she wasn't trying to get out of class, not pay intention and certainly not be defiant to the point that her assed would be kicked and jailed.

How is it not a problem? We both agree that the actions of the adults in this case are ridiculous, but this stance that some of you are taking that the teacher was wrong for even checking her for breaking the rules is crazy too. Fuck it, I don't know. None of it makes sense to me. If she was really apologetic and it was honestly just a momentary lapse in judgement, why was she so defiant with the cop. Did he really just flip out like that because she didn't do what he said instantly? If that dude is the off balance, he needs to be fired and whoever hired him needs to be fired too.

 

[Copper]

Maybe if these kids had parents that actually did they fucking job, her little ass wouldn't have been acting up in school in the first damn place.

That's the problem with these young niggas nowadays, think because they got a camera on they phone, they get a free pass for not acting like responsible citizens.

Tell us more about how her parents and camera phones are responsible for her getting tossed across the room for refusing to leave please...

Even though it was gum that was the reason she was asked to leave and most teens don't act like “responsible citizens" and her classmates said she was quite and they didn't even know there was a problem till the teacher called security

 

[rapmusic]

I love how people are acting like that school is fucking Eastside High. It's a big nice looking high school with a decent mix of ethnic groups. People would rather go out of their way to defend this cop than realise that he didn't have to throw that girl. Imagine our civilian asses handling problems that way. Imagine the world being ok with a man beating or killing his woman because he told her to cook dinner and she said no. Parents are getting arrested for whipping their kids but this is cool? Yeah ok...

 

[Maximus Rex]

What can we do about this besides marching and protesting?

This, These Empty Ass Protests Need to Stop,http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/524911/these-empty-ass-protests-need-to-stop

 

[Kwan Dai]

It most certainly isn't a problem. A policy was broken and the faculty overreacted.

It's not weird. Her classmate said, she BEGGED the teacher to not take her phone as, she had only checked it briefly. Which, she did POLITELY according to the classmate. So, going by her classmates accounts she made a mistake and politely tried plead with the teacher. Which indicates she wasn't trying to get out of class, not pay intention and certainly not be defiant to the point that her assed would be kicked and jailed.

How is it not a problem? We both agree that the actions of the adults in this case are ridiculous, but this stance that some of you are taking that the teacher was wrong for even checking her for breaking the rules is crazy too. Fuck it, I don't know. None of it makes sense to me. If she was really apologetic and it was honestly just a momentary lapse in judgement, why was she so defiant with the cop. Did he really just flip out like that because she didn't do what he said instantly? If that dude is the off balance, he needs to be fired and whoever hired him needs to be fired too.

I am not taking that stance.

I am saying for such minor infractions you can "check" a student by giving them a zero for class participation. You can "check a student by saying "see me after class". You can check a student by "writing them the up". The time spent by these teachers engaging students because, their ego's are hurt can be spent more productively by administering some of my suggestions.

I think it's quite apparent the student didn't believe her punishment warranted being tossed out of class.

 

[texasdaking88]

Some of U have a weird punishment fetish.

U have been conditioned to think that the solution to problem behavior is extreme punishment despite all evidence to the contrary.

It's pretty pathetic.

Them niggas are pathetic... No surprise them the same niggas that. Wanna vote for Donald Trump becuz "he keeps it real".....

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Justice would be him getting snatched up and stomped publicly.

My emotions say his daughter needs to be dragged out of class and stomped publicly.

 

[illedout]

Eventually the cop was going to hurt one of those kids or get in trouble for throwing one around..

they say the girl told everybody to take out their phones and record before the cop even came into the class..

It's obvious he's been fucking the students up for a while now,

one of the students even said way before this incident,

everybody in the school including the teachers nick-named the cop "Slam",

cause he's known for slamming the shit out of the students..

The cop was out of pocket for putting his hands on them kids..

 

[Maximus Rex]

Or just speak to her and talk her into leaving. Cops are supposed to mediate the situation, not escalate.

You have the average cop confused with hostage negotiators. Besides when have the punk ass cops ever mediated and de-escalated a situation involving black people?

 

[rebootx1]

For the record I'm black but I don't see how multiple adults can tell this minor to do something and she not listen, then an officer reacts and it's a outrage, the student was totally out of line for not leaving, should she have been man handled no but when u dis obey the authority figures u open yourself up to anything, I think this was a success, he extracted her from the class with minimum calaterl damage, I'm not trolling I have been a victim of police abuse on multiple occasions myself even had drugs planted on me but I cannot agree with this girls actions, if u have a black kid teach them this world don't care about them and to please come home safe , not nobody better put they hands on u, you will be visiting your black child in the morgue if u teach them that kind of attitude

 

[Already Home_17]

should she have been man handled no but

there's no "yeah he was excessive/abusive but..". naw nigga. no buts. he was out of line. end of story

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It most certainly isn't a problem. A policy was broken and the faculty overreacted.

It's not weird. Her classmate said, she BEGGED the teacher to not take her phone as, she had only checked it briefly. Which, she did POLITELY according to the classmate. So, going by her classmates accounts she made a mistake and politely tried plead with the teacher. Which indicates she wasn't trying to get out of class, not pay intention and certainly not be defiant to the point that her assed would be kicked and jailed.

How is it not a problem? We both agree that the actions of the adults in this case are ridiculous, but this stance that some of you are taking that the teacher was wrong for even checking her for breaking the rules is crazy too. Fuck it, I don't know. None of it makes sense to me. If she was really apologetic and it was honestly just a momentary lapse in judgement, why was she so defiant with the cop. Did he really just flip out like that because she didn't do what he said instantly? If that dude is the off balance, he needs to be fired and whoever hired him needs to be fired too.

I am not taking that stance.

I am saying for such minor infractions you can "check" a student by giving them a zero for class participation. You can "check a student by saying "see me after class". You can check a student by "writing them the up". The time spent by these teachers engaging students because, their ego's are hurt can be spent more productively by administering some of my suggestions.

I think it's quite apparent the student didn't believe her punishment warranted being tossed out of class.

I agree with you that there were other options. I said that myself. We just disagree on this idea that a student gets to pick what her punishment should be. It doesn't matter if she believed her punishment warranted being tossed out of class. If the teacher told her to go, then she should have gotten up, left, and plead her case with one of the administrators.

Again, I'm not even saying I believe that she was being stupidly obstinate like that. I think that aspect of the story may be being exaggerated given some of the other comments that came out. But it's silly to suggest a student can do something wrong and then choose not to follow the punishment because he/she doesn't agree with the punishment. That's not the student's call to make.

 

[rebootx1]

Ok had she left the class none of this would have happened how bout that, I don't give of shit what u say had she left when she was told she wouldn't have had the floor sweep with her even if I was her dad I would had had the same view point, do as your told or immediately contact me.