Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[Koltrain]

Why is this thread title worded like that? Roland didn't face off with UJ. Is that some sort of clickbait tactic?

Clickbait tactic? Lol, I'm not getting paid to post threads lol... To me, it's roland vs Umar because Roland set Umar up to be "dismantled" by that coon panel. The focus of the interview wasn't to hear Umar out.. It was solely to challenge his views.

 

[bambu]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

alot of red dot indians got PHDs....they hand them shits out like diplomas

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Im propping up no one here, just trying give some understanding. Now the IC was more than willing to separate that black lady cop that was killed from all the crooked cops we hear bout, even while knowing nothing of her conduct on the job. It should be no problem to separate a nigga talking nonsense from the niggas talking with sense. Its what you should do.

And if someone is talking crazy PROVING them wrong should take priority. A conscious person worth their salt doesnt want you to just take their word, they welcome you to do your own research. So argue the information before the messenger. Use evidence, not ego. Cant be dismissing, or accepting, information simply cause it makes you feel a certain way. Unfortunately, i beleive thats what the majority of yall do on here.

Accepting information because it makes you feel a certain way is exactly what people like Umar thrive on. People accepting what they're saying because it connects to an anger and frustration we all feel as black people in this country. They play on that. You can argue both the information and the messenger as both are equally important. You asked "what are they pimping the black community with" and say you don't get the criticism...then talk about separating the people actually speaking truthfully vs those just speaking bullshit. The niggas speaking bullshit is exactly who the criticism is aimed at.

Good breakdown. I always think of these types as either just grossly misinformed/confused and/or ruthless. They prey on the most vulnerable and impressionable. And they use emotion to do it. When you use any critical thinking it doesnt connect. And its easy for some to see through like "Im not going to waste any time on that". It takes a certain type to even follow such unconnected, incomplete, and just nonsensical lines of "reasoning". For instance, dropping out of the political process-common sense says you are depriving yourself of representation and it will go whatever direction others want it to go disregarding your will and wellbeing. Right? quite simple. Its not something you can take "off" it doesnt stop. But they can actually convince some that its worth it, for some theoretical future consideration that may never come to pass, to give up your voice. And what about the effects of the politics that are allowed to transpire in your absence? Doesnt make sense. Thats a losing proposition.

But to me its simple, Pretty quick my b.s. detectors go up even if they say something that makes sense they say a lot that doesnt and it goes somewhere that doesnt make sense and at best these clowns nonsensical ramblings go in the entertainment pile. Which is what they are. Entertainment. Its to sell what they sell to those who they can. Its not about practical reality it doesnt work. You can be conscious and aware but part of that, a big part is actual real life day to day. Its not the extreme forget the society you actually live in for theoreticals that may not actually even exist. When you know the day to day society you live in exists.

@ the bolded

so are we gonna attack the church and feminism and lgth or whatever next?

same shit

 

[Kwan Dai]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

It's been said, over and over that Umar isn't the only Black Man speaking on issues affecting Blacks. And no one is looking to Umar for everything concerning Blacks.

You can do all that without tearing down another Black Man. If, you are doing what you say are then, you should be alot less sensitive, and alot more confident. Umar shouldn't even be on your radar..

 

[Ajackson17]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

Dope!

Will have you as a reference.

 

[bambu]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

It's been said, over and over that Umar isn't the only Black Man speaking on issues affecting Blacks. And no one is looking to Umar for everything concerning Blacks.

You can do all that without tearing down another Black Man. If, you are doing what you say are then, you should be alot less sensitive, and alot more confident. Umar shouldn't even be on your radar..

Me questioning his character is not tearing him down....

I think he is lying about his educational background....

And I feel like if a person would lie about that, then they would lie about any little thing, I.e. being on the phone when it is off....

Umar is addressing my profession....

Why should I not show interest or as you call it be "sensitive"..????

At the end of the day how many "black boys" has umar helped get to college or break the cycle of poverty????

Bambu= 500+

I'm just saying

Action > Talk

 

[Kwan Dai]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

It's been said, over and over that Umar isn't the only Black Man speaking on issues affecting Blacks. And no one is looking to Umar for everything concerning Blacks.

You can do all that without tearing down another Black Man. If, you are doing what you say are then, you should be alot less sensitive, and alot more confident. Umar shouldn't even be on your radar..

Me questioning his character is not tearing him down....

I think he is lying about his educational background....

And I feel like if a person would lie about that, then they would lie about any little thing, I.e. being on the phone when it is off....

Umar is addressing my profession....

Why should I not show interest or as you call it be "sensitive"..????

At the end of the day how many "black boys" has umar helped get to college or break the cycle of poverty????

Bambu= 500+

I'm just saying

Action > Talk

It's a shame with all of the expertise you claim to have you don't think questioning a mans character isn't tearing him down. If, you knew Umar on a personal and\or professional level you wouldn't need to question. You would know firsthand. So, your posts are what I thought, personal, emotional responses, with hint of flexing.

 

[NoCompetition]

Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Im propping up no one here, just trying give some understanding. Now the IC was more than willing to separate that black lady cop that was killed from all the crooked cops we hear bout, even while knowing nothing of her conduct on the job. It should be no problem to separate a nigga talking nonsense from the niggas talking with sense. Its what you should do.

And if someone is talking crazy PROVING them wrong should take priority. A conscious person worth their salt doesnt want you to just take their word, they welcome you to do your own research. So argue the information before the messenger. Use evidence, not ego. Cant be dismissing, or accepting, information simply cause it makes you feel a certain way. Unfortunately, i beleive thats what the majority of yall do on here.

Accepting information because it makes you feel a certain way is exactly what people like Umar thrive on. People accepting what they're saying because it connects to an anger and frustration we all feel as black people in this country. They play on that. You can argue both the information and the messenger as both are equally important. You asked "what are they pimping the black community with" and say you don't get the criticism...then talk about separating the people actually speaking truthfully vs those just speaking bullshit. The niggas speaking bullshit is exactly who the criticism is aimed at.

Good breakdown. I always think of these types as either just grossly misinformed/confused and/or ruthless. They prey on the most vulnerable and impressionable. And they use emotion to do it. When you use any critical thinking it doesnt connect. And its easy for some to see through like "Im not going to waste any time on that". It takes a certain type to even follow such unconnected, incomplete, and just nonsensical lines of "reasoning". For instance, dropping out of the political process-common sense says you are depriving yourself of representation and it will go whatever direction others want it to go disregarding your will and wellbeing. Right? quite simple. Its not something you can take "off" it doesnt stop. But they can actually convince some that its worth it, for some theoretical future consideration that may never come to pass, to give up your voice. And what about the effects of the politics that are allowed to transpire in your absence? Doesnt make sense. Thats a losing proposition.

But to me its simple, Pretty quick my b.s. detectors go up even if they say something that makes sense they say a lot that doesnt and it goes somewhere that doesnt make sense and at best these clowns nonsensical ramblings go in the entertainment pile. Which is what they are. Entertainment. Its to sell what they sell to those who they can. Its not about practical reality it doesnt work. You can be conscious and aware but part of that, a big part is actual real life day to day. Its not the extreme forget the society you actually live in for theoreticals that may not actually even exist. When you know the day to day society you live in exists.

@ the bolded

so are we gonna attack the church and feminism and lgth or whatever next?

same shit

One of the main things that people notice about this dude and his ilk is the lack of practicality. Its like they are speaking from the point of view of some dream world. Disconnected from the day to day implications. Thats why i singled out politics. Each of these other entities you named understands the need to be involved and promote your will politically. A far cry from "give up voting". Its bizarre how disconnected these "youtube..."whatever they are people can be. Makes me wonder who they really work/worked for, besides themselves because their "message" coulod have someone broke, confused, and shut out out of the political process. Its too flawed of an approach with way too many holes and just inaccuracies. Leading nowhere but to their pockets. Also one other point that people are going to need to understand, there is really no "Black agenda" as a monolith. Even that is based on a misguided, dishonest European view that all black people are the same based on skin color. All black people dont even have the same skin color. Black people arent some separate entity thats all the same and thats one of the biggest flaws Umar Johnson has with his rhetoric. It doesnt realistically take into accout living in this society. Its theoretical, at best.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Im propping up no one here, just trying give some understanding. Now the IC was more than willing to separate that black lady cop that was killed from all the crooked cops we hear bout, even while knowing nothing of her conduct on the job. It should be no problem to separate a nigga talking nonsense from the niggas talking with sense. Its what you should do.

And if someone is talking crazy PROVING them wrong should take priority. A conscious person worth their salt doesnt want you to just take their word, they welcome you to do your own research. So argue the information before the messenger. Use evidence, not ego. Cant be dismissing, or accepting, information simply cause it makes you feel a certain way. Unfortunately, i beleive thats what the majority of yall do on here.

Accepting information because it makes you feel a certain way is exactly what people like Umar thrive on. People accepting what they're saying because it connects to an anger and frustration we all feel as black people in this country. They play on that. You can argue both the information and the messenger as both are equally important. You asked "what are they pimping the black community with" and say you don't get the criticism...then talk about separating the people actually speaking truthfully vs those just speaking bullshit. The niggas speaking bullshit is exactly who the criticism is aimed at.

Good breakdown. I always think of these types as either just grossly misinformed/confused and/or ruthless. They prey on the most vulnerable and impressionable. And they use emotion to do it. When you use any critical thinking it doesnt connect. And its easy for some to see through like "Im not going to waste any time on that". It takes a certain type to even follow such unconnected, incomplete, and just nonsensical lines of "reasoning". For instance, dropping out of the political process-common sense says you are depriving yourself of representation and it will go whatever direction others want it to go disregarding your will and wellbeing. Right? quite simple. Its not something you can take "off" it doesnt stop. But they can actually convince some that its worth it, for some theoretical future consideration that may never come to pass, to give up your voice. And what about the effects of the politics that are allowed to transpire in your absence? Doesnt make sense. Thats a losing proposition.

But to me its simple, Pretty quick my b.s. detectors go up even if they say something that makes sense they say a lot that doesnt and it goes somewhere that doesnt make sense and at best these clowns nonsensical ramblings go in the entertainment pile. Which is what they are. Entertainment. Its to sell what they sell to those who they can. Its not about practical reality it doesnt work. You can be conscious and aware but part of that, a big part is actual real life day to day. Its not the extreme forget the society you actually live in for theoreticals that may not actually even exist. When you know the day to day society you live in exists.

@ the bolded

so are we gonna attack the church and feminism and lgth or whatever next?

same shit

One of the main things that people notice about this dude and his ilk is the lack of practicality. Its like they are speaking from the point of view of some dream world. Disconnected from the day to day implications. Thats why i singled out politics. Each of these other entities you named understands the need to be involved and promote your will politically. A far cry from "give up voting". Its bizarre how disconnected these "youtube..."whatever they are people can be. Makes me wonder who they really work/worked for, besides themselves because their "message" coulod have someone broke, confused, and shut out out of the political process. Its too flawed of an approach with way too many holes and just inaccuracies. Leading nowhere but to their pockets. Also one other point that people are going to need to understand, there is really no "Black agenda" as a monolith. Even that is based on a misguided, dishonest European view that all black people are the same based on skin color. All black people dont even have the same skin color. Black people arent some separate entity thats all the same and thats one of the biggest flaws Umar Johnson has with his rhetoric. It doesnt realistically take into accout living in this society. Its theoretical, at best.

you and i know what black people are or are not.

does it change the way or the fact the world sees us in a certain light?

 

[bambu]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

It's been said, over and over that Umar isn't the only Black Man speaking on issues affecting Blacks. And no one is looking to Umar for everything concerning Blacks.

You can do all that without tearing down another Black Man. If, you are doing what you say are then, you should be alot less sensitive, and alot more confident. Umar shouldn't even be on your radar..

Me questioning his character is not tearing him down....

I think he is lying about his educational background....

And I feel like if a person would lie about that, then they would lie about any little thing, I.e. being on the phone when it is off....

Umar is addressing my profession....

Why should I not show interest or as you call it be "sensitive"..????

At the end of the day how many "black boys" has umar helped get to college or break the cycle of poverty????

Bambu= 500+

I'm just saying

Action > Talk

It's a shame with all of the expertise you claim to have you don't think questioning a mans character isn't tearing him down. If, you knew Umar on a personal and\or professional level you wouldn't need to question. You would know firsthand. So, your posts are what I thought, personal, emotional responses, with hint of flexing.

Call it flexing if you want....

However, I work hard at what I do and I am proud of what I do....

No, I dont know umar personally and never brought up his personal information....

Anyone's educational background is, like he said open to the public....

Hell, he invited us (the public) to check...

If I wanted to try to tear him down I would address his own parenting tactics or lack thereof, or the conscious stripper incident, or his own"sensitivity" and use of derogatory terms for black females and for anyone that disagrees with him....

But, I never addressed that personal stuff....

 

[5th Letter]

Some of the most revered black people in history has been questioned and dismissed by other black people at the time when they were putting in work too. This is no different. Inb4 don cumpr Umar 2 non uv dem1!1!1

 

[5th Letter]

If we were living in the 60's niggas would've been like "why should we listen to Malcolm X, he was a criminal he was a pimp, he used to date white women, anybody that listens to him is a sheep, he's a fake Muslim"

 

[Kwan Dai]

If we were living in the 60's niggas would've been like "why should we listen to Malcolm X, he was a criminal he was a pimp, he used to date white women, anybody that listens to him is a sheep, he's a fake Muslim"

Spot on!!

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Umar is a charlatan.....

A lot of people don't care about his credentials and suggest that it doesn't matter....

However, it does matter, especially if you call yourself a Dr....

The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

I do not think that Interracial marriage is a problem in black communities.....

To shit on the work of people in the struggle because their choice of mate is ridiculous.....

And it overshadows any good points that he may otherwise make....

THE ROOT ISNT OWNED BY BLACKS THOUGH SMH CANT TRUST THEM

Doesn't matter who owns the publication....

I have researched myself....

And as an individual in academia, I can tell you that if you put the work in to be called a doctor....

Then you would be happy to show your credentials....

I wish a nigga would ask me about my credentials.....

But it only really matters if you call yourself a doctor....

Especially a doctor of psychology.....

What's your degrees are in? No malice at all. Because I'll use you as a reference for later debates depending on your authority that you have in.

Engineering Design, Anthropology & History

Associates, bachelors & masters

I do not have a PhD...

But if and when I get mine.....

Please believe niggas will address me as Dr. Bambu....

And there would be no questions regarding credentials....

that aint shit,.

i aint got it and these words are strictly for hating purposes.

You are right....

And umar's message doesn't require a PhD....

To me its the fact that he claims one but it cannot be verified....

If he's gonna lie about that, then what else is he lying about....????

You can keep asking lame and speculative questions. While Blacks continue to live with the damaging issues he's openly discussing.

We know he's not lying about the state of Black Men and Women.

He's not lying about racism and bias in education.

He's not lying about the effeminization and suppression of the Black warrior spirit in both Black men and Women.

We know he's not lying about failures present in our current political system\process.

Etc

etc

etc.

And he is not the only one out here talking about it......

There are countless professional black school psychologists, I work with several.....

That not only talk about these issues, they are working to address them.....

He talks about a black school, but we have them all across America....

I work in one....

Underfunded and in need of black professionals.....

I feel him about wanting to own a private school, but that would only reach a handful of students...

If he were authentic, he would try to reach the masses....

And address the "systematic" issues of racism and oppression....

To each his own.....

But if I wanted to support the education of "black boys"...

I would shop with a real professional like Geoff Canada or somebody that is about action, instead of just talking......
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/harlem-chi...tionizes-education-creating/story?id=11719995

It's been said, over and over that Umar isn't the only Black Man speaking on issues affecting Blacks. And no one is looking to Umar for everything concerning Blacks.

You can do all that without tearing down another Black Man. If, you are doing what you say are then, you should be alot less sensitive, and alot more confident. Umar shouldn't even be on your radar..

Me questioning his character is not tearing him down....

I think he is lying about his educational background....

And I feel like if a person would lie about that, then they would lie about any little thing, I.e. being on the phone when it is off....

Umar is addressing my profession....

Why should I not show interest or as you call it be "sensitive"..????

At the end of the day how many "black boys" has umar helped get to college or break the cycle of poverty????

Bambu= 500+

I'm just saying

Action > Talk

It's a shame with all of the expertise you claim to have you don't think questioning a mans character isn't tearing him down. If, you knew Umar on a personal and\or professional level you wouldn't need to question. You would know firsthand. So, your posts are what I thought, personal, emotional responses, with hint of flexing.

Call it flexing if you want....

However, I work hard at what I do and I am proud of what I do....

No, I dont know umar personally and never brought up his personal information....

Anyone's educational background is, like he said open to the public....

Hell, he invited us (the public) to check...

If I wanted to try to tear him down I would address his own parenting tactics or lack thereof, or the conscious stripper incident, or his own"sensitivity" and use of derogatory terms for black females and for anyone that disagrees with him....

But, I never addressed that personal stuff....

ok...damn it...this has been said before...imma look up this stripper and parenting shit

 

[NoCompetition]

Inaccuracies and nonsense is just that. Just because a Black man says them doesnt change that fact. Same with the truth and reality. But been an interesting thread. I like how in depth numerous posters went to expose these types. Made me analyze a little more. I just knew what my common sense told me but the breakdowns have been nice. Lot of holes and flaws and even some I didnt necessarily think of. I dont really fool with these youtube types but I have seen a little. I just peep it for what it is. Im not in their demographic of "marks" you cant just give me any ole thing but its good of the ones who can see the issues to point em out to the uninformed. They are being exposed to a wider more critical thought process even if they dont want to accept it. Kind of hard to stay ignorant when light has been shown. At least a little bit of "look wider" has been introduced so its been a good thread ts.

 

[Mister B.]

Why is this thread title worded like that? Roland didn't face off with UJ. Is that some sort of clickbait tactic?

Clickbait tactic? Lol, I'm not getting paid to post threads lol... To me, it's roland vs Umar because Roland set Umar up to be "dismantled" by that coon panel. The focus of the interview wasn't to hear Umar out.. It was solely to challenge his views.

Saying it was Roland vs Umar is misleading the truth, tho. His debate was with Roland's panelists. Roland only mediated and stepped in when the word "coon" got thrown around by UJ.

The title doesn't tell the right story, and makes it seem like a shock tactic.

 

[Cabana_Da_Don]

I just like Umar´s personality.Fuck the rest.

 

[Koltrain]

Why is this thread title worded like that? Roland didn't face off with UJ. Is that some sort of clickbait tactic?

Clickbait tactic? Lol, I'm not getting paid to post threads lol... To me, it's roland vs Umar because Roland set Umar up to be "dismantled" by that coon panel. The focus of the interview wasn't to hear Umar out.. It was solely to challenge his views.

Saying it was Roland vs Umar is misleading the truth, tho. His debate was with Roland's panelists. Roland only mediated and stepped in when the word "coon" got thrown around by UJ.

The title doesn't tell the right story, and makes it seem like a shock tactic.

Who's show is it?

 

[Mister B.]

Why is this thread title worded like that? Roland didn't face off with UJ. Is that some sort of clickbait tactic?

Clickbait tactic? Lol, I'm not getting paid to post threads lol... To me, it's roland vs Umar because Roland set Umar up to be "dismantled" by that coon panel. The focus of the interview wasn't to hear Umar out.. It was solely to challenge his views.

Saying it was Roland vs Umar is misleading the truth, tho. His debate was with Roland's panelists. Roland only mediated and stepped in when the word "coon" got thrown around by UJ.

The title doesn't tell the right story, and makes it seem like a shock tactic.

Who's show is it?

Who was UJ mostly referring to? Whose show it actually is as is irrelevant. He could've did that shit on Bill Maher's show for all it matters.