SC pig flips over & then slams a young black girl in class for being "verbally disruptive"...

[numbaz...80's baby]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

 

[Kwan Dai]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I get what you guys are saying with the level of power/respect with students vs authoritative adults.

But this kid wasn't listening about leaving a class.

We don't know what their exchange was, apparently, it was so quiet that the students didn't even really know what was going on. (according to that tweet)

To me, it was all so petty. If she put the phone away, even after being told more than once, it's put away. It's definitely not in her hands in this video. The cop could've stood by and waited for the parents.

I get it, she holds the power.. no she doesn't. It was put away. Also, a lot of it has to do with how she may have been asked.

BUT

No other person should be able to physically touch my child, or anyone else's, without my consent, or me being present to do it myself.

If she was biligerent, I could understand. But she was calm as a lake on a cold foggy morning.

I get what you saying, and again, this shit seems over the top, but I don't agree that simply letting it go until her parents come is a valid solution. It doesn't really matter how she was asked. I'm sure there is a "no phones in class" policy and her knowingly and blatantly disregarding that is a problem.

This story seems weird though. I mean if she didn't give a fuck about class and the teacher told her to leave, I wonder why she would be so adamant in staying in the first place. One of the white kids in the class makes me think the whole explanation for why this went down is bullshit.

 

[Kwan Dai]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

Exactly. The punishment didn't fit the crime. All of that could have been done while she sat quietly in her seat. It could have waited until after class. So, many options here but of course lame dudes are going to side with lame dudes.

 

[jono]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

 

[Kwan Dai]

I get what you guys are saying with the level of power/respect with students vs authoritative adults.

But this kid wasn't listening about leaving a class.

We don't know what their exchange was, apparently, it was so quiet that the students didn't even really know what was going on. (according to that tweet)

To me, it was all so petty. If she put the phone away, even after being told more than once, it's put away. It's definitely not in her hands in this video. The cop could've stood by and waited for the parents.

I get it, she holds the power.. no she doesn't. It was put away. Also, a lot of it has to do with how she may have been asked.

BUT

No other person should be able to physically touch my child, or anyone else's, without my consent, or me being present to do it myself.

If she was biligerent, I could understand. But she was calm as a lake on a cold foggy morning.

I get what you saying, and again, this shit seems over the top, but I don't agree that simply letting it go until her parents come is a valid solution. It doesn't really matter how she was asked. I'm sure there is a "no phones in class" policy and her knowingly and blatantly disregarding that is a problem.

This story seems weird though. I mean if she didn't give a fuck about class and the teacher told her to leave, I wonder why she would be so adamant in staying in the first place. One of the white kids in the class makes me think the whole explanation for why this went down is bullshit.

It most certainly isn't a problem. A policy was broken and the faculty overreacted.

It's not weird. Her classmate said, she BEGGED the teacher to not take her phone as, she had only checked it briefly. Which, she did POLITELY according to the classmate. So, going by her classmates accounts she made a mistake and politely tried plead with the teacher. Which indicates she wasn't trying to get out of class, not pay intention and certainly not be defiant to the point that her assed would be kicked and jailed.

 

[numbaz...80's baby]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

And that's where the process comes into effect. The teacher uses his authority to recommend that the child doesn't return to the class. Not go to jail.

 

[jono]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

And that's where the process comes into effect. The teacher uses his authority to recommend that the child doesn't return to the class. Not go to jail.

She'd already surrendered her authority. It fell upon the cop to do the right thing and he didn't,

 

[Kwan Dai]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

Stop using juvenile words to excuse the inexcusable.

I mentioned nothing about being "COOL".

Fair and compassionate are the proper adjectives. Which, is what the teacher wasn't. While that is, a teachers prerogative to be or not to be. The teachers refusal not to be is what makes the teacher wrong and a just culpable as the officer who overreacted. There were so many avenues that could have been taken to avoid this unfortunate incident. And I would argue many of these avenues are taken with dealing with White students and in Predominately white schools.

 

[Kwan Dai]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

And that's where the process comes into effect. The teacher uses his authority to recommend that the child doesn't return to the class. Not go to jail.

WTF?

The child wasn't out of control.

 

[numbaz...80's baby]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

And that's where the process comes into effect. The teacher uses his authority to recommend that the child doesn't return to the class. Not go to jail.

WTF?

The child wasn't out of control.

She wasn't but she wasn't following the rules either. I don't see anything wrong with letting it slide. I also don't see anything wrong with addressing the situation. I just don't agree with body slamming them & sending them to jail.

 

[jono]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

Stop using juvenile words to excuse the inexcusable.

I mentioned nothing about being "COOL".

Fair and compassionate are the proper adjectives. Which, is what the teacher wasn't. While that is, a teachers prerogative to be or not to be. The teachers refusal not to be is what makes the teacher wrong and a just culpable as the officer who overreacted. There were so many avenues that could have been taken to avoid this unfortunate incident. And I would argue many of these avenues are taken with dealing with White students and in Predominately white schools.

"Deeper adjectives"...nigga please we on a message board. Im not writing a scholarly essay on here. Im shooting the shit.

Fairness is asking all the kids to follow the same rules, not letting one kid skirt around them because thats not fair to the others. How can you explain letting her use her phone and not letting the others? The point is nobody was supposed to, that's fair.

The bottom line is, the teacher needs to be empowered as the authority figure in the classroom. Once the teacher is put in the position to surrender authority then its "fuck teachers they cant do shit". The same logic follows up the ladder.

 

[jono]

With people wanting metal detectors, video cameras, guns and police in schools it should be no surprise that its been likened to prison.

But at the same time what can you do? Schools are having brawls, kids and teachers are bringing weapons, there are constant fights between students and staff even students and administration, what can you do?

The culture of schools changed drastically over like 40 years or so. School shootings weren't a thing, gang violence, drug dealing, rampant molestation, bullying, teenage pregnancies and child abuse, what do you want?

The only answer is to basically kill schooling. Just end it all, kids can barely read or do math anyway so its ineffective on top of being potentially dangerous but this shit seems to be a uniquely American thing.

 

[Kwan Dai]

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

It's not about being cool or chummy. It's about being fair and compassionate. A negotiation isn't an argument nor is, the a plead for someone to show compassion.

Problem is, the teacher was wrong. Nothing the teacher did in the situation was correct. I repeat a ZERO for participation would have sufficed.

The obligation to be cool isn't there. Im not saying your wrong. But the teacher didnt touch the kid. The teacher gave a directive, the kid refused, the teacher kicked the complaint up the ladder, at that point she surrendered authority to someone else and that continues until this happened.

You don't let students make rules. She broke rules, there are consequences for that. I don't see how having MULTIPLE adults ask you the same thing is being inflexible, if anything it only shows the stubbornness of the child. If your child is being taught not to follow rules or authority other than yours then keep em at home.

Teachers are already too close to just being high paid babysitters. One kid doesn't get to be obstinate and change the power dynamics of the school. No authority means no rules and at that point everybody might as well do what they want to.

You obviously haven't been following the story. If, you are immediately skipping past vital points in the incident. Such, as, the student pleaded and BEGGED the teacher politely to overlook her phone usage as it was only for a moment. The teacher refused so, fuck him and fuck you for being intolerable jackasses unable to overlook a minor offense that didn't interrupt or distract anyone else in the class room.

Thats all well and good but its still rules. An asshole in the right is an asshole in the right.

More importantly this was easily resolved by giving the student a zero for participation. Confiscating her phone, calling an admin, forcing her to leave the class is ALL excessive. But uncreative, lame, teachers only there for a pay check who are more then likely failures at life tend to make issues bigger then they really are.

Again an asshole in the right is an asshole in the right. She can negotiate but as an adult you shouldn't even be arguing with kids, you give a directive and thats it.

I have two HS children both whom excel academically and they do so, because, my wife and I are their true teachers. During their academic career they have maybe had 3 Great teachers who dedicated to GROWING children. The rest were garbage.

I don't know whether the teacher was any good or not but its not relevant anyway. What is relevant is that the teacher gave a directive and the student should have followed it.

Its simple adult-child relationship. Should the teacher have been cool and let it slide? Maybe but she isn't under any obligation to be cool or chummy with kids.

So what happen to calling the parents, detention, suspension & expulsion? We just skip this process in the classroom now? It's just get out or get your ass kicked & go to jail?

Don't forget we're talking about a phone. No violence, no stealing.....a phone.

The rightness or wrongness of the situation isn't up for debate in my opinion. Im against even parents bullying their kids but a level of authority has to be maintained or this whole shit is void.

What is the purpose of having an adult in the room with no authority?

They certainly could have called the parents and it was really the only recourse they had but at the same time if only the parents can control a child then that child needs to be kept at home.

Stop using juvenile words to excuse the inexcusable.

I mentioned nothing about being "COOL".

Fair and compassionate are the proper adjectives. Which, is what the teacher wasn't. While that is, a teachers prerogative to be or not to be. The teachers refusal not to be is what makes the teacher wrong and a just culpable as the officer who overreacted. There were so many avenues that could have been taken to avoid this unfortunate incident. And I would argue many of these avenues are taken with dealing with White students and in Predominately white schools.

"Deeper adjectives"...nigga please we on a message board. Im not writing a scholarly essay on here. Im shooting the shit.

Fairness is asking all the kids to follow the same rules, not letting one kid skirt around them because thats not fair to the others. How can you explain letting her use her phone and not letting the others? The point is nobody was supposed to, that's fair.

The bottom line is, the teacher needs to be empowered as the authority figure in the classroom. Once the teacher is put in the position to surrender authority then its "fuck teachers they cant do shit". The same logic follows up the ladder.

Why would I explain something that didn't occur. Stay on topic buddy.

The teacher was empowered and used his power in an abusive manner.

You can keep playing the town idiot and ignoring multiple solutions that could have been used to handle this situation in way that would punish the student while the teachers ego remained in tact. Your idea of do what I say or get fucked up is, the very reason why there will be fallout and law suits to boot. Which, it should be..

 

[Trillfate]

its funny seeing so called black men ok with some crackerjack assaulting an underage black girl

Conditioning.

When being done wrong by whites becomes the norm niggas not only accept it but they condone it.

 

[numbaz...80's baby]

His pussy ass is fired so that's the end of that. Pigs need to know that they can't do that shit.

 

[Trillfate]

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/659401291991351296

 

[Kwan Dai]

With people wanting metal detectors, video cameras, guns and police in schools it should be no surprise that its been likened to prison.

But at the same time what can you do? Schools are having brawls, kids and teachers are bringing weapons, there are constant fights between students and staff even students and administration, what can you do?

The culture of schools changed drastically over like 40 years or so. School shootings weren't a thing, gang violence, drug dealing, rampant molestation, bullying, teenage pregnancies and child abuse, what do you want?

The only answer is to basically kill schooling. Just end it all, kids can barely read or do math anyway so its ineffective on top of being potentially dangerous but this shit seems to be a uniquely American thing.

Who asked for metal detectors, cameras, and police in schools?

The schools where metal detectors should be they aren't in most cases. Which are predominately white schools where most of not ALL school shootings have occurred.

What you can do is, scrutinize the curriculum. Challenge why predominately Black schools are forced into a box to teach irrelevant courses to students who have no interest in them.

Challenge why vocational programs have been abandoned.

Challenge teachers to have more then a BA to teach. Challenge teachers to actually care about students more so then a pay check.

There are lots of things that can be done. But when it concerns majority Black and Brown kids the attitude is, only the strong the survive.

 

[Already Home_17]

when i was elementary school there was this kid who refused to leave the classroom after the teacher told him to. so they got this teacher from down the hall who was built like a body builder to escort him out. the little nigga still refused so the teacher simply picked him up and carried him out. the kid was kicking and screaming yet nobody was hurt. nobody thought the professor crossed the line. that was the end of it

so for all those who ask "well what else was he supposed to do?', please shut the fuck up. that girl did not deserve to get suplexed out of her chair and thrown across the room like garbage. i understand some force was needed to make her leave. dude was strong enough to manhandle her so he was strong enough to pick her up and carry her out if he wanted to

there's no "yeah he was excessive/abusive but..". naw nigga. no buts. he was out of line. end of story

 

[white sympathizer]

Maybe if these kids had parents that actually did they fucking job, her little ass wouldn't have been acting up in school in the first damn place.

That's the problem with these young niggas nowadays, think because they got a camera on they phone, they get a free pass for not acting like responsible citizens.