Rewriting Evolution ~ Darwin was wrong

[DNB1]

havent read this thread, just wondered, and excuse my ignorance...but how does a muslim believe in evolution and Allah at the same damn time?

@Kai

how are the two mutually exclusive?

evolution doesn't explain the origin of life it explains how life changes once it is here. pretty easy to believe in both for me

I mean, if you believe in evolution you believe in the big bang theory and there being no God, right?

Or do you believe in God that created life to evolve naturally?

 

[Drew_Ali]

Good questions brother.......

God created man in his own image..................

 

[Bodhi]

Oh yeah where did the first atom even come from? It just popped out of thin air and exploded? Lol. Evolution, natural selection, Big Bang got more holes in it than Swiss cheese. The pride of man really brings them down to a low level of being and thinking. Tragic.

Atoms are composed of electrons, then protons and neutrons which break up into quarks and gluons.

Subatomic particles come into existence at the planck scale from quantum space time turbulence. There, energy is allowed to decay into subatomic particles.

Your move.

 

[Drew_Ali]

havent read this thread, just wondered, and excuse my ignorance...but how does a muslim believe in evolution and Allah at the same damn time?

@Kai

how are the two mutually exclusive?

evolution doesn't explain the origin of life it explains how life changes once it is here. pretty easy to believe in both for me

I mean, if you believe in evolution you believe in the big bang theoryand there being no God, right?

Or do you believe in God that created life to evolve naturally?

basically at the bolded

Really.......

Islam shares the creation myth of Judaism and Christianity, spaced out over six periods. The Islamic creation account, like the Hebrew one, involves Adam and Eve as the first parents, living in paradise. As in the Hebrew story, God warns Adam and Eve not to eat fruit from a certain tree, but they do anyway, earning expulsion from Paradise.

 

[Bodhi]

"For much of the past 150 years, biology has largely concerned itself

with filling in the details of the tree. "For a long time the holy

grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an

evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in

Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was

within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces

by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that

the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no

evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste.

That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of

biology needs to change."
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

This was explained here:

If you would have continued reading the article in New Science, you would know that the writer expresses his belief that the tree should be swapped for the image of a web to explain evolution.

It is not to say that evolution is false but that evolution has to be depicted in another way other than a tree.

Read here..

From tree to web

As it became clear that HGT was a major factor, biologists started

to realise the implications for the tree concept. As early as 1993,

some were proposing that for bacteria and archaea the tree of life

was more like a web.
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

Why a "web" as opposed to a "tree"?

Darwin assumed

that descent was exclusively "vertical", with organisms passing

traits down to their offspring. But what if species also routinely

swapped genetic material with other species, or hybridised with

them? Then that neat branching pattern would quickly degenerate into

an impenetrable thicket of interrelatedness, with species being

closely related in some respects but not others.

We now know that this is exactly what happens. As more and more

genes were sequenced, it became clear that the patterns of

relatedness could only be explained if bacteria and archaea were

routinely swapping genetic material with other species--often

across huge taxonomic distances--in a process called horizontal

gene transfer (HGT).
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

 

[ohhhla]

LOL. @VIBE you a hoe

ohhhla you just a dumb nigga

Anyone who doesn't accept Evolution.

Might as well say Slavery doesn't exist.

 

[Drew_Ali]

@kai......

Hey I'm not going literal....

As a matter of fact I am not even debating from a religious standpoint..........

I provided new scientific evidence that has been ignored..........

However.....

You could illuminate the Muslim creation story & how it includes the theory of evolution.?.?.?.?

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

I don't want to get embarrassed......

11:7

Sahih International

And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."

 

[Drew_Ali]

"For much of the past 150 years, biology has largely concerned itself

with filling in the details of the tree. "For a long time the holy

grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an

evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in

Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was

within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces

by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that

the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no

evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste.

That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of

biology needs to change."
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

This was explained here:

If you would have continued reading the article in New Science, you would know that the writer expresses his belief that the tree should be swapped for the image of a web to explain evolution.

It is not to say that evolution is false but that evolution has to be depicted in another way other than a tree.

Read here..

From tree to web

As it became clear that HGT was a major factor, biologists started

to realise the implications for the tree concept. As early as 1993,

some were proposing that for bacteria and archaea the tree of life

was more like a web.
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

Why a "web" as opposed to a "tree"?

Darwin assumed

that descent was exclusively "vertical", with organisms passing

traits down to their offspring. But what if species also routinely

swapped genetic material with other species, or hybridised with

them? Then that neat branching pattern would quickly degenerate into

an impenetrable thicket of interrelatedness, with species being

closely related in some respects but not others.

We now know that this is exactly what happens. As more and more

genes were sequenced, it became clear that the patterns of

relatedness could only be explained if bacteria and archaea were

routinely swapping genetic material with other species--often

across huge taxonomic distances--in a process called horizontal

gene transfer (HGT).
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

Exactly.......

A "web of life".......

Which differs from a "tree of life".......

By eliminating "common ancestors".......

Ironic that Darwin's destruction comes from @Oceanic biology...........

 

[ohhhla]

Can you explain the anatomy comparison of Lizard and Snakes???

Why the hell do flightless birds and human males with nipples exist???

 

[Drew_Ali]

Can you explain the anatomy comparison of Lizard and Snakes???

Why the hell do flightless birds and human males with nipples exist???

Go back to the Anti-Creationists thread with all that shit...............

 

[Bodhi]

Exactly.......

A "web of life".......

Which differs from a "tree of life".......

By eliminating "common ancestors".......

Ironic that Darwin's destruction comes from @Oceanic biology...........

Show me how the common ancestor theory was abandoned.

It seems that the tree concept is to be abandoned and replaced with the web concept while evolutionary theory still stands; just re-worked.

 

[ohhhla]

Can you explain the anatomy comparison of Lizard and Snakes???

Why the hell do flightless birds and human males with nipples exist???

Go back to the Anti-Creationists thread with all that shit...............

It seems you're right and all the respectable Scientists are wrong.

Now, explain this

And how humans were created out of dirt.

 

[DMTxTHC]

Interesting..

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

I don't want to get embarrassed......

11:7

Sahih International

And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."

i blame translations, cuz they can be misleading, the word ayyama does not mean day in th literal sense, it means stage or phase

Yes........

Translations are always posing problems with interpretations........

Any known problems surrounding the meaning of creation/إخلق ??????????????

23:14

Sahih International

Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

 

[Drew_Ali]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

I don't want to get embarrassed......

11:7

Sahih International

And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."

i blame translations, cuz they can be misleading, the word ayyama does not mean day in th literal sense, it means stage or phase

Yes........

Translations are always posing problems with interpretations........

Any known problems surrounding the meaning of creation/إخلق ??????????????

23:14

Sahih International

Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

that verse is about embryonic development, what's your point

blessed is Allah , the best of creators.....................

 

[Drew_Ali]

Exactly.......

A "web of life".......

Which differs from a "tree of life".......

By eliminating "common ancestors".......

Ironic that Darwin's destruction comes from @Oceanic biology...........

Show me how the common ancestor theory was abandoned.

It seems that the tree concept is to be abandoned and replaced with the web concept while evolutionary theory still stands; just re-worked.

It is only 2 mins.........

 

[Drew_Ali]

Sahih International 41:9

Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

 

[Chi Snow]

I come across a lot of threads that I don't give a fuck about and this has now topped my list

no offense TS